AgentP
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The chip or the card? The cards have 3 or 6GB of 384-bit GDDR5 on them too.
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[Eurogamer\DF] Orbis Unmasked: what to expect from the next-gen PlayStation.
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The chip or the card? The cards have 3 or 6GB of 384-bit GDDR5 on them too.
Granted, I'm not saying it will be definitively one way or the other; just that they are likely to be much closer in the coming gen since they will both have PC architecture, instead of PS3's exotic CPU. The ideal situation is that both Durango and Orbits multiplatform titles will be identical.
Does MS make hardware as much as Sony???
The 7970M is a binned desktop HD7870, and we're not even certain that's the GPU they're using.
Thinking like you, i would have missed Demon's Souls, Valkyria Chronicles, the entire Uncharted series, Tales of Vesperia, Heavy Rain (for the sake of it), God Of War 3, Killzone 2 (yeah Killzone 2, ultimate ONLINE FPS experience this gen), Dragon's Dogma, and plenty others... then, i would have to wait 2012 to play a proper FIFA...
Oh, the nightmare.
To buy on Newegg maybe. I'm sure AMD is sweetening the deal for both MS and Sony. They're probably getting the GPUs for like $80-100/ea tops.
EDIT: And as AgentP so astutely pointed out above, the GDDR5 on the desktop variants adds a lot to the cost. That does raise an interesting point though. I wonder what the cost variance is between Sony's expensive 4GB GDDR5 and MS' cheap 8GB DD3 + eSRam..
Does anyone know how they were able to leak so much info without any repercussion?
OT: Insulting people's belongings into which people have put their thought and money can make the person feel like you're insulting them by questioning the validity for their choice. If you are immune to this then great for you. If I had spent hours going through reviews, looking at charts and doing proper research then proceeded to buy the best vacuum cleaner for $350 only for it be called a piece of crap by some stranger as if they knew what they're talking about would be resentful.
I am not going to buy a WiiU, ever. And I love the WiiU memes. But when I see someone getting heated about having their choices mocked, I can understand why. Of course, that's about it.
Also, what vacuum cleaner did you buy? Mine's about to die and I need a sturdy replacement soon.
OT: Insulting people's belongings into which people have put their thought and money can make the person feel like you're insulting them by questioning the validity for their choice. If you are immune to this then great for you. If I had spent hours going through reviews, looking at charts and doing proper research then proceeded to buy the best vacuum cleaner for $350 only for it be called a piece of crap by some stranger as if they knew what they're talking about would be resentful.
I am not going to buy a WiiU, ever. And I love the WiiU memes. But when I see someone getting heated about having their choices mocked, I can understand why. Of course, that's about it.
Also, what vacuum cleaner did you buy? Mine's about to die and I need a sturdy replacement soon.
I hate when people say this. The part is totally modified. It will be similar in some ways, but drastically different in others. No one but Sony knows how different, but I would suspect the card is spec'd so deferred rendering and 60 FPS can truly shine.
Imagine buying a Civic, and putting on twin turbos - its not so much a Civic anymore now is it.
yes yes me too
What do you guys think Sony is adding to PS4 to handle 4K? They must be doing something for 4K on PS4 since they are ones pushing for it just like they did for bluray. Would they do it for movies only? Or maybe PS4 has that special sauce to give us some 4K gaming at 30fps for some games later on? I can't believe they will not have a 4K logo on the PS4 box. I am just curious.
shinra-bansho
Member
Is there a reason people are thinking this will be prohibitively costly based on these specs? I'm relatively lay in this regard, but I can't see what would drive the cost up to ridiculous levels. The RAM?
Technically don't they contract AMD for the design and then they can have them made wherever they want. Also which rumor is this. I'm not sure a rumor a year ago should be given more weight than seemingly multiple corroborating information now.
these specs are far from the system destroyers that people were hoping for, so i don't get where the funny is in the image at all either. this should be a happy wii u.
JonathanPower
Member
PS4 may have an edge over Xbox720 at 1080p due to the higher bandwidth though. Also, having a lighter OS and thus more CPU cores available for games may give another advantage to the PS4.
velociraptor
Junior Member
The information is already out there all over the web. The original VG Leaks document is 90% correct.
I remember a similar picture involving the PSP and the DS circulating GAF prior to either console's release as well... funny how that turned out.
Maybe -- maybe not. If that 10% happens to be what GPU they are using -- I'd say that 10% is a lot more important than it appears.
You do this in every thread? Get over it.
OT Response: The term is called ego-involvement (as far as the social sciences are concerned). One can sympathize with such a position but one has no responsibility to alter posts or thoughts for the sake of preventing offense. Though, to note, not every joke is a canard.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Most of these rumors we knew already the only thing new is Orbis having a extra chip to help out with things .
Plus things seem to be wrong with the rumors on both sides so back to waiting i go .
Plus things seem to be wrong with the rumors on both sides so back to waiting i go .
those that say that durango will be stronger know.probably.
Upgrading isn't as necessary as people make out, as long as the first build was decent enough. Though you'd probaly want to do at least one upgrade across a console cycle.
Do you sell many games? If you don't, then the price gap is actually much, much closer than you'd expect. Most PC games can be picked up at launch for around half the price of the console version, and the direct download sales are insane. Games that are only are year old are often seen for around £5.
I'v e been playing console games today, and the loss of frames (not just from 30FPS, but deropping below that too), blurry textures and jaggies really stand out for me. It just feels like playing a PS2 would have felt like after the 360 and PS3 came out to me.
alexandros
Banned
Sure you can, it's just a slightly different business model. Instead of "razor and razorblades" it's "a bit more expensive razor with cheaper razorblades". And graphics do keep improving, a 2012 PC title is much better than a 2006 one.
velociraptor
Junior Member
I think playing games in 1080p itself will provide a huge improvement in graphics.
The difference between PC and console games is literally day and night.
I hope 1080p is standard.
TheDrowningMan
Member
I think that there is going to be some surprise with regards to post-launch sales; I'm sure supply will be tight enough to ensure at least one essentially 'sells-out' but the 360/PS3 have really gained a lot of traction over the last three years. They weren't world class sprinters.
Yes. The 7970M is nowhere close to the $450 desktop 7970. It's closer to (and slightly slower than) the $250 7870. But I'd still be surprised if 1080p isn't standard next gen.
As far as I know, no one has ever suggested Microsoft has more compute power than Sony. The overall impression from armchair analysts is Microsoft will use three custom blocks of silicon to offload tasks and make the life of the GPU / RAM easier.
The hardcore facts for Durango are:
1.2 TF
8 GB DDR3 32 mb ES RAM
8 Core Jaguar
Now all we need is Aurthur's article to put the pieces so the world doesn't think this is bullshit.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
The rumors never favored Durango, there was simply nothing concrete about the PS4 at tre time.
i can just imagine the scene when some sony exec waddles down to AMD's labs and scribbles on a whiteboard his revolutionary idea that a high end graphics processing chip should possess an enhanced capability for rendering shaders quickly. maybe they can optimise some of those devoted scrotum tessellation pipelines that are going to waste.
googleplex
Member
Now all I need is for Oculus Rift support to be announced and Sony will have my money.
And maybe reality still does, who knows? I think there won't be very much between them, most likely. But last year's information was quite different. Last year we were talking about 2GB PS4s, exotic Durango CPUs, and different PS4 CPU plans to boot. But it would appear things have hashed around a little bit.
KojiKnight
Member
Noticing a lot fewer people trying to refute the 1.6ghz processor claim than when I posted the quote from Marcan a month or so back.
That maybe, but I am just surprised this article being put up now before any official word by Sony.
Also, I'd assume these specs, may now, finally remedy Aegeis's statement about Sony "not inspiring confidence" among third parties.
Sorry, my main point was that it wouldn't have a desktop HD7970. I'm dubious about the supposed identification of the GPU as well and I agree that they're probably not using an off-the-shelf chip at all.
gundamkyoukai
Member
I don't think so more than once they told us they don't know much about Sony .
In fact most of these have been rumors that have been going around for long time .
I doubt it.
shinra-bansho
Member
At a minimum there's a gulf in terms of RAM.
3.5GB GDDR5 or 6.5GB faster DDR3 vs 1GB of the slowest DDR3 one can find iirc.
To what extent would games built towards these amounts and bandwidths need to be culled?
In terms of pure GPU floating point performance, we're looking at like 4-5x for PS4 and 2-3x for XBX3.
I'm not sure how 8 Jaguar cores clocked at 1.6GHz compares to a three-core enhanced Broadway.
But on 2006 hardware that cost $500? I mean honestly I would like to see that or hear from somebody who's in that situation about how today's games run on it but there's probably hardly anyone out there in that situation. In your razorblade analogy, yes, PS3 would be a cheaper razor but a little more expensive razorblades. But PC would be a more expensive razor with cheaper razorblades, but you also need to buy a new handle every couple of years.
pieatorium
Member
They are actually quite good specs compared to what was assumed a year or more ago.
Especially the Ram differences are immensely higher than what was thought realistic then and so much so that the chances of ports of games built for theses systems coming to the WiiU is very small I would imagine.
It will not look like PC. Sony will take a motherboard and insert everything into it. Final design will in the ballpark of the [first] PS3 Slim, possibly even smaller.
edit - i've misread the question
TheDrowningMan
Member
What you'd get out of a PC with these specs is really very different to what a console will yield, so I think that attempting a direct comparison would be on the spurious side.
Has Arthur hinted at a coming Durano article or is it an expectation based on the leaks tide?
Proelite, who's been spot on with his predictions, is one of a bunch of forumers who hold that view. I have no reason to doubt his stance...
They favoured one system based on nothing, just having more 'faith' (citing Kotaku's words
) in one company compared to the other.Same situation with people assuming that Sony wouldn't be able to launch in 2013....just personal feelings based on personal views on the companies involved, no facts.
I understand that. I'm just curious. I did except them to go somewhat cheap but from the looks of the thread they didn't.
Buy in bulk ... reduces cost
Fair points. You just have a different mindset about it. And honestly I would hate to feel like I can't play a current gen platform without feeling like I'm taking an enormous step back. That's a whole other point entirely, but for you to feel like a game like Uncharted 3 is a huge step back, you must have spent a great deal on your PC and/or got it pretty darn recently.