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Kawaii desu ne! ^_____________________________^damn that's nice said:the digital one is much cuter because she looks like a anime
Kawaii desu ne! ^_____________________________^damn that's nice said:the digital one is much cuter because she looks like a anime
You want an avatar quote don't you.damn that's nice said:the digital one is much cuter because she looks like a anime
.Monocle said:Kawaii desu ne! ^_____________________________^
You want loli? Go to google and reeducate yourself on the damn definition.SalsaShark said:Im just tired of oversexualized women in games and i dont see the need for those kinds of boobs when there is NOTHING about this character hinting that they have a purpose other than give creepy gamer boners.
I throw the word loli around as a reference, im just instantly reminded when i see something so sexual in a character that's supposed to be "cute".
Feep said:large breasts don't weaken or strengthen a character.
Ellis Kim said:You want loli? Go to google and reeducate yourself on the damn definition.
You cry out at "oversexualization," yet you proceed to remark that she's supposed to be "cute;" I say that statement, as well as the rest of your post, reveals more about your subconscious objectification of her as a female character than anything by assuming so much about what their apparently shallow plans are for her "purpose" (aka "a tool"), let alone her characterization and growth/journey through Infinite, all from a game that isn't even out yet.
Who says Elizabeth doesn't have a C or D cup? Have you never seen tiny women with big boobs before?SalsaShark said:but keep calling me jerk over boobs
SalsaShark said:all im saying is that for me it takes away what some people might percieve of the character. I put Alyx as an example cause its basically the instant thought that comes to mind when you think about strong female characters that didnt have the need to be overly-sexualized, and she served her purpose and pulled that off.
saunderez said:Who says Elizabeth doesn't have a C or D cup? Have you never seen tiny women with big boobs before?
I have quite a few large-chested female friends, some easily within Elizabeth-range, and I would never describe them as "freaks". If someone is distracted by large breasts, well, that's not the woman's fault. It's the men who are playing this game who are sexualizing her, because I'm quite sure the game itself will have no overt sexual content.SalsaShark said:they kinda do when we are talking about the general game audience
all im saying is that for me it takes away what some people might percieve of the character. I put Alyx as an example cause its basically the instant thought that comes to mind when you think about strong female characters that didnt have the need to be overly-sexualized, and she served her purpose and pulled that off.
Bioshock is a good series, they could help "promote" this sort of thing and show that not every girl in a videogame needs to be sexually appealing, specially when the game suits it perfectly. A thing like this is just completely out of place to me and a lost opportunity, not really for the game itself but for what it could do in general. Its clear that there's a prominent female character here, and they arent taking any measures to make her relevant in a sea of big boobed freaks.
Feep said:I have quite a few large-chested female friends, some easily within Elizabeth-range, and I would never describe them as "freaks". If someone is distracted by large breasts, well, that's not the woman's fault. It's the men who are playing this game who are sexualizing her, because I'm quite sure the game itself will have no overt sexual content.
Should we cut all C-cup and above women from games because they distract men? Should we cut all skinny people? How about muscular guys? Those are distracting to women, after all. It essentially becomes some kind of weird pretty-people racism, or something.
Feep said:Elizabeth will differentiate herself, hopefully, with character development, dialogue, emotion, and plot significance. Jade from BG&E had a fairly large chest, if I recall, but I didn't care. She was rad. It's the player's fault if they couldn't see past her chest.
SalsaShark said:of course not, and im not saying that this girl is physically implausible or anything. I just dont get why she needs to be sexually appealing in this particular game.
and when i say freak im not talking about your friends dude, lol. Im talking about characters like Ivy and whatnot.
I dont disagree, im just saying that its a thing that will happen with players, and there's no need for it.
Reuenthal said:Why concern yourself over immature players?
ok yes can soemone pleaseFinaika said:You want an avatar quote don't you.
damn that's nice said:edit: salsa shark i swaer to fuckign god
SalsaShark said:Im just tired of oversexualized women in games and i dont see the need for those kinds of boobs when there is NOTHING about this character hinting that they have a purpose other than give creepy gamer boners.
Glass Rebel said:I think it's just a stylistic preference. It's a look most people associate with Victorian corsets. I admit though, it could be T2 "creative input" shining through. Again. >_>
I get where you are coming from but that still doesn't change my previous "I don't really care" position.SalsaShark said:Well, its part of a concern with immature players and as i stated a concern of the representation of women as game characters.
A concern for immature players is because this game is certainly gonna be something else, like Bioshock was, a different and meaningful experience (hopefully), and i dont care for the bioware-forum type of guy that just skips all over that to zoom into Miranda's ass or something, and i dont like it when i see a game with the potential to attract that audience when people should be celebrating other things about it. It certainly wont make MY personal experience with the game any worse or anything, that's why im not exactly calling Levine a motherfucker or anything, its just my opinion.
About representation of wmen as game characters: im not some kind of women activist or anything, i like a big pair of tits as much as the next guy, im just tired of them in games, specially when there's no purpose for them. I get them on Ivy and japanese games and what not; that sells, but in a Bioshock game? dont see the need.
I dont really like being part of a culture that has a HUGE fanbase for something like criminal games or those games where you spank girls with a touch screen and whatnot. I think its fucking ridiculous and embarrasing, and that's the image some people get from games, believe it or not, specially when its constantly shoved in your face. Id like stuff like that to die down a bit, and i think its about time now.
So when a game that could potentially help in that regard goes backwards and to the good ol videogame titties, then yeah, im a little disappointed.
Again, im being overly dramatic for the sake of the point where im coming from, im not saying Elizabeth's design is as bad as a game where you are supposed to spank little girls, lol.
Reuenthal said:I get where you are coming from but that still doesn't change my previous "I don't really care" position.
To be honest, games are idealized worlds and you are going to get pretty and sexed up characters males and females alike, and I think there is a difference between that and games that go misogynistic towards females. In Bioshock's case it is also a stylistic choice. Still I can also understand you wanting a different kind of game and also not liking the culture around people enjoying the sex aspect of a game or focusing on that. So despite having a somewhat different position I understand where you are coming from.
Dude, Ireally don't get your problem. I feel like you're naval gazing and being critical in all f the wrong ways.SalsaShark said:yup, in every videogame ever.
i like you cuz your a junior you look so new... such a cute avatarfroliq said:I prefer the cosplayer
SalsaShark said:sure
she looks like a loli character, there's absolutely no need for those boobs considering the purpose of the character. Its like Levine got some advise from Team Ninja or something.
You think Alyx in HL2 needed bigger boobs? she clearly came off as a love-interest of sorts without needing to fill your face with BOOBAGE. We get it, she's the pretty one, now make it classy instead of screaming for fan made hentai.
Ellis Kim said:Dude, Ireally don't get your problem. I feel like you're naval gazing and being critical in all f the wrong ways.
I'm a strong believer in great and progressive female representation in games too, but you're fighting on the wrong field of battle. Elizabeth's design is clearly meant to evoke various forms of empathy within the player, but you finding her corset cleavage distracting says more about you than of any malicious sexualization in her design itself.
The setting, her circumstances, and her role validate her attire.
You seek to tear down laughable and oversexualized design? Go attack the devs for Hunted: The Demon's Forge, or the hundreds of fantasy games with thigh-skin showing "armor."
But not here, not Elizabeth, and especially not with so little info on her, as you so bluntly put it, "purpose."
Fuck you, I love boobies!SalsaShark said:thanks, tried to make myself as clear as possible
i just dont get why people defend it so much, its a valid complain
people should just say to me "fuck you i love boobies!" and then i aknowledge that we like and expect different things in our games and that's that.
Less boobs != Less sexual objectification by douchebag male audience.SalsaShark said:I dont disagree, im just saying that its a thing that will happen with players, and there's no need for it and it could have been avoided.
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Well, its part of a concern with immature players and as i stated a concern of the representation of women as game characters.A concern for immature players is because this game is certainly gonna be something else, like Bioshock was, a different and meaningful experience (hopefully), and i dont care for the bioware-forum type of guy that just skips all over that to zoom into Miranda's ass or something, and i dont like it when i see a game with the potential to attract that audience when people should be celebrating other things about it. It certainly wont make MY personal experience with the game any worse or anything,
Stupacabra said:I think I trust Irrational to do something interesting with Elizabeth, other than make her eye candy. The design is certainly odd, and a little uncomfortable, and I can't help but feel that's what they're going for and it's going to amount to something.
Ellis Kim said:Less boobs != Less sexual objectification by douchebag male audience.
I get what you mean, and you're being overly dramatic, which hurts you more than it helps.
Your fear is warranted, but not one that's helping.
Stupacabra said:I think I trust Irrational to do something interesting with Elizabeth, other than make her eye candy. The design is certainly odd, and a little uncomfortable, and I can't help but feel that's what they're going for and it's going to amount to something.
SalsaShark said:Well, its part of a concern with immature players and as i stated a concern of the representation of women as game characters.
A concern for immature players is because this game is certainly gonna be something else, like Bioshock was, a different and meaningful experience (hopefully), and i dont care for the bioware-forum type of guy that just skips all over that to zoom into Miranda's ass or something, and i dont like it when i see a game with the potential to attract that audience when people should be celebrating other things about it. It certainly wont make MY personal experience with the game any worse or anything, that's why im not exactly calling Levine a motherfucker or anything, its just my opinion.
About representation of wmen as game characters: im not some kind of women activist or anything, i like a big pair of tits as much as the next guy, im just tired of them in games, specially when there's no purpose for them. I get them on Ivy and japanese games and what not; that sells, but in a Bioshock game? dont see the need.
I dont really like being part of a culture that has a HUGE fanbase for something like criminal games or those games where you spank girls with a touch screen and whatnot. I think its fucking ridiculous and embarrasing, and that's the image some people get from games, believe it or not, specially when its constantly shoved in your face. Id like stuff like that to die down a bit, and i think its about time now.
So when a game that could potentially help in that regard goes backwards and to the good ol videogame titties, then yeah, im a little disappointed.
Again, im being overly dramatic for the sake of the point where im coming from, im not saying Elizabeth's design is as bad as a game where you are supposed to spank little girls, lol.
SalsaShark said:Less boobs = industry going forward with the notion that game characters dont need to be overly sexualized for people to get interested in them as characters.
Ha! I actually played it recently thinking of finishing the achievements. Still like it, but the designs weren't great for sure.GrotesqueBeauty said:This coming from the guy who liked Viking: Battle for Asgard.
Sorry man, but I can never let it go!
omnomis said:So... you're saying that Elizabeth shouldn't have breasts of her size in Bioshock Infinite because "there's no purpose for them"? You realize that there are women of all different body size/bust size ratios in real life right? Also that whatever that ratio is, it is completely inconsequential to who they are as a person? You're acting like Irrational have given her some kind of absurd and unrealistic fighting game character/Jessica Rabbit proportions to make her body entirely an object of player objectification. When really, I have an ex-coworker who is about 5'1" and would probably look similar in a corset.
SalsaShark:
"In order to be taken seriously, a female character MUST HAVE SMALL BREASTS!"
SalsaShark said:I do realize that, videogames dont.
and again, im not saying she's "implausible", i know there are women who look like that (cosplayer to begin with, lol). But videogames arent real life, all design has a purpose, unlike.. well life.
dont be silly with the quote you gave me, im just saying that a strong way to show that is to not do it, yeah. Breaking the mold helps to get a point across, im not generalizing at all, im just talking about measures that could be taken within the issue.
all design has a purpose, unlike.. well life
I see where you're coming from, in that every video game character bar a few (Alyx and Chell come to mind, Fepshep probably too?) is over sexualized. Many, many, many women out there have a body similar to that of Elizabeth's (I think that's her name?) but I don't think she's overly sexual. She has a decent rack, that's about it. She's not some smoking hot model with perfect proportion and straight blonde hair. She seems realistic.SalsaShark said:I do realize that, videogames dont.
and again, im not saying she's "implausible", i know there are women who look like that (cosplayer to begin with, lol). But videogames arent real life, all design has a purpose, unlike.. well life.
dont be silly with the quote you gave me, im just saying that a strong way to show that is to not do it, yeah. Breaking the mold helps to get a point across, im not generalizing at all, im just talking about measures that could be taken within the issue.
SalsaShark said:I do realize that, videogames dont.
and again, im not saying she's "implausible", i know there are women who look like that (cosplayer to begin with, lol). But videogames arent real life, all design has a purpose, unlike.. well life.
dont be silly with the quote you gave me, im just saying that a strong way to show that is to not do it, yeah. Breaking the mold helps to get a point across, im not generalizing at all, im just talking about measures that could be taken within the issue.
Yeah, her boobs are designed like that on purpose, because, you know, she has a corset, she's a woman, she's meant to evoke empathy so you have to start somewhere, she's intentionally charicatured for her whole body for expressive and animation purposes, and she's something of a trophy to the Bird monster character.SalsaShark said:The reason im being so up about it here its because i just didnt expect it from a Bioshock game. I still really think its out of place. And if the trailers and info so far is anything to go by i truly believe that she could evoke exactly the same emotion from players without the boobs.
omnomis said:I wasn't trying to misrepresent you, I'm just saying that your first statement of Elizabeth being the "huge tits loli version" is completely hyperbolic. Also that I don't see what effect her breast size has on her character when it comes to the story of the game, which is what I care about. My point was that you make it sound like unless the character model has a below average sized bust, then there's no way her character could be progressive as a female in a videogame, and I'm saying that her body isn't so unrealistically caricatured that it should be a hindrance.
Glass Rebel said:ohnoyoudidnt.jpg
Ellis Kim said:Yeah, her boobs are designed like that on purpose, because, you know, she has a corset, she's a woman, she's meant to evoke empathy so you have to start somewhere, she's intentionally charicatured for her whole body for expressive and animation purposes, and she's something of a trophy to the Bird monster character.
You didn't expect it from a Bioshock game? That's a poor excuse. I've just rattled off a series of reasons why her design DOES fit into the setting and game proper.
If your concern is of random douche gamer A being incapable of looking past her tits, then that's clearly more of a design challenge for the developers than one for her chest size.