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Eurogamer: How PS4 Neo & PS4 will co-exist
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KratosEnergyDrink
Member
But perhaps Neo owners want to be threatened A class? All this restrictions Sony put on developers are not good in any way.
Silent Chief
Member
It's more like no reason whatsoever to upgrade until I got some games in my hands that have Neo listed on the back of the box.
NinjamicWZ
Banned
Yeah, but those people are probably still in a Retro VGS facebook group.
NoctisVsStar
Member
I learned something today
By default, PS4K games will run much better than PS4 performance wise. Its still the same CPU so you can't expect too much beyond much stabler framerates beyond PS4, but for GPU limited games the differences will be stark.
I wonder why they are going with 36 CU's though? the bandwidth, ram and CPU they have there is far less than what would be neccesary to take full advantage of the overkill GPU. Hell in many ways the PS4's GPU is the same way.
They could still just cut out atleast 6 CU's, save some power and still get significant results
Currently dreaming of a Sequel to Ratchet and Clank on PS4k Neo mode. MY.....GOD....
thelastword
Banned
They will have to differentiate them, Imagine buying a PS4 game with such a case, plop it into your PS4 and it demands a $400.00 Vr headset, that would not go well.Doesn't the Playstation VR Worlds use the same box as any other PS4 games? I doubt PSVR games will have different boxes since they are essentially PS4 games.
NoctisVsStar
Member
PS4S aka PS4Slim
Not all, and not most.
OsirisBlack
Banned
Yes I asked on here yesterday and had a very long discussion with someone in the know last night. Trying to put everything together before posting but there will be differences and the base model performance will not be shit.
would be a horrible marketing move just like the Wii U. I cannot tell you how many times that name was an issue in one of our stores. Worst Nintendo decision ever well one of them.
I think they said every game after October will have neo mode.
That is a pretty sad and selfish way to look at things.
Have you heard anything concrete about UHD blu-ray support and HDR?
Much physics, so compute
Most likely. It probably underclocks everything to PS4 speeds to ensure compatibility, which would result in identical performance.
Do you know if games released in late September are required to have a Neo patch, as mentioned in one of the rumors?
OsirisBlack
Banned
As far as I know the devkit not having UHD means nothing as far as the retail unit is concerned.
That I'm not sure about but its what I have read.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Never said all, or most. Just made a Colin like statement minus the most.
Yeah, that is just placeholder more than likely.
No.
That's what I figured given Sony's history. I'm more concerned about HDR since it apparently wasn't mentioned in the devnet guidelines.
Neo isn't going to be playing games using base mode if there is a Neo mode so I don't understand this question.
Mithos
Member
Will a PS4 game that is not Neo patched run better on a PS4 Neo then on a PS4, that is what I think the question is.
Because that would be an awesome thing.
Tarnpanzer
Member
I guess he meant PS4 games released before sep/oct.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Games that are locked framerate that dip a little, may see less dips/pop-in due to faster hardware clocks. So probably hit the caps better. Unlocked framerates are my concern when it comes to screen tare beyond 60fps (thank goodness for 120hz displays and above).
Hexa
Member
Just call it PS4K. Its perfect. Not too gaudy, but sends a clear message.
The main market for the Neo is going to be people with 4K TVs so it's a direct appeal to them. And it'll make everyone with a regular PS4 that doesn't have a 4K TV not feel so bad as compared to something that sounds better because they'll be like, "Oh. I don't really need that yet. I'll buy one when I get a 4K TV". Plus if UHD really takes off it'll be at the forefront.
The main market for the Neo is going to be people with 4K TVs so it's a direct appeal to them. And it'll make everyone with a regular PS4 that doesn't have a 4K TV not feel so bad as compared to something that sounds better because they'll be like, "Oh. I don't really need that yet. I'll buy one when I get a 4K TV". Plus if UHD really takes off it'll be at the forefront.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Agreed.
Yep. I am just like, that's neat. But I already have a PS4 (I have bought two, the last one just last month). The idea that I would buy yet another, more powerful PS4 that runs the same games I am already getting is laughable to me. But cool for those who want to go ahead and drop $400 on yet another PS4 after buying the one we all thought was going to be the standard.
Why did you buy two to begin with? That's more of a waste than buying a more powerful unit IMO.
I'll buy PS4K eventually, depending on the trade in programs
I sold my first one and upgraded to the all matte version. I was not out much at all. But I sure as shit am not going to go buy another, more powerful PS4 that I never asked for. Yay for those who want to, though. That's cool.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Wonder what they will call it?
PS4 Pro
PS4S
PS4 Plus
PS4 4K
..or..
PS
Playstation
The new Playstation
Maybe remove the number going forwards.
PS4 Pro
PS4S
PS4 Plus
PS4 4K
..or..
PS
Playstation
The new Playstation
Maybe remove the number going forwards.
GribbleGrunger
Dreams in Digital
PS4e - enhanced edition
PS4 COTG - Console of the generation edition
or just PS480
Old games will not have always a "Neo mode". They will need patching.
I'd like to point out that there is the vast, vast majority is mostly just ambivalent, because it doesn't impact them. I made my thread to address retail speculation, and the trends associated with larger buying habits, but honestly, there's two very vocal groups shouting at each other, and then, you know, the mass group that isn't impacted and won't be impacted, they're ignoring all this. Which is how it will stay until someone gives them a reason to care.
A higher power model at a higher price that doesn't remove the core system in any way isn't going to entice the majority customer base.
test_account
XP-39C²
Any reason why that would be unfriendly to indie?
Never said all, or most. Just made a Colin like statement minus the most.
Colin's statement is just as meaningless without context, yes.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Mine was more sarcasm with some truths from a certain point of view.
I'm beginning to suspect you just like rustling people's jimmies.
bitbydeath
Member
But that may also allude to people thinking they need a 4K TV to use it which will shrink potential sales.
Hexa
Member
I think that that would be worth it for the overall messaging of both the Neo and pushing 4K. Due to the circumstances and backlash issue, going all in promoting this as a tremendous improvement and the next big Playstation console probably isn't the best idea. Based on what we know UHD media and upscaled UHD games are going to be a core part of what defines Neo, so they should focus on that instead. It may not be big for everyone, but I think that that's going to be a bigger appeal to the mainstream than a considerable but not generation level graphics boost. I think it would be better to focus on that aspect and really push it over trying to make it appealing to everyone. Furthermore, I think that having people think they need a 4K TV to fully utilize the Neo may actually help their messaging in dealing with prior PS4 customers, because they aren't going to fault Sony as much for it considering that it won't seem as much like a half console transition as updating the PS4 with a technology that's just beginning to take off. Though I suppose all of this relies on the assumption that they're going to be using this to push UHD and are heavily invested in and expect it to do well.
Pokemaniac
Member
The more I read about this thing, the more Sony's approach to it just seems weird. The lack of exclusives is really gonna hurt this thing in the long run if Sony doesn't relent (or produce some truly awful base PS4 games).
Minimum resolutions also really aren't a good look without having something like the health concerns of VR to back it up. Without that, it is just an arbitrary limit.
Minimum resolutions also really aren't a good look without having something like the health concerns of VR to back it up. Without that, it is just an arbitrary limit.
So you upgraded for a different finish, but won't upgrade for better performing games.
bitbydeath
Member
From what I understand it was from Official Sony doco from Sony Dev Net website, also believe it was an October cut off.
New games will have to have a Neo mode, but devs are not required to spend resources on creating/optimizing better rendering modes. They can leave their game in same rez/framerate/visual settings as PS4 if that is what they want.
Old PS4 games will all be nativley playable on Neo, but if dev want to they can patch-in Neo rendering modes.
Lol, you'll sell up and replace your console to switch from a gloss shell to a matt one, but you wouldn't do the same to upgrade all the internal components?
People confuse me.
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