The things I want to know:
- Is that car our horse in this game?
- Do we have to be the protagonist in the trailer? Will we have a customisable character?
- Will there be good humour like there was in the Witcher 3?
There are lots of cyber games around, but there’s not a lot of punk in those games. We want to put more punk into ours. We do not want to make a dark and hopeless world. We are not doing Blade Runner. It will be full of rock and roll.
Thanks for the old article, xool. If that was really their intention, that first trailer from years ago completely missed the memo, then.
I criticize CD Projekt on what they show, not on what might hypothetically be.
It's necessary to point out things one's dissatisfied with during development, giving the developer time to deal with the feedback.
If CD projekt fails at showing a good cyberpunk representation, then it's necessary to point out. It's on them to show us something that stands out, but if people get a vibe closer to other either contemporal or just cartoony games.
It's easy to go "it's not this, it's not this", but then the question suddenly comes up: "what is it then? Is it even cyberpunk as we care for anymore?"
An 80's inspired retro-future over a GTA-esque world is exactly what some of us were hoping for.
You wouldn't believe me if I told you...
Except you are judging them on what they are not making. This is NOT Blade Runner. This is CYBERPUNK. How many times i need to say this. If you look for Blade Runner in C2077 then you should look elsewhere because C2077 IS NOT Blade Runner. It is entirely different lore, some concepts are similar but other are not like lack much less noir.
Cyberpunk is more about Cyber and Punk than Dysktopia and Noir like in Blade Runner. And PUNK part is probably much more important than Cyber part.
It is about "living on the edge" not about downfall of humanity.
It is about party, drugs, party, guns, party, sex, party, kill.
It is much more like Clockwork Orange than Blade Runner.
Criticism is only valid when criticism itself is valid.
Some of this reaction reminds me of the Diablo 3 reveal - "Too many rainbows" and "Diablo: My Little Pony Edition"
They put neon lighting in their demo, they're paying the price.
Thank you.I don't mean to be rude, but its clear a lot of people don't know shit about cyberpunk outside of blade runner.
Guys, the sun is allowed to exist. It's not that big a deal.
cyberpunk
noun
- a genre of science fiction that features rebellious computer hackers and is set in a dystopian society integrated by computer networks
How about you look at the source material instead?Or to even take the dictionary definition:
cyberpunk
Man you really are dense like pound of lead.
Cyberpunk is not name of genre but name of PnP setting. This is the context i am using.
So again maybe instead of posting another dumb wikipedia entry maybe type in google "Cyberpunk2020 sourcebook" and start to read it.
After you read it go back here and then try to criticize things. At least then people would take you seriously.
Cyberpunk is not "retro inspired" it is literally made in 80 and whole concept is based on 80' era of Punk. 2077 only refreshes some of the things that were very dated and would look super weird. Like brick phones with max 12 contacts and moves lore forward.
I doubt dude even knows 2020 PnP lore and setting if he said this.
Is it baffling that five years ago they've made it clear what they are going to do, and why it's not gonna be another Blade Runner? You can only blame yourself for having different expectations based on different source material.
Except Cyberpunk is a subgenre, which is the expectation people have and it predates Cyberpunk 2020 setting.
To be fair, given the IP uses a term that has a broader cultural connotation far beyond the reach of the PnP audience it's pretty understandable that there's a lot of confusion.
To be fair, given the IP uses a term that has a broader cultural connotation far beyond the reach of the PnP audience it's pretty understandable that there's a lot of confusion.
For me, Cyberpunk is not about the setting, but about the themes and in that regard, the trailer delivered plenty. It's about the interfacing between man and machine and the loss of humanity (cyber). It's about corporate dehumanization and the resulting degradation of civil society through the rise of anarchism (punk). Mix these two themes together and you get a situation in which deep questions about the human condition can arise. That's what I tried to show with the images that I took from the trailer, each and every one of them represents themes that are true to the cyberpunk genre.
Looking back at the old trailer, they changed from ultra realistic look to the characters to something that looks a bit more of a carcature? Maybe for performance sake?
I mean, that teaser trailer was really insane looking CG. It's probably too much to expect the game to look like that.
I think that certain people can't get over their own expectations of what cyberpunk should look like. For them, cyberpunk is basically Blade Runner and I can't blame them, because it was a genre defining movie. But not everything cyberpunk must take place in a post-apocalyptic polluted sh*thole where the sun never shines. Lots of movies tried to replicate the aesthetics of Blade Runner, but ultimately failed because they didn't reach the same thematic depths.
I think the problem arises because people tend to confuse setting with theme. If I'd be to judge The Witcher solely based on its setting, it's just another medieval fantasy. But it's not the setting that makes the Witcher games so amazing, but the themes that are presented within and that's where CD Projekt Red truly shines.
For me, Cyberpunk is not about the setting, but about the themes and in that regard, the trailer delivered plenty. It's about the interfacing between man and machine and the loss of humanity (cyber). It's about corporate dehumanization and the resulting degradation of civil society through the rise of anarchism (punk). Mix these two themes together and you get a situation in which deep questions about the human condition can arise. That's what I tried to show with the images that I took from the trailer, each and every one of them represents themes that are true to the cyberpunk genre.
When it comes to these themes and the stories that can be built around that, I have no doubt CD Projekt Red can deliver, considering their track record.
TRIGGER WARNING:
I just got word that the game is locked into a permanent daylight cycle and the weather never changes, therefore no rain. Also, this game, which nobody here has played yet and is being made by a well known Action RPG developer, most definitely plays like a GTA clone, including the parody humour. Might have a bit of Fortnite and Overwatch in there too. And don’t forget Battle Royale.
You have been warned.
You wouldn't believe me if I told you...
Omg, LMAO!
Yeah, you should edit the wikipedia entry for cyberpunk (genre) then, remove the bladerunner references and add some punkies in the sun pictures. It seems like they got it all wrong.Except you are judging them on what they are not making. This is NOT Blade Runner. This is CYBERPUNK. How many times i need to say this. If you look for Blade Runner in C2077 then you should look elsewhere because C2077 IS NOT Blade Runner. It is entirely different lore, some concepts are similar but other are not like lack much less noir.
Cyberpunk is more about Cyber and Punk than Dysktopia and Noir like in Blade Runner. And PUNK part is probably much more important than Cyber part.
It is about "living on the edge" not about downfall of humanity.
It is about party, drugs, party, guns, party, sex, party, kill.
It is much more like Clockwork Orange than Blade Runner.
Criticism is only valid when criticism itself is valid. You do not understand Cyberpunk setting and lore which means your point is invalid.
Maybe instead of talking like that look up first what Cyberpunk 2020 is and then start to talk.
Yeah, you should edit the wikipedia entry for cyberpunk (genre) then, remove the bladerunner references and add some punkies in the sun pictures. It seems like they got it all wrong.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberpunk
It was you who mentioned "cyberpunk genre" in your post.Oh yes because Wikipedia describes what something is or isn't.
Do you understand difference between genre and precise setting or you are just another pound of lead ?
It was you who mentioned "cyberpunk genre" in your post.
Also, William Gibson had this to say about the trailer:
"The trailer for Cyberpunk 2077 strikes me as GTA skinned-over with a generic 80s retro-future, but hey, that's just me"
All I am saying is that there are many of us that expected something different from the game. That doesn't make anybody right or wrong. You might like it for all the right reasons, but there are also plenty of reasons for criticism.
Peace.
Yeah, or as they also said:Just reading some old articles :
from https://gamerant.com/cyberpunk-2077-story-customization-blade-runner/
Punk confirmed, Grimdark confirmed absent..