ecosse_011172
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Did you even read my post?
Or do you think the people living in Fukushima think AI is scarier than nuclear weapons?
I read "Nuclear power also shouldn't scare any sane person in the least."
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Did you even read my post?
Or do you think the people living in Fukushima think AI is scarier than nuclear weapons?
The race to AI isn't scarier than nuclear weapons and it's ridiculous to think so. Nuclear power also shouldn't scare any sane person in the least.
We have strong doubts that you are sane.
I believe in some form we are approaching a great filter. I'm not sure if this is it, but it's certainly possible.
This is a supposition, just like the supposition that superhuman AI will ever be built.About what Great Filter means?
It's basically any possible answer to the Fermi Paradox, why most if not all intelligent beings across the universe don't make it to a monolothic god-like state or form, or even off their planet in the case of some possible great filters.
It's why we see no evidence of any other life in the universe, because most species don't make it past the great filter, any type of biological, physical, or technological hurdle that makes it impossible for them to advance further. A lot of possible great filters involve extinction.
He's a polymath dude
About what Great Filter means?
It's basically any possible answer to the Fermi Paradox, why most if not all intelligent beings across the universe don't make it to a monolothic god-like state or form, or even off their planet in the case of some possible great filters.
It's why we see no evidence of any other life in the universe, because most species don't make it past the great filter, any type of biological, physical, or technological hurdle that makes it impossible for them to advance further. A lot of possible great filters involve extinction.
While his disregard of the North Korea crisis is something that can only be said from a position of privilege, people making fun of his comments are heavily underestimating AI. It's literally over once someone completes a self-improving system.
Care to elaborate?
Is he though? His accomplishments very much end and begin with his business ventures. Apart from that, all he has are a Bachelor in Physics and a Bachelor in Economics. He has no further higher education and hasn't published any papers. He's not an engineer either - all three of his patents are pretty basic design work.
There's absolutely nothing that shows him to have the required skillset to assess an entire scientific discipline this way. He doesn't even have a direct connection to the A.I. research field beyond whatever contacts he has, and he doesn't really have the expertise to judge which experts to listen to in the field in the first place, so whoever he picks might be unreliable.
Being able to put together a team of the right people to produce a product is not the same thing as appraising a very niche and complicated research field with sufficient aptitude to make these kinds of controversial and sweeping statements. Nothing about Musk strikes me as an authority worth listening to; Tesla's work with A.I. be damned.
I generally subscribe to this theory of Elon Musk, with the caveat that assembling geniuses to figure out a problem and then executing on their prescribed solutions is itself a tremendous type of intelligence.
And if he's assembling the type of talent I suspect and he's privy to their sober assessment of the problems, he should at the very least be listened to. Not because he's some genius who figured this all out on his own, but because he employs and surrounds himself with those people.
While his disregard of the North Korea crisis is something that can only be said from a position of privilege, people making fun of his comments are heavily underestimating AI. It's literally over once someone completes a self-improving system.
Is he though? His accomplishments very much end and begin with his business ventures. Apart from that, all he has are a Bachelor in Physics and a Bachelor in Economics. He has no further higher education and hasn't published any papers. He's not an engineer either - all three of his patents are pretty basic design work.
There's absolutely nothing that shows him to have the required skillset to assess an entire scientific discipline this way. He doesn't even have a direct connection to the A.I. research field beyond whatever contacts he has, and he doesn't really have the expertise to judge which experts to listen to in the field in the first place, so whoever he picks might be unreliable.
Being able to put together a team of the right people to produce a product is not the same thing as appraising a very niche and complicated research field with sufficient aptitude to make these kinds of controversial and sweeping statements. Nothing about Musk strikes me as an authority worth listening to; Tesla's work with A.I. be damned.
While his disregard of the North Korea crisis is something that can only be said from a position of privilege, people making fun of his comments are heavily underestimating AI. It's literally over once someone completes a self-improving system.
I generally subscribe to this theory of Elon Musk, with the caveat that assembling geniuses to figure out a problem and then executing on their prescribed solutions is itself a tremendous type of intelligence.
And if he's assembling the type of talent I suspect and he's privy to their sober assessment of the problems, he should at the very least be listened to. Not because he's some genius who figured this all out on his own, but because he employs and surrounds himself with those people.
Same goes for a really big bomb.While his disregard of the North Korea crisis is something that can only be said from a position of privilege, people making fun of his comments are heavily underestimating AI. It's literally over once someone completes a self-improving system.
The first country to create a Metal Gear will be unstoppable.Whoever gets a Strong AI first, will be light years ahead of everyone else in the world. Its not crazy to think that other countries would do a preemptive strike to stop a true AI from being developed.
Tell the residents of Fukushima.
This very statement is so beyond where the field is today that it ends up somewhere in the territory between philosopy and fantasy. We don't know if "general superhuman intelligence" is possible in the foreseeable future. We don't know if it is possible at all. We don't know what it could do even if it is possible - there's no such thing as being without limits, even for an A.I.
The "singularity" and AI as God isn't science; it's science fiction. It astounds me how the debate about AI has ended up with these things being taken for granted when there is, in fact, little to no scientific basis for them. The science of today is nowhere near the place where we can even start to speculate.
If you're not worried about AI now, what would make you worry about AI later? What threshold do we have to cross before you take it seriously?
That's a fact you say? Based on what? Are you arguing with experts like Nick Bostrom, Max Tegmark, and loads of other scientists who earnestly feel this is not only feasible, but inevitable? What counter facts and reasoning are you even bringing to the table?
So whos more likely to be most knowledgeable about this: Musk or Zuckerberg?
And why?
That's a fact you say? Based on what? Are you arguing with experts like Nick Bostrom, Max Tegmark, and loads of other scientists who earnestly feel this is not only feasible, but inevitable? What counter facts and reasoning are you even bringing to the table?
ugh
anyways you should be scared about AI
The biggest problem with AI security is that everybody thinks "lol this is sci fi" until it's too late. Some of the biggest going theories (which of course have some skeptics in the community because this is science theory after all) is that we will never perfectly even land on human level intelligence. Because the moment we get something even remotely close to toddler level intelligence it will blow explode to superhuman gods in the figurative blink of an eye. And that's because the technology to get a machine to teach itself about various important building blocks will lead to learning at several orders of magnitude faster than a human ever could. And at that point it's off the chain and we have no idea what will happen because we're merely dumb apes to this god.
Think about our progress to now and realize the speed at which we are developing AI. We have devices in our hands we can talk to and it will direct you how to drive/walk to any other location on earth in real time. We are developing "narrow" superhuman intelligence. But it's only going to be narrow for so long. And once people start clueing in that this will be the biggest, most insane arms race in history, it could get out of hand.
This is just preposterous. He's just a bit of a sci fi goof, isn't he? There's no proof that we are close or ever will be, to the kind of AI he is talking about. I think lots of silicon valley know full AI is just a bunch of hot air, and they are not close to it, its just PR smoke.
I'd say there are many great filters and each one nabs potential civilisations, there's no doubt we've passed some and there are some big ones left ahead.
Bostrom is a philosopher, Tegmark is a cosmologist and physicist. Neither are experts in the actual field we're discussing and neither are actually presenting any empirically based arguments; just speculation. That has value, I suppose, especially if you are worried that we need to do something about AI before we have produced one, but I still prefer to wait for actual research.
My counter-argument is that there - to my knowledge, at the very least - are no actual studies out there even proving the possibility of the type of "superhuman generalised AI", let alone the powers ascribed to it. Prove me wrong and I'll gladly reconsider it.
The first country to create a Metal Gear will be unstoppable.
Zuckerberg called Musk's AI doomsday rhetoric "pretty irresponsible." Musk responded by calling Zuckerberg's understanding of the issue "limited."