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Engadget: Xbox is poised to dominate the next console generation
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1inthechamber_
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All this mumble jumble to sound like he knows what he's talking about lol.
The X shits on the Pro in every df video. Lolcheckerboarding
Unless Sony grows massively, I don't see them competing and surviving for another decade, not with Microsoft and Amazon/Google looking to get into the business. Sony doesn't have the resources, they're an ancient company in all areas outside of gaming and that's what will be their downfall.
Microsoft will never drop Xbox, the OG Xbox sold under 25m units, they kept on trucking. RROD fiasco, they kept moving. XB1 PR debacle and overall failure, they held on. Now with Microsoft investing heavily and Phil as the leader, things can only go up for Xbox. I know some people want Microsoft to leave the industry and for Sony to have a stranglehold and monopoly on the market but that's never going to happen. Quite the opposite actually.
People shouldn't be opposed to Microsoft acquiring Sony, it will end the console wars. We can all be friends. Marcus Fenix will have casual drinks with Kratos and reminisce about their younger days. Nathan Drake will play golf with Master Chief. Ellie will ride in a sexy Forza car.
It's a win-win. The real enemy is Google and Amazon, you thought Microsoft was bad, just wait until you see the shit they pull. You'll be begging Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo to join forces.
It's a win-win. The real enemy is Google and Amazon, you thought Microsoft was bad, just wait until you see the shit they pull. You'll be begging Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo to join forces.
thelastword
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Tech, facts and numbers means nothing to you, but of course "X shits on PS4" is more your alley and what you prefer to spout.....That's fine, to each his own.....I'd rather tech, facts and numbers myself.....but carry onnnnn.. Where " XBOX would shit on PS4 in 2013 with direct X and power of the cloud" and "X will shit on PS5 in 2020 with X-Cloud, Compulsion Games, Undead Labs et al"All this mumble jumble to sound like he knows what he's talking about lol.
The X shits on the Pro in every df video. Lolcheckerboarding
You live in the promise world and dream of a rainbow-land.....I prefer to live in reality myself...
kevin_trinh
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err not this shit again? How many fortune teller we have here? Its make me think about the Nintendo is doom from...err 10 years ago?
1 advice for you, just remember Ps4: 86m +, Xboxdone: 40m +, take it to your heart and go to sleep man
HeresJohnny
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I think most of us just want them to suck less and have grown tired of hearing talk and no or shit results. Their answer to win everyone back was to acquire a few studios and release a $500 machine, which is exactly what got them fucked up to begin with. They think this shit is like baking a cake or something... add 1 cup of developer X and a tablespoon of exclusive content, and whatever. If this shit were that easy everyone would be doing it. Microsoft needs to prove to the world that they have the capability to be something other than a second of third place finisher in the console space, which they've never done before, and unlike this folly-filled article, they've never been further away from that goal. More has to happen besides talk. I hear people excited and what do you have to look forward to in 2019 aside from a Crackdown 3 and Ori? Apologists say, "we'll, they're already focusing on next gen." Bullshit. They've been pulling this same shit for the last few years (which for some odd reason is when most of the people in this thread think they started to turn it around) and the Xbox fans just keep opening up wide for another shit sandwich while being told it's pate. It doesn't make me mad, I just find it immensely fucking baffling. You'd think they'd be pissed by now, but they're still fine buying more expensive hardware with no games to play on it.
Nemesis Prime
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Sorry but I fail to understand what you are saying here. All people are not like you, your decisions are yours, and yes there will be many who will think similar to you, there will also be many who think otherwise.
I have a competent gaming PC but I'm still going to buy the Xbox. There are hundreds of reasons for someone to own an Xbox outside of exclusives, from friends, to the eco system, to the familiarity, brand loyalty, the experience, the hardware blah blah
I dont get the point that exclusives are the only reason someone would choose a different console, for some it may, for some it may not.
You see this is what we call fear ladies and gentlemen. In 10-15 years time, Sony will be a company you refer to in the past tense. Microsoft will have the globe including Europe and Japan under their wing with the Xbox brand. PlayStation is on the up-up but Sony as a company is dying, that's the cold hard truth.
Enjoy while it lasts PS fans but soon Xbox will be the default worldwide brand simply due to MS' strength as a company. Sony will be dead, Playstation will be in someone else's hands.
HeresJohnny
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I have an Xbox dude, is it that hard to believe that some of us are fucking tired of hearing all these great promises and not seeing results? You call it fear, I call it reality.
Xbox does have games, thousands of them. Do you simply not know how to navigate the Xbox store?
Let me show you:
1. Press the power button on your X1 (it's the big white Xbox icon you can't miss it)
2. The Xbox home comes up, press RB until you reach the tab entitled STORE.
3. Browse the games section and buy what you like, this is assuming you have the money.
It's really that simple Johnny boy.
HeresJohnny
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Serious question. Do you really believe Microsoft has delivered on exclusive content this generation? Can you keep a straight face and type that? I was a HUGE fan of the 360 but this system has been such a fucking mess and hasn't delivered on so many levels. I find it baffling that people can sit here and try to defend it, let alone trying to say it's the first move towards dominating the market like that ridiculous fucking article.
ViceGrity2000
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Did you miss the part where I said Xbox One was a failure? Did you even read my posts before replying?
That doesn't detract from the fact Xbox One still has high western third party support unlike the Nintendo Switch and thousands of games as a result. If you think buying studios is a promise, I do have to question your intelligence (or lack thereof).
ViceGrity2000
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You do realize that just that, your point, could be said the same for your post, just in reverse and opposite.
JareBear: Remastered
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I'm honestly just not convinced this is true
ViceGrity2000
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octiny
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"I still don't think anyone believes the 1X provides superior super sampling image quality on a 1080p HDTV over the PS Pro." Do you even know what super-sampling is? All X patched games higher resolution than it's PS4 Pro counterpart. Thus, when it gets played on a 1080P tv, it's able to SUPER-SAMPLE down much better as it's original starting resolution is a lot higher. The difference is quite notable, especially when you start getting to larger 1080P TV's due to it's AA like quality. Trying to downplay it's advantage is extremely disingenuous. Just like setting recent BF game on PC from 120% SS to say 180% SS, the difference is extremely noticeable. You're essentially arguing that water isn't wet. X has superior super-sampling for 1080P & even 1440P monitors, this is just a technical fact through & out. Your opinion has no merit & would get crapped on in a more technical PC forum.
I lol'd at this "because its claim as the most powerful console ever made, comes with a huge astrik and caveat, it requires the purchase of an additional expensive TV to realize". Welcome to the 20th century, where all tech evolves at a different pace. You literally could've said the same thing for PS4 Pro w/ HDR, sheesh they pushed HDR marketing so hard for it. Just like to add, Pro was a complete failure with it's game patch *adoption* rate until X hit the market. Competition is good.
Furthermore, I think you fail to realize the X has almost exclusively been MS's best selling SKU for quite a few months now. Moreover, someone buying an X has/is/was already going to purchase/purchased a 4K TV, while the minority is perfectly content with having superior SS over the PS4 Pro on their 1080p TV, or simply keeping their OG/S while they wait for next-gen. This is on top of the extra visual additions outside of resolution some X patched games receive over it's PS4 Pro counterpart. You just sound another bitter person who's on the receiving end of inferior ports.
"If Xbox/Microsoft bought Sony, it wouldn't sell me on Xbox's. I would just quit gaming minus Nintendo and retro PlayStation consoles. Xbox can't sell me by buying thier competitors." Something tells me you don't know how the corporate world works. Big fish eats small fish, shark eats big fish. Sony is only worth 62 billion compared to MS's 750+ billion & growing, the richest company in the world as of today. With saying that, neither company got to where their at without buying up and/or screwing over smaller companies in the same competing fields.
The amount of revenue MS's game division brings in from a widely underperforming Xbox generation is ten fold & continues to increase every year. They could sell just 10 million consoles & still bring in a massive net profit due to Xbox Live, Game Pass & it's entire ecosystem on multiple devices. Nevertheless, theoretically, if MS was actually losing money in it's Game Division, again, the amount of people they bring in to the entire ecosystem offsets any negative losses (common ploy around big businesses with multiple aspects/products to their portfolio). It almost seems as it makes people mad that MS is still so successful as PS4 dominates hardware sales.
On another note. I'd just like to point out, again, there's become a real disdain for Xbox on this particular forum. Even Reset Era can appreciate what MS is doing as a whole lately. It just baffles my mind seeing some of the posts I see on GAF, regurgitating same ol' points left & right. UnIntelligent posting should be left to Gamefaqs.
ViceGrity2000
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@ Octiny, I'm not quoting your wall of text.
The 1X and Pro super sampled games like exactly the same and equal to my eyes when I look at them.
There is no difference beyond Xbox mumbo jumbo.
The 1X and Pro super sampled games like exactly the same and equal to my eyes when I look at them.
There is no difference beyond Xbox mumbo jumbo.
kevin_trinh
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ok ok, please give us some advice about the world economy in the next 10-15 years too, thank you so much savior
octiny
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I think you should just quit gaming now because that's what's going to happen, like it or not.
ViceGrity2000
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I looked at it. Side by side. The 1X and Pro super sampling on a 1080p HDTV looked EXACTLY THE SAME.
Lort
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A) technically it will be different and checkbox artifacts will render pixels incorrectly.
B) true traditional oversampling requires signicifantly more pixels to downsample from, ie at minimum 4k to 1080p ratio 1800 to 1980 isnt enough
C) xbox one x has better textures and other graphical enhancements
D) buy a 4k tv ya cheapass
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ViceGrity2000
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All this mumble jumble to sound like he knows what he's talking about lol.
The X shits on the Pro in every df video. Lolcheckerboarding
Sub 30 frames per second trash frame rate is hardly shitting on anyone. Delusional much?
UltimaKilo
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I don't know that Microsoft will get out of the console business, but next gen is really their last chance. Investors were already clamoring to axe the division a year or two ago.
Nintendo's Switch with its meteoric rise as the de facto 2nd home console doesn't help either. Nonetheless, Microsoft has doubled down on Xbox with their recent acquisitions, but it's going to be very difficult for them to finally establish themselves in Europe and Japan.
Edit: I wanted to add that with an overdue recession coming around 2020, companies are probably better off milking this cycle a little longer and forego any 2019 releases.
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ViceGrity2000
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A) technically it will be different and checkbox artifacts will render pixels incorrectly.
B) true traditional oversampling requires signicifantly more pixels to downsample from, ie at minimum 4k to 1080p ratio 1800 to 1980 isnt enough
C) xbox one x has better textures and other graphical enhancements
D) buy a 4k tv ya cheapass
A). I will buy a 4K tv next gen when the PS5 drops.
B). X1X is a waste of money.
C). Lol Microsoft charged you Xbox fans 500$ for a 720p XB1 with Kinect only to discontinue Kinect unceremoniously. Than charged you 300$ more for an S to get you to 900p. Than charged you 500$ more to get you Super Sampling to finally reach 1080p and than asked you to buy a 4K tv to play multiplats in 4K. So they charged y'all $1,300+tax for thier platforms plus another $1000+ dollars for a decent 4K tv bringing your investment to over $2300+ this gen. Meanwhile I only payed $400 for my launch PS4 that didn't RROD or anything and still works beautifully and does 1080p on my HDTV I bought last gen and needed no additional TV purchases required, all the while getting to enjoy the likes of the Last of Us remastered, God of War, Spiderman, Horizon Zero Dawn, Bloodborne, Uncharted 4 and Lost Legacy, Persona 5, The Last Guardian, Ni No Kuni 2, Nioh, InFamous First Light and Second Son, Killzone Shadowfall, Until Dawn, Ni No Kuni 2, Shadow of the Colossus remaster. All that for my 400$. Lol
Lort
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If its one thing investors hate its engagement and profit...
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/ven...-2-25-billion-for-microsoft-last-quarter/amp/
Oh wait thats what they actually want.. my bad.
Gavon West
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Not to offend, but anyone who has to explain themselves as much as you do in nearly every post, (I mean, like, walls of text) especially with the way you're anti Xbox, has to be full of shit. Real matters or the truth, rarely need such long explanations. What's worse is the way you twist and bend the reality to try and push a positive narrative for anything PlayStation, and mostly negative when it comes to Xbox.
Seriously breh. Its just games, not religion.
Lort
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A). I will buy a 4K tv next gen when the PS5 drops.
B). X1X is a waste of money.
C). Lol Microsoft charged you Xbox fans 500$ for a 720p XB1 with Kinect only to discontinue Kinect unceremoniously. Than charged you 300$ more for an S to get you to 900p. Than charged you 500$ more to get you Super Sampling to finally reach 1080p and than asked you to buy a 4K tv to play multiplats in 4K. So they charged y'all $1,300+tax for thier platforms plus another $1000+ dollars for a decent 4K tv bringing your investment to over $2300+ this gen. Meanwhile I only payed $400 for my launch PS4 that didn't RROD or anything and still works beautifully and does 1080p on my HDTV I bought last gen and needed no additional TV purchases required, all the while getting to enjoy the likes of the Last of Us remastered, God of War, Spiderman, Horizon Zero Dawn, Bloodborne, Uncharted 4 and Lost Legacy, Persona 5, The Last Guardian, Ni No Kuni 2, Nioh, InFamous First Light and Second Son, Killzone Shadowfall, Until Dawn, Ni No Kuni 2, Shadow of the Colossus remaster. All that for my 400$. Lol
A) your ps pro is so bad at 4k its totally not worth it now you got ripped off.
B) the xbox 1 x is the only true 4k console and has been awesome totally worth it which is why mosy people recomend it as the console to buy
C) your living in the past .. the xbox 360 was the 720p machine compared to the PS3 which was sub HD.. there is not 1 game where th S has a higher res than the original xbox .. so obviously youve resorted to lies and missinformation or are just totally out of touch with reality..
Rest TLDR youve already lost all credibility anyway.
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ViceGrity2000
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I didn't buy a Pro. And I may have lost credibility to you but at least I didn't lose my money to Xbox because like I said I only paid 400$ for my launch PS4 and had a terrific gen. You Xbox fans have paid $1300+ across three console releases the Bone, the S and the X as well as already jumped into 4K tvs to play your Red Deads in sub 30 fps trash tier frame rates.
My $400 and killer apps vs. your $2300 and unable to even hold 30 fps for all that money.
LMFAOooo
ViceGrity2000
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1inthechamber_
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I didn't buy a Pro. And I may have lost credibility to you but at least I didn't lose my money to Xbox because like I said I only paid 400$ for my launch PS4 and had a terrific gen. You Xbox fans have paid $1300+ across three console releases the Bone, the S and the X as well as already jumped into 4K tvs to play your Red Deads in sub 30 fps trash tier frame rates.
My $400 and killer apps vs. your $2300 and unable to even hold 30 fps for all that money.
LMFAOooo
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JareBear: Remastered
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
There's nothing arbitrary about placing Switch in as second entry in this gen because its unique in being a true hybrid home console/handheld. Its marketed to both product categories, unlike all your (invalid) examples showing pairings of a pure handheld offering with a pure home console.
This is not about technological similarity, its about commerce. Specifically its about who's competing with who for share of a certain market segment at a certain point in the history of the field as a whole.
Its why generational numbering doesn't start at the point where Nintendo, or Sony, or Microsoft entered, and why handhelds share the same scheme despite arriving much later in the time-line.
Look, you have to be seriously dense or just being plain obtuse to pursue this line of argument. How can you justify putting Switch a gen ahead when its likely to be competing against PS4/One for the first 3 years of its life?
We're already further adrift than the gap between Dreamcast and PS2/etc, between 360 and PS3/Wii... And the real next gen roll-out (when the overall industry standard gets bumped technologically) hasn't even been dated, so it could potentially be even longer.
Nemesis Prime
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I get where you're coming from, and as an Xbox fan it's not fun to admit, but it really feels like Sony is immune to L's these days
It feels like every decision they make just bangs, every game they make does well.
Ever since the new God of War I've had to accept it as fact. That game really sealed the deal in my mind. I draw a lot of parallels between it and Halo 4. Both games trying to make a new step in a new direction for an old and respected franchise, both making huge deviations from their predecessors and putting more focus on the new style of modern cinematic game design. By focusing on story, graphics, and cinematic gameplay moments, but every attempt of this in Halo 4 was shat on (by myself included), but with God of War it just clicked.
That just speaks a lot on the whole picture of Xbox games.
It's hard to say, but for the foreseeable future, Sony is king.
DunDunDunpachi
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You can keep resorting to calling me dense, but your same logic would lump the Dreamcast with the PS1/N64 and the DS with the GBA. It's really that simple.
It's not about "commerce". The generational divide is just casual shorthand. Take a look at the early 80s and also the early 90: there were tons of consoles coming and going. Generational lines have been blurred from the start. The term is actually a computing/manufacturing term i.e "IBMs next generation of home computer". The Wii-U and 3DS were Nintendos 8th gen systems. They were the next generation of Nintendo gaming platforms following the DS and Wii. The Switch is the next generation gaming platform following the Wii-U and 3DS.
8 + 1 = 9.
Nah, The Order, Killzone, DriveClub and Knack all flopped. Reviewers will call out Sony if their shit stinks.
Pallas
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I see what you mean about Sony's longevity in the future, I don't think Microsoft will purchase them. I think(conjecture not fact) that if Sony was to disappear or get sold, it would probably be Amazon who would try to buy them if they want to get a foot in the video game industry outside of just streaming.
Nintendo as well could be sold,but I don't know why I feel thats less likely. I think Nintendo would go the Sega route if anything instead of selling out. They have some really successful games on mobile as it is, so it would incredibly lucrative.
Rhazer Fusion
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All this mumble jumble to sound like he knows what he's talking about lol.
The X shits on the Pro in every df video. Lolcheckerboarding
Didn't the Xbox x come out like 1 and a half later? It should be more powerful. It would be like Sony boasting the PS5 outperforms the Xbox X on DF in 2021. In the end what matters most is the games and sales are indicative of that. Hopefully Microsoft will resolve that issue soon with their acquisitions next generation.
Also, you do know the Xbox one x has some checkerboard rendered games or games they are not quite 4K resolution as well despite them giving the impression that all games will be in native 4K to my knowledge.
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DS_Joost
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As with every article regarding this shit... Show, don't tell. Again, MS has the features, but as with every console, features mean nothing without actual games. Games man. The Halo, Gears, Forza trifecta needs to be broken. Yeah they bought studios. They also bought Rare and look where that got them. Platinum was making an exclusive and look how that ended up. Unless these acquired studio's games are actually on shelves, I won't believe a single thing about Xbox. I say this as a fan of the 360 and original. MS really pissed the bed hard this gen and they're not exactly showing signs (signs being GAMES) of stopping.
ZywyPL
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I think they should firstly reveal the console itself before they show the games on it? I see a lot of "show, don't tell" comments here recently, but what you and many people are asking for, is to MS start showing XB2 games RIGHT NOW, in late 2019, when the actual console will be released 2, or even 3 years from now... Patience, young padawans. But I do agree, until we actually get to see the games from all those new studios, there is this huge question mark, they can be releasing games every single quarter, but if their quality will be like ReCore, Scalebound, Crackdown 3, Sea of Thieves etc., then what's the point?
mars_terraforming
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Well, reviews wise, they flopped. Sales wise, probably they didn't.
Except The Order ( even though that Pessino or former member here Shinobi said that The Order was profitable ), KZ, DC and Knack sold over a million each. Well, KZ and Knack were launch titles, but DC sold over 2 million copies before closing of Evolution studios.
If Sony abandoned Killzone for Horizon, that's a hint that it flopped.
If Sony closes Evolution Studios after they released DriveClub, that's also a hint that the game flopped.
I don't know about Knack sales but it was a shitty game as seen by reviews at the time.
michaelius
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By that logic Microsoft should abandon console gaming - it would be win-win scenario for customers and developers since they would have one less console to worry about.
mars_terraforming
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Killzone isn't dead. LOL. Like i said, DC sold over 2 million copies before Evolution closure, also Knack sold over a million. Of course, game was bundled heavily.
I said reviews wise games flopped, not sales wise. Anyway, why bother.
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Bogroll
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So would both versions of look the Red Dead 2 look the same super sampled ?
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No, you're just being obtuse, I'd say a certain other person who's argued with me a couple of times on this matter fits the "dense" adjective better than you.
Generation is casual shorthand and, yes, it is blurry (which begs the question why you are so hung up on the definition, but whatever). However you simply cannot deny that its about more than tech increments. The practice of using bus width as a primary marker fell out of favor years ago when the 128-bit term was prematurely blown out due to marketing trumping more objective measures.
Also, if that was the case both the Gameboy (4th) and the NES (3rd) would be considered part of the same generation as they both employ simple 8-bit architectures, but they aren't. Their launch was separated by 6 years and in the intervening time the competitive landscape had changed.
Conversely, PS3 and Wii are considered contemporaries as they launched practically simultaneously but the PS3 is clearly a generation in advance of Nintendo's machine technology.
If those two statements don't prove that its less to do with technology, and more to do with launch timing I really don't know what else to tell you. The commonality of generational naming is that its always chronological and it always applies to every platform released on the market regardless of vendor past the point of a new increment being reached - irrespective of its technological "level".
It is primarily a method of aggregating and tabulating sales-rankings for a period.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
It sold 2.1 million in a few months. It received mixed reviews, but I wouldn't consider that a flop.
1inthechamber_
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Making excuses? I really don't care, fact is in the df videos and I find it hilarious fanboys are making shit up now.
If it was the other way around you'd boast about it. But unfortunately it isn't, so all you kids talk about is sales now in every thread
.When it was Ps4 vs Xbone, it was "lol720p" or whatever and "lolps4hasnogames". But now "power doesn't matter" and sales are everything lol.
I'll continue to laugh at you kids till someone shows me Sony cutting them a check for their sales.
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