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Eurogamer Rumor: Xbox 720 = 2013 Release, Devs Have Target Specs For Both PS4/720
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Otrebor Nightmarecoat
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Tom Penny said:
Thats why Nintendo created a port machine with the Wii U.
Shadow of the BEAST
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Going by previous generations.
The next gen console are guaranteed to have between 4-6 gb of ram.
The next gen console are guaranteed to have between 4-6 gb of ram.
BlueTsunami
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Tom Penny said:
Har! It proved casuals could be satisfied with 3 or so party games and completely drop out.
Death Dealer
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Shadow of the BEAST said:
I think the sweet spot is around 2.5 or 3.
>4 is not happening.
Shadow of the BEAST
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Death Dealer said:
Thats crazy talk.
when the next generation comes almost ten years will have passed.
bgassassin
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Shadow of the BEAST said:
Costs make 4GB more than likely unreasonable.
bigtroyjon
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Yep, not a single Wii game would have been better with improved performance or graphics.Tom Penny said:
iamshadowlark
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4GB is alot more reasonable than you think. Hell more than 4 could be "reasonable" just not practical.bgassassin said:
Quicksilver4648
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Only now are developers really hitting the hardware cap. However, so long as Crytek and Epic are able to push their engines further each year there isn't much of a drastic need for a new console.
Don't get me wrong, gaming PCs can do laps around consoles in terms of visuals. However, graphics aren't everything. When it comes to the core game experience consoles are able to, for the most part, keep up with PCs.
And as for the 2013 launch, I believe this 100%. 2013 is looking like a great year for new hardware.
Don't get me wrong, gaming PCs can do laps around consoles in terms of visuals. However, graphics aren't everything. When it comes to the core game experience consoles are able to, for the most part, keep up with PCs.
And as for the 2013 launch, I believe this 100%. 2013 is looking like a great year for new hardware.
bgassassin
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iamshadowlark said:
Based on what? It's plausible to believe PS4 and NextBox will be using GDDR5. That won't be as cheap as run of the mill DDR3 that you get off of Newegg.
I also think one of the main factors that is not acknowledged is the costs over multiple consoles. It's easy to say "I can get 4GB of memory for $50". Even still multiply that over the first 15-20 million consoles that are in production before a reduction in manufacturing costs. Now you are looking at $750M-$1B spent on just memory alone.
Callibretto
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At the very least, I expect Sony to have big upgrade. Sony have several very talented graphic powerhouses with nd, gg, and ssm. And Sony knows it. And the best way to show off their stregth is to have high end visual. I think by now, it is expected from Sony, especially after Vita delivering the high end spec on portable device.Dreaver said:
Callibretto
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You want to download 50gb gran turismo 6 rather than go out and buy the game?Lunchbox said:
iamshadowlark
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Yes but these kinds of costs have been there since consoles started. Its not new. XDR and GDDR3 cost sony about $60 per ps3 and it wasn't near the top of the costs for that system. 4gbs of ram will not set sony or ms back any more than it has previously.bgassassin said:
edit: less than that. Less than $40.
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/9659/untitled2fl4.jpg
lwilliams3
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Tom Penny said:
Yes and no. The Wii has been successful, but Nintendo's decision to use an update of Gamecube's older architecture instead of a more modernized one ultimately came with some major sacrifices when it comes to third party developers being able to use assets for multi-platform games. Due to this, it is likely for Nintendo to make sure that they are not as far behind in specs and graphical features to the competition as it was with the Wii.
grap3fruitman
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I don't like the idea of Microsoft rushing their console to market since I've had far too many 360s break on me. If MS wants to sell me a console on launch day I need a time-lapsed video of their new console running for three months straight without breaking. Otherwise, I'm holding off.
Bill Squabber
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If Sony and Microsoft have all their games available digitally, it's gonna be hard for them to convince retailers to carry their consoles.
Lord Error
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The big price to pay would be when you receive a bill from ISP showing how much overages you have to pay, thanks to that, and other such downloads. For me and millions of others in Canada (and probably US too) that would be a realityMassa said:
We need much faster internet with much less restrictions for game downloads of that size to be a viable option for everyone.bgassassin
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iamshadowlark said:
Well I was being "kind" when I said $50 because that was based on posters saying that based on DDR3 prices they would look at the computer. Since we aren't buyers we won't know how much it would cost at this time. That said I think you forgot to acknowledge how much the set back hurt them previously. Looking at the 360 since PS3's costs were an anomaly for console production, you're pretty much asking them to repeat another large loss leading console. And in this case that large amount of memory wouldn't even be necessary for a closed system. It would be more about saying they had it available more than anything else. They could save a good amount of money sticking with 2GB of memory and still have a powerful console.
Like I said on the last page if memory today is 1/4 the cost of memory back then, then you are doubling the cost of what they spent in 2005/06 if you are using 4GB.
EDIT: And that picture doesn't mean much since they say it's an estimate and I can show you other teardowns that pretty much all conflict.
Lord Error said:The big price to pay would be when you receive a bill from ISP showing how much overages you have to pay, thanks to that, and other such downloads. For me and millions of others in Canada (and probably US too) that would be a reality
This would be rectified with peering arrangements, here in Australia where most ISP's have quotas a lot of them peer with services like Steam or XBLA for unmetered downloads.
bgassassin said:
Not to mention that you're going to need an obscene number of chips. 2Gbit density GDDR5 is only just barely being produced right now and not even high-speed. You'll need 16 chips to achieve 4GB total. Good luck fitting that on the motherboard. Attaching that to a 128-bit memory bus is even more lol-worthy. No one has plans for 4Gbit density either, so the cost-reduction plans are going to be very risky.
pieatorium
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We don't know what kind of prices they were getting then and what kind of prices they are getting now or even what type of memory they are thinking of using. Where are you getting this 1/4 figure from btw?bgassassin said:
bgassassin
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AlStrong said:
How would that look for GDDR3 (although I still think 4GB would be unreasonable)?
pieatorium said:
I pointed out we won't know the prices in that post you quoted. The 1/4 was just a rough, generalized number I used to gain a little perspective.
Lets say it cost $40 in 2005 to purchase 512MB of GDDR3 memory and $10 (1/4) today. 4GB is eight times 512MB which would be $80.
pieatorium
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What if it cost $50 for 512 in 2005 and $1 today, then 4gb is 8 times 512 which is $8.bgassassin said:
What I want to know is how you got your rough generalised number
bgassassin
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pieatorium said:
What do you mean how? The description should tell you how in that there wasn't much to support the notion, while still guessing at something reasonable. Your 98% reduced counterpoint isn't even reasonable when looking at what we've seen in these types of components.
pieatorium
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Why is it reasonable though? is it just a pure guess out of nowhere?bgassassin said:
bgassassin
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pieatorium said:
It was going off of how we've seen prices reduce on items in the past and while I said "reasonable" I was attempting to overstate the amount of a reduction because it's going off of memory. So no it's not out of nowhere, yet at no time have I made a claim that it's factual.
DIrtyWeasel
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Same here, I'll probably wait a year or two, unless they decided to cover their console with a 2 year warranty. I've had my original Xbox and two 360's break on me. I may have even gone through more 360s, but I went 360-less for about 2 years until the S models came out.grap3fruitman said:
The first year of a console's life are typically boring anyway, for me it just becomes a waiting game for the great games to come out.
pieatorium
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memory of what? prices reduce on what items?bgassassin said:
bgassassin
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pieatorium said:
Why do you want facts to support something that wasn't said to be factual?
BTW, Am I the only who finds all the fears about MS launching early and as a result "rushing to launch" unfounded? "MS was going to launch in 2014 but now we hear they may launch in 2013... RROD!... because 2.5 - 1 = 1.5 <--- this number is smaller you see ". This logic seems really strange to me. It's not like MS has been sitting on its ass since 2005 people!
". This logic seems really strange to me. It's not like MS has been sitting on its ass since 2005 people!pieatorium
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I just want to know how you got that 1/4 figure you seemed fairly sure on it to bring it up a couple of times. It's obvious you used some method to work it out I would just like to know what you based off to get there.bgassassin said:
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
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2013 seems fair to me. I think 2012 was way too soon for the next XBOX or PS.
Jokeropia said:Ready to be posted when requested.
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This chart is completely misleading as Nintendo is pretty much video game business only, whereas the other two accommodate much more than that (Sony since they blended their console and laptop divisions two or so years ago, MS's around the time they started the Zune stuff 5 or so years ago). Overall 360 has been printing money since 2007, but this is offset by disastrous performance of various iterations of Zune, Kin and recently Windows Phone 7. At the last investors call they stated that Xbox's profitability was around $400M, while the division only posted income of around $200M.
All in all, there's nothing stopping manufacturers from stopping following the PS2/360 model of relatively strong hardware at launch subsidized for a brief period of time.