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Europeans shafted yet again (No More Heroes)
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solid2snake
Banned
no matter, the game still rocks.
I'm just happy somebody's publishing No More Heroes for PAL. Good on you Rising Star!
Also, I'm a bit creeped out by the majority of users' thirst for blood in this thread, and saddened that those people will not buy this game due to a minor aesthetic change, rather than support a genuine third-party effort on the Wii.
Also, I'm a bit creeped out by the majority of users' thirst for blood in this thread, and saddened that those people will not buy this game due to a minor aesthetic change, rather than support a genuine third-party effort on the Wii.
Ynos Yrros
Banned
That's stupid. They could release the game censored for UK and Germany, and uncensored for the rest of Europe.
And no matter what you guys say, it does influence the games style a lot. Over the top violence was one of the pros for NMH, the impact of decapitation was one of the things that sold me on the game. Who wants to see body changing innto ashes instead of bloodbath and his head bumping on the ground?
I'm importing, and I will have to mdchip my new Wii :/.
And no matter what you guys say, it does influence the games style a lot. Over the top violence was one of the pros for NMH, the impact of decapitation was one of the things that sold me on the game. Who wants to see body changing innto ashes instead of bloodbath and his head bumping on the ground?
I'm importing, and I will have to mdchip my new Wii :/.
shiwasu said:
Hmmm... I consider it to be a fairly large aesthetic change. I was really fond of the blood effect. They can change the colour of it for all I care, but it looks empty without it, IMO. Though, watching all this Japanese footage lately, I've started to like the black ash effect as well. Still, it's sad they're not giving us an option to choose between the two effects.
And have no fear, it's still DAY ONE for me.
Europeans, with all due respect (and maybe I'm misunderstanding something), but you've been complaining. for. YEARS. Why do you still buy region-locked European consoles?
[edit] As an aside, shame on you who are shrugging off what is effectively censorship and bigotry towards gaming, no matter how minor. I know you have to live with it, but at least get pissed off about it.
[edit] As an aside, shame on you who are shrugging off what is effectively censorship and bigotry towards gaming, no matter how minor. I know you have to live with it, but at least get pissed off about it.
The_Ayertosco
Member
Baryn said:
Hope. Personally, every new console gen i hope that things will change, but in the end is even worse than before.
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Ramenman said:
Yes, but isn't the UK one of the PAL region's largest gaming markets? All the other markets in Europe require extra localization since they speak different languages. Plus they'd have to take the blood out for the German market anyway, so I guess they just figured it's easier to have the censored version here.
Danj said:
Not everything is censored in germany they could at least try. Before just censoring it. MS does it this way. They give the uncensored copy to the USK and if they refuse to give a ratign they just don't release the game in Germany. It's so easy to import those games from the countries around you anyway. I don't know about the UK system though, would it be illegal for you guys to import it?
Baryn said:
To answer (once again) this question : I got no warranty when if I import a console. There's no way I'm risking to throw 200+ euros out of the window to get games cheaper and faster.
However every game I've bought on DS has been US version, except for christmas presents.
Xater said:
But blood is, right? And that's what the issue here is. So if they know blood is banned in games in Germany, why would they even try getting an uncensored version rated there? I don't know how it works there, but over here, the BBFC charges money for rating stuff, and if the result is that your title is rejected unless you censor it, you are out of pocket because you have to pay again for the censored version to be rated.
Xater said:
No, but it would be illegal to sell it within the UK.
Danj said:
NO!
It all depends on the game. Just one example, Far Cry PC was ust censored so that you could no lnger use the rag doll stuff on dead people. Everything else was intact. The rating system here is very game specific it's not like every game has their blood censored.
Another nice example is God of War 2 which is completely uncensored even in Germany.
Dascu said:
Ah, I guess I should have added 'in my opinion' to the end of that. The lack of blood not being an issue for me is mainly due to the order I received information on NMH. I first read about it in EDGE and fell in love with the concept art. It was only later that I heard about Goichi Suda saying it was going to be more violent than Manhunt. Add to this that the majority of footage I've seen was from this year's TGS (and becoming quite endeared by the black pixel explosions), I hope you can see why I thought the lack of blood was only a minor aesthetic change.
Maybe some people just don't want to support cenoring in games ? If thre is movie, book or game out there that has been censored I won't buy it... And it seems that games are only things now days to get censored.
This time I won't be supporting Suda but maybe he's next game then.
slaughterking
Member
No, Blood isn't banned in Germany and there is no banned/not banned checklist either. Everything that might or might not be disliked by the USK (our rating board) depends on the context things happen in the game, the motivation for the gamer and other varying factors. Of course it's unlikely for an utterly violent game to get a 16+/18+ rating (if any), but thats not just a matter of blood.Danj said:
British Monsoon
Member
This is, as it were, the straw that broke the camels back, the camel being me and the straw being yet another reason to not own Nintendo EU hardware. Yes, it's a minor aesthetic change - but it's still a change, and for no good reason. So, we have to wait 6+ months for games the rest of the world are already playing, we pay more for hardware, software and accesories and our games are likely to be censored by their own creators in fear of being banned by the BBFC - and if we decide that maybe, just maybe it might be a better idea to import, customs are waiting gleefully in anticipation of the £60+ fine they can spring if they catch our imported consoles coming into the country. Just peachey. Screw this guys, i'm moving to Canada.
Visualante
Member
Talk about jumping to conclusions. Germany's standards are not to blame for this.
The game is so violent even with ash I doubt it will get released in Germany. This is to bring the standards in line with what the whole of Europe and Japan expect. God of War was cut also.
The game is so violent even with ash I doubt it will get released in Germany. This is to bring the standards in line with what the whole of Europe and Japan expect. God of War was cut also.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
Seriously, this is beyond stupid. This isn't the BBFC's fault it's the idiot publishers for blowing the Manhunt 2 issues out of proportion. From what I remember Manhunt 2 got banned due to the gritty, sadistic nature of the violence, no game's ever been banned due to OTT anime blood effects. If the BBFC had issues with the gore in NMH's then they could of pointed to a number of games with equally silly blood effects (I'm looking at you Mortal Kombat, feck, Killer 7 had enemies exploding into blood did it not?) and still saw the light of day. In short, I don't know if I'd buy the game if I had a Wii because the publishers don't deserve the rights to it when they're being such chickens that they're limiting the directors artistic decision.
Personally I was going to buy a Wii for this, I'll probably just import one now when I can actually get one.
Personally I was going to buy a Wii for this, I'll probably just import one now when I can actually get one.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
Danj said:
You're missing one of my points, it's not so much that the BBFC can be reasoned with. It's the fact that they've never banned a game for cartoon blood effects. If this title came out 5 years down the line nobody would bring up this point, much like nobody blamed Carmagedon for the lack of decapitations in NG (they blamed Germany) because there's no link between the decision and the BBFC.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
kamikaze said:
I guess censorship >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> directors vison to all you sheep that will buy without principle :lol
Seriously, it's a two-sided coin and you're being pretty ignorant if you're not taking that into account. I totally agree that you should buy games to support good games on the Wii, at the same time with buying this game you'll also be supporting censorship which some people won't want to do. It's the persons choice to make, and neither is any more or less valid than the other, also importing offers a work around.
slaughterking
Member
Goddamn, that really hasn't anything to do with some of us being bloodthristy or something. For most sane people censorship is just not acceptable, no matter if it really affects the experience.
Visualante
Member
Suda was playfully 1UP'ing his idols: Rockstar, by adding all that blood to make it more violent. He probably gave the okay to the ash effects personally.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
kamikaze said:
Well done for mistaking my parody of your idiotic comment as a sincere remark... Even when my very next paragraph begins with "Seriously" bravo!
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
Visualante said:
I'm pretty sure if you look at the influence of his style, mainly mature manga and extreme Japanese cinema along the lines of Takeshi Miike's work you'll always see lashing of over the top blood. Please stop trying to make excuses when they aren't there for the sake of your argument.
Visualante said:
The Curse of Manhunt 2 will never end. It has affected this game in two ways.
One, everyone keeps thinking Suda was serious when he said that NMH will be more violent than Manhunt 2. It was a way to get publicity. Nothing more, nothing less. There wasn't even any footage of Manhunt 2 at that time. He just said it to get people excited.
Second, all the Manhunt 2 controversy with the BBFC is why Rising Star Games is censoring NMH right now. It's a stupid decision fueled by fear that an uncensored version would get them into a bunch of trouble with rating organizations.
I personally find it quite annoying NMH is getting censored when Killer7 had similar blood effects.