It's pretty disturbing tbh.
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Eurogamer: Star Wars Battlefront 2 has a loot crate problem.
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It's pretty disturbing tbh.
Loot boxes aren't inherently bad, it's when they affect gameplay (especially multiplayer) that it becomes a massive issue imo. If they were selling cool skins I'd have no issue.
Was ready to blindly preorder but I'm out.
Fuck this trend, publishers just don't seem to give a fuck about the long term effects of gambling psychology.
I have zero problem paying for dlc knowing what I'll get but this random loot crate craze is concerning to say the least.
Here's hoping loot crates go the way of the online pass. (I doubt they will, they're just too lucrative unfortunately)
Fuck this trend, publishers just don't seem to give a fuck about the long term effects of gambling psychology.
I have zero problem paying for dlc knowing what I'll get but this random loot crate craze is concerning to say the least.
Here's hoping loot crates go the way of the online pass. (I doubt they will, they're just too lucrative unfortunately)
I think at the rate the current and future wave of games seem to be incorporating these elements into their games I think even the joe shmoe public is going to take notice and something will be done about it. Probably ESRB rating updates (18+ for all these gambling type loot box games)
Kadin
Member
Yeah disturbing is the better word to use here. It boggles the mind.
Jawmuncher
Member
I don't get what's so hard about making cosmetic loot crates.
The Star Wars universe is pretty varied and at this point would've be much of a stretch to have storm troopers with different stripes and such on them.
The Star Wars universe is pretty varied and at this point would've be much of a stretch to have storm troopers with different stripes and such on them.
They usually put Not Recommended or Recommended. Hence why I said review rating, id suggest its time for a Not Recommended in this case.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Defense force for everything. SMH
...What the fuck is that
Yeah, I can't see this shit becoming illegal because, well, capitalism, but an ESRB warning or something like that could at least help.
Why the fuck would you "blindly preorder" a game like that to begin with? I mean good for you for changing your mind but come on...
Fbh
Member
Man it's sad that nothing can be done about it. I'll vote with my wallet but this is still going to sell a lot and make lots of money from MT's
I was surprised these past few weeks at work when pretty much one out of every 3 people that came to buy FIFA also got at least $20 of PSN/XBL credit to buy packs...some of them much more. This kid that works with me got the Ronaldo edition for like $90 and then $100 PSN credit to buy packs..... That's almost $200 on just FIFA and with more than half of the money spent directly on what are basically loot boxes.
To be fair they all seem to be youtubers or streamers. Doing fake overreactions to everything seems to be the norm for a lot of them.
Still sad though as I'm sure a lot of kids watch them and are influenced by them. Seeing their favorite streamers go crazy over a skin will in turn make these skins very valuable to them and push them towards microtransactions.
I was surprised these past few weeks at work when pretty much one out of every 3 people that came to buy FIFA also got at least $20 of PSN/XBL credit to buy packs...some of them much more. This kid that works with me got the Ronaldo edition for like $90 and then $100 PSN credit to buy packs..... That's almost $200 on just FIFA and with more than half of the money spent directly on what are basically loot boxes.
To be fair they all seem to be youtubers or streamers. Doing fake overreactions to everything seems to be the norm for a lot of them.
Still sad though as I'm sure a lot of kids watch them and are influenced by them. Seeing their favorite streamers go crazy over a skin will in turn make these skins very valuable to them and push them towards microtransactions.
I've been watching interviews with some of the 3D artists on this game during the ZBrush summit, they're all so super talented, dedicated and obsessed with attention to detail in their art. Must be heartbreaking for the artists to see their work contaminated and sullied with loot crates and a broken progression system, it just seems to go directly against the spirit behind the creativity.
I just cancelled my order for this as well. Watching Angry Joe's breakdown of it convinced me that this is definitely not a system that deserves my support.
I just cancelled my order for this as well. Watching Angry Joe's breakdown of it convinced me that this is definitely not a system that deserves my support.
Kadin
Member
I think it boils down to them trying to continue to push further and further to what they can get away with. They clearly are out to milk every dollar they can and they only know what they can get away with by trying. If people poor out money and lap it up, that tells them to push even further. Sadly I don't know when the barrier will be hit, if ever.
Possibly, but I don't know, those reactions all seemed pretty genuine to me. Sure they can be embellished but yeah it's pretty nuts either way.
DICE has said why, it's either this or season pass. Now all the dlc is free.
I honestly prefer having free maps
jasminlovesyoux
Banned
This has gone to far. It changes the way the games played and designed at this point.
Daffy Duck
Member
Whatever you do dont serch youtube for Call of Duty supply drop opening videos.
TheSpoiler
Member
I'd rather have a season pass. While the player base is split, it's not going to matter how conjoined the player base is if people are walking around making it unfun with unfair advantages.
Fbh
Member
DICE said it's either microtransactions or season pass.
They didn't say it's either a season pass or locking the entire progression system behind loot boxes and P2W microtransactions .
Not to defend other games with MT's and loot crates but there are plenty of successful examples out there on how to at least make loot boxes better than this.
If this game is a success you'll get your Season Pass in the next game. Along with the same loot boxes of this one.
Outside of the skin gambling stuff, getting a rare drop from a CSGO crate can be the equivalent of winning the lottery. Just look at how much these gloves have sold for within the past week. Hundreds of dollars! With others requesting to buy at similar prices.
Of course, getting a skin that valuable from a crate drop is ridiculously rare (and crates cost a few bucks to open), meaning you'd have to waste a ton of money in the hopes of getting an item that has you coming out in the black. And the money you made from selling that expensive item can only go to your Steam wallet, but on the off chance you do get an item worth hundreds of dollars, at least it can pay for a bunch of your future Steam purchases?
No, I think they're inherently bad. They're bad when it's "only cosmetics" too. They're only used so frequently now because publishers know they're an accepted tool to gate content access/progression, exploit whales, and exploit fans.
Heard good things from my friends...
Chaos2Frozen
Member
Holy shit, how many fucking games have lootcrates this season?!
Forza, LotR, AssCreed, Battlefront, Destiny... At this point there's no way CoD wouldn't have lootcrates.
Gamers need to shut this shit down right now.
Forza, LotR, AssCreed, Battlefront, Destiny... At this point there's no way CoD wouldn't have lootcrates.
Gamers need to shut this shit down right now.
Daffy Duck
Member
What would interest me is seeimg the following:
1) Amount of DLC from a season pass
2) Amount of DLC with loot box funded
3) playerbase of season pass content
4) Playerbase with free maps but lootbox funded
It would be really interesting to see it laid out which model benefits end consumers more (eg if we get more DLC with a season pass or not) and what effect it has on a games player base over the course of the life cycle of the game.
A loot box isnt, an RNG loot box is the fucking devil incarnate z
Yes I'm fine with trading the monetization form map dlc to something else, but creating an unbalanced mess is ridiculous.
Try again Dice/EA
Kadin
Member
Yeah I recently sold a Twitch Prime crate for PUBG and took in just over $100 for my Steam wallet and while I'll never personally buy into this crate system, I'll use it to my advantage whenever I can. Some of the stuff I see now in the game (skirts, uniform sets) are going for really ridiculous prices.
Daffy Duck
Member
Id rather a season pass. Loot boxes can get bent, I hate them, they are destroying my interest in games that are AAA.
They do can get bent, and in this beta they are, I'm not saying that they aren't bad.
But in the long road, I'll rather have an united community with 20+ maps in where I can have fun, and not expending anything on loot boxes (which I wont), than launching a game with 8 maps and forcing me to pay 30-40 to not die of boredom.
Again, I hate both practices, but I'll rather have the one that it's not going to (potentially) destroy my fun of the game (although, yeah, they can get worse and unbalance the game even further).
NullPointer
Member
That's actually pretty good.
Kadin
Member
How about
|OT| Greed Shot First
(I have like zero knowledge of SW lore. Star Wares? No that's low-hanging fruit.)
The loot box scenario has the obvious effect of not fragmenting the playerbase the way paid DLC expansions would.
The DLC/Season pass route on the other hand doesn't have customers paying for content they may not use in the future due to discontinuing play to enhance the game now.
Regarding overall consumer benefit though, why should we be limited to those options? Continued monetization of games designed to push that monetization over their life cycle only to be ended by obsolescence leading into a sequel that repeats the cycle isn't consumer friendly to begin with.
ShadowSoldier89
Member
why is everything loot box versus season pass with maps...
there are more options for making money.
there are more options for making money.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBa...spoiler_the_kamino_leak_that_a_lot_of_people/
Progression only via crates really sucks, but at least later builds aren't as bad as the beta is with it.
Progression only via crates really sucks, but at least later builds aren't as bad as the beta is with it.
King Gilga
Member
Yeah felt super bad in the beta.
Sure the game will sell blockbusters regardless.
Sure the game will sell blockbusters regardless.
Daffy Duck
Member
Hahaha, thats amazing.
Star Wars Battlefront 2 |OT| The Clone Wars
Then why release a beta in such a shit state? If this isnt representative of the final game dont do a damn beta.
How about The Clone Wares
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
Post these suggestions in the OT for the old game. I'm looking for plays on quotes from the movies only.
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1212559&page=100000
Excactly. People are wasting their breath vouching for one or the other, when we can and should denounce both. It's up on the publishers to find a pricing model that's fair and consumer friendly. We get to decide when we feel that the price of admission is fair.
Fuck Dice with their "season passes or MT" mentality. I choose option 3: neither.
WickedLaharl
Member
They presented plays the demo as is and now they gonna cry about how it's being judged unfairly? Lol I'm sure someone will throw a "it was a beta!" my way.
Wasn't really interested in this game to begin with so I don't have a dog in this fight on top of playing loot box games making this hypocritical but:
"Less bad" is considered defensible and worthy of the benefit of the doubt in regard to loot boxes now. That doesn't seem like a good thing.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
Yeah, it was really stupid of them to use this build as the public beta. Really stupid. But, yes, it was just a beta. I don't like the progression via lootcrates only, but it looks like the beta was a fairly old build that isnt representative of the solution they'll have in place for launch.
Again, really stupid of them to use this build.
Star Wars Battlefront 2 |OT| Stacking crates to get the high ground
Daffy Duck
Member
Razgriz-Specter
Member
Pose POS, where did the character customization go.
Stone Ocean
Member
I like how he seems upset people are overreacting over incomplete info - lord forbid people judge what EA felt like making avaiable - yet he still says the game has P2W elements.
