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[midnightAI]

Sure. Console costs skyrocket because a few companies are building the machine god. Which subsequently renders money, jobs and capitalism pointless. But our societies are bureaucratic and slow…so everyone is broke and can't afford said consoles, which are made for a world that won't exist by the time they release

Oo a fun bonus, the console itself will also be wildly out of date and obsolete by the time it releases

Compared to what though? a $3000 PC?

That's like buying a new BMW M5 and saying 'well its out of date and obsolete compared to a Koenigsegg Gemera' (extreme example)

 

[Spukc]

Wait let me use my 1500 euro phone to check if people will get 1000 euro consoles

 

[MayauMiao]

I can only see benefits here:
- No supply problems because of much lower launch window sales
- No scalping problems
- No need to subsidize the hardware (probably they can even turn a nice profit on it)
- Hardcore customers will buy anyway
- Ability to sensibly lower the price at the right timing to maximize profits in the coming years
- Low early installed base will not have a negative impact on games as they will all be cross-gen anyway

- Of course there will be no supply problem because not enough people will buy
- Scalpers couldn't afford one either
- Subsidize won't be an issue but trying to make money selling it to a handful of people will be the problem
- Sure hardcore will buy but without games, why would they?
- Lower price? Have you seen what happened to PS5 price?
- Good luck telling publisher/dev to invest hundreds of millions dollars to produce AAA games selling it to only a few thousand hardcore gamers

 

[FauxXeno]

I'm hedging that Sony's wagering on the portable more while PS6 being the premium product that won't be subsidized . People that are talking about needing higher install base should realize it doesn't matter anymore because if you have a ps4 or ps5 you're already in their ecosystem and that's all that matters , the market that matters more are the people using Switches and Steamdecks now . I'm gonna assume ( this is not a doomer take) that ps6 while be that last of the traditional home consoles as I'm guessing the ps7 will be just be a portable with godly computing power like in 2040 . Console wars are over but the portable wars have just begun.

 

[IAmRei]

how much hardcore will buy it? $1000 is still much even by today standard, casual might think twice to spend that much in this today economy.
i don't know what future will hold of course, might be okay might be not

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

Most people said $500 is a lot for a game console. What will they say about $1000 especially when a lot of people in the economy are struggling just to pay their bills? Sure, the hardcore will buy it, but they represent a small amount of gamers.

 

[Garda]

Most people don't buy their phones outright. They lease them for 2 years until they're paid for in full.

You are basically describing paying in installments. I'm sure this will be available.

Many gamers are cheap when it comes to their main hobby somehow.

But they also want

4k
60
Big jump in graphic

With a 500 dollars hardware.

Yeah. Things like the RAM crisis and Moore's law slowing down are not the fault of Sony. Due to these circumstances we need expensive components for a proper next gen jump. Sony can either launch an underwhelming console for 500-600€ or a proper next gen hardware for 700€+ (depending on the cost Sony is willing to eat).

IMO, the worst thing Sony can do is launch sort of a PS5 Pro 2, an incremental update that impresses nobody and offers little reason for a next gen upgrade. Sony needs a machine that is competitive with Magnus and that can deliver a substantial next gen jump (RT/PT for visuals and LLM/AI for gameplay).

 

[keefged4]

Imagine paying 1k for a closed source product

 

[Cumulus]

Imagine paying 1k for a closed source product

Apple people

 

[IDKFA]

BS, that's the price of an average iPhone.

With 1000€ price we get a proper next gen jump and future-proofed hardware. If AI spending stops rising, there could be a significant price reduction(s) throughout PS6 lifetime.

The masses will not pay a four figure sum for a PlayStation. The only people paying that sort of money would be the die hard gaming fanatics. It would be a massive flop at that price.

 

[Garda]

The masses will not pay a four figure sum for a PlayStation. The only people paying that sort of money would be the die hard gaming fanatics. It would be a massive flop at that pric

A weak console is forever weak, and a botched generation. An expensive console can be cheaper over time. Besides, where exactly will the masses go for next gen gaming with Magnus costing 1000€+ and gaming PC's being 2000€+ ?

 

[PontificationEngine]

The thing people forget about with people buying 1000 dollar phones is the need. People don't *need* a PlayStation, so it'll leave only the diehards like us on the forums buying it. Obviously an over generalization but this is the main issue. Consoles thrive when affordable (ala Switch 1)

 

[Clear]

Doubling RRP for essentially the same product with the same range of functions... what could possibly go wrong ? /facepalm

 

[Cumulus]

The thing people forget about with people buying 1000 dollar phones is the need. People don't *need* a PlayStation, so it'll leave only the diehards like us on the forums buying it. Obviously an over generalization but this is the main issue. Consoles thrive when affordable (ala Switch 1)

No one "needs" 1000 dollar phones either. And even those who buy it mostly do so with contract subsidies....
The amount of people who actually pay a grand or more flat for a phone every few years is not that high.

 

[duck_sauce]

The thing people forget about with people buying 1000 dollar phones is the need. People don't *need* a PlayStation, so it'll leave only the diehards like us on the forums buying it. Obviously an over generalization but this is the main issue. Consoles thrive when affordable (ala Switch 1)

People do not need 1000€ phones. They want them. There is a difference. A 300€ phone is more than enough for video, phone calls, social media, navigation etc.
What are you talking about?

 

[midnightAI]

A weak console is forever weak, and a botched generation. An expensive console can be cheaper over time. Besides, where exactly will the masses go for next gen gaming with Magnus costing 1000€+ and gaming PC's being 2000€+ ?

For PlayStation if its sub $1000, you are explaining exactly why people would go to PlayStation if PlayStation are smart (and they are)

Don't you realise that power is (partially) irrelevant? What's selling more, PS5 or PS5 Pro? if power was what people wnat wouldn't the Pro be far outselling the PS5 and not the other way around?

And who's saying the PS6 will be weak even at sub $800? Weak in comparison to what? (I've answered that argument above)

'Technically' the PS5 is weaker than the Series X (and certain outlets *cough* DF *cough* tried to exaggerate that fact), did people care? nope

edit: sorry, just read your post again, you was saying the same as me, ignore me i'm a fool

 

[Cumulus]

And who's saying the PS6 will be weak even at sub $800? Weak in comparison to what?

In comparison to what a generational upgrade traditionally provided. (with current insane prices)

We´d be entering phone-upgrade territory where you pay through the nose just to end up with basically the same experience as before bar a few details.

 

[midnightAI]

People do not need 1000€ phones. They want them. There is a difference. A 300€ phone is more than enough for video, phone calls, social media, navigation etc.
What are you talking about?

The current best selling iPhone is the iPhone 16 which is sub $700, the best selling Android phone is the Samsung Galaxy A16 5G which is sub $200. People are caring less and less about flagship phones other than those who want to pose (loads of people, but becoming less important as it was) or really must have the best tech (not that many really, even 2 year upper-mid phones are just as good as todays flagships mostly). But again, phones and consoles are two completely different beasts.

 

[Shadowstar39]

No sales...
How do people explain to their wives that they are spending a grand on a games console instead of saving for something for the house or a vacation.

I get it some of you are rich, and don't have these concerns, some are lonely and don't have mates.
When you are married and scraping by, albeit comfortably in my case, these things are concerns. $500 was pushing it as it was.

 

[PontificationEngine]

People do not need 1000€ phones. They want them. There is a difference. A 300€ phone is more than enough for video, phone calls, social media, navigation etc.
What are you talking about?

I'm not saying they need 1000 dollar phones, but smart phones in general are important these days, no matter the price you pay for them. Not that hard to understand

 

[midnightAI]

In comparison to what a generational upgrade traditionally provided. (with current insane prices)

We´d be entering phone-upgrade territory where you pay through the nose just to end up with basically the same experience as before bar a few details.

well, potentially, no, we wouldn't, as we know the PS6 is being geared towards AI and raytracing, something the PS5 isn't very good at. It will be a considerable upgrade, wont be $3000 PC hardware but that's obvious.

Do you consider the PS5 a weak upgrade? I mean, I don't but if that is how you feel then maybe the PS6 will be a 'weak' upgrade to you, but with rumoured 10x - 12x raytracing upgrade that alone is a big leap.

 

[ReyBrujo]

Most people said $500 is a lot for a game console.

Because they still see them as toys and entertainment, not as a necessity or a QoL improvement or a status sign like a car or a phone.

 

[Cumulus]

well, potentially, no, we wouldn't, as we know the PS6 is being geared towards AI and raytracing, something the PS5 isn't very good at. It will be a considerable upgrade, wont be $3000 PC hardware but that's obvious.

Do you consider the PS5 a weak upgrade? I mean, I don't but if that is how you feel then maybe the PS6 will be a 'weak' upgrade to you, but with rumoured 10x - 12x raytracing upgrade that alone is a big leap.

Well, what is rumored to be the current PS6 would have 300+ bucks in its BOM for the RAM alone compared to less than 50 in the PS5 when it launched, and that is only if the situation doesn´t get any worse.
That thing would be a decent upgrade for a console, but it would also soar far beyond that 800 buck line you mentioned unless very heavily subsidized which seems like a very stupid idea without pressing competition that could steal your marketshare otherwise.
It´s just a shitty situation for everyone and I absolutely get why Sony would enter wait-and-see mode at this point as this crazy market seems to do rickrolls every other few months lately.

 

[IDKFA]

A weak console is forever weak, and a botched generation.

Most people don't give a shit about power. A lot of people just want a cheap way to play sports games, Fornite, Minecraft etc.

An expensive console can be cheaper over time.

Not anymore. That ship has sailed. Nintendo started this with the first Switch, which even today is still full price. Gone are the days where consoles come down in price as they get older.

Besides, where exactly will the masses go for next gen gaming with Magnus costing 1000€+ and gaming PC's being 2000€+ ?

Nintendo is an option.

Also, that's a good reason for Sony not to piece the PS6 at 1000. People will see it as the cheaper alternative and flock to it.

Look at the PS4 vs Xbone. One of key selling aspects of the PS4 was the price compared to Xbox.

Looking further back, Sony made a mistake pricing the PS3 so high. The public rejected it and they were forced to reduce the cost.

 

[lifa-cobex]

People like you deserve to be scammed.

Its like listen to people who think the ram shortages won't effect consoles.

Just living on another planet

 

[Miles708]

Wait let me use my 1500 euro phone to check if people will get 1000 euro consoles

A 1500$ phone is equally dumb as a 1000$ console, but at least you can fool yourself by thinking a phone can have some actual use.

 

[Garda]

Most people don't give a shit about power. A lot of people just want a cheap way to play sports games, Fornite, Minecraft etc.

Yes, but only up to a point. People care for the highest marginal value i.e. best ratio of price and power (performance). After a certain point, the marginal cost of power rises sharply and most people don't see much point in paying 30% more for 10% increase in power. However, when the delta between current and next gen capabilities is big enough, people jump ship (otherwise we would not have console generations). The delta for PS6/Magnus gen is RT/PT and AI - these can be very impressive if utilized properly but they require expensive hardware.

Not anymore. That ship has sailed. Nintendo started this with the first Switch, which even today is still full price. Gone are the days where consoles come down in price as they get older.

We have a compounding effect of AI bubble on top of the existing die size shrinkage price increase; the former can (most likely) be mitigated through the generation.

Nintendo is an option.

It's not. Staying on PS5 gen is more of an option than going one more generation backward.

Looking further back, Sony made a mistake pricing the PS3 so high. The public rejected it and they were forced to reduce the cost.

With PS3, Sony wasn't offering enough marginal value over Xbox to justify PS3's asking price. If those 2005 pre-rendered trailers were real, Sony would have a much better case.

 

[Dorfdad]

Won't happen as the main sku, there is truly a pricing you out situation. At 1000 there you face a lot different than a 699-799 console. It would have to be very close to high end pc's today which it won't be. You will still have to pay for online services most likely and 70+ games at launch.

PC offers more games, cheaper games, no online costs. There is a convenience fee for consoles but that may be mitigated with Microsoft's New Game Focused OS.

I'd venture to say 799.99 will be PS6 console cost.

 

[saintjules]

What will they say about $1000 especially when a lot of people in the economy are struggling just to pay their bills?

To be fair, people who are struggling to pay their bills shouldn't be buying things like this anyway. They have to worry more about their finances then a Console (obviously. maybe).

 

[IDKFA]

Yes, but only up to a point. People care for the highest marginal value i.e. best ratio of price and power (performance). After a certain point, the marginal cost of power rises sharply and most people don't see much point in paying 30% more for 10% increase in power. However, when the delta between current and next gen capabilities is big enough, people jump ship (otherwise we would not have console generations). The delta for PS6/Magnus gen is RT/PT and AI - these can be very impressive if utilized properly but they require expensive hardware.



We have a compounding effect of AI bubble on top of the existing die size shrinkage price increase; the former can (most likely) be mitigated through the generation.




It's not. Staying on PS5 gen is more of an option than going one more generation backward.




With PS3, Sony wasn't offering enough marginal value over Xbox to justify PS3's asking price. If those 2005 pre-rendered trailers were real, Sony would have a much better case.

A £1000 PS6 would be a disaster for Sony. You can't spin this into being a success story.

You're looking at this from a pure power perspective, but Sony has to look at it from a mass market business perspective. Not many people will pay double the cost of a PS5. Get real!

Not to mention Sony's bottom line. Sony usually sells consoles at a loss at launch, making their money back on software sales and PS Plus. If they launch at £1000 because the parts actually cost that much, they can't just "drop the price" unless the cost of those parts drops significantly, which takes years.

Pricing at a £1000 would be fucking mental.

 

[Moondoggy]

Does OP not know how money works?

 

[TheGodfather07]

Nintendo and Sony sell mostly to the mass market. You pretty much lose them all if priced too high.

 

[Garda]

A £1000 PS6 would be a disaster for Sony. You can't spin this into being a success story.

You're looking at this from a pure power perspective, but Sony has to look at it from a mass market business perspective. Not many people will pay double the cost of a PS5. Get real!

Not to mention Sony's bottom line. Sony usually sells consoles at a loss at launch, making their money back on software sales and PS Plus. If they launch at £1000 because the parts actually cost that much, they can't just "drop the price" unless the cost of those parts drops significantly, which takes years.

Pricing at a £1000 would be fucking mental.

Gaming-amount of RAM nearly costs as much as the PS6 these days. Everything has gone up in price, yet somehow Sony should launch the PS6 as if we are in 2023.

 

[Cumulus]

Gaming-amount of RAM nearly costs as much as the PS6 these days. Everything has gone up in price, yet somehow Sony should launch the PS6 as if we are in 2023.

and the mass market isn`t buying gaming RAM at those prices either because wages haven`t shot up together with consumer prices.

Most people aren't willing to pay a sizable part of a their monthly income for a toy. A shocking revelation, I know....

 

[dorkimoe]

Scalping has 0 affect on Sony they don't care about that

 

[IDKFA]

Gaming-amount of RAM nearly costs as much as the PS6 these days. Everything has gone up in price, yet somehow Sony should launch the PS6 as if we are in 2023.

The math of consumer electronics is a bit more complex than just adding up the retail price of parts at a local PC shop. Sony doesn't walk into a store and buy RAM off the shelf like we do, but sign multi billion dollar, multi-year contracts. And yes, I know prices have gone up due to AI demand, but that doesn't mean Sony will launch a 1K console. Sony isn't going to pass those costs onto the consumer at a 1:1 ratio. That would be foolish.

Instead, they "spec down" the machine or extend the current generation's life to wait for the market to stabilise. If Sony released a £1000 console during this financial climate that is already driving up the price of other goods, then the PS6 will struggle to sell at all because the average consumer is already stretched thin by the exact same inflation.

Sony take a cut of games and MTX sold on their store. They can eat a lot of the costs of manufacturing.

Also, wasn't the argument be that a 1k is needed because it would be powerful? Now it's that it's a requirement due to current RAM prices? Either way, it would be a failure and a brain dead business decision.

 

[LordOcidax]

OP Logic: More expansive = Less issues for Sony.

 

[Garda]

and the mass market isn`t buying gaming RAM at those prices either because wages haven`t shot up together with consumer prices.

Most people aren't willing to pay a sizable part of a their monthly income for a toy. A shocking revelation, I know....

This is precisely the argument in favor of PS6. If Sony can offer a complete next gen gaming device for the price of gaming-amount of PC RAM (800-1000€), that would make the PS6 a great deal.

 

[Cumulus]

This is precisely the argument in favor of PS6. If Sony can offer a complete next gen gaming device for the price of gaming-amount of PC RAM (800-1000€), that would make the PS6 a great deal.

Lol no. The target demographic for consoles is not the same as for PC and neither are their price limits or expectations for a machines capabilities.

And the enthusiasts who simply want and can buy everything are just a very small group.

 

[bighugeguns]

OP Logic: More expansive = Less issues for Sony.

My takeaway from 999 is that it would greatly simplify who you're making games for. But yes, 999 is tough, not crazy, just tough.

 

[LordOcidax]

My takeaway from 999 is that it would greatly simplify who you're making games for. But yes, 999 is tough, not crazy, just tough.

For a PlayStation console is not crazy, is insanity. Outside of US and Europe, a $1000 console is DOA.

 

[krumble]

Ridiculous idea with the worldwide cost of living increases vs wages that haven't tracked with this and inflation badly affecting people's bottom line for entertainment spending, millions may drop $1000 on a phone every other year etc but it's not the same market. Launching at $1000 will be DOA because there will be no significant leap from PS5 - we are in the world of diminishing returns and where the cost of the consoles has gone up over the course of the generation which has never happened before, only the hardcore are buying a $1000 ps6 on launch, and would mimic the ps3 disaster launch if they went with this, don't be blinded by your own desire for a powerful ps6 and step back, the home console market reached stagnation with the income across the word from videogames and consoles not really changing year on year by any significant number, higher priced games and consoles only leads to less of each being bought as people have a budget for entertainment and they don't stray outside that unless the economy suddenly booms and we end up with Elon musks false vision of ai bringing worldwide abundance for all - never happening

 

[IDKFA]

Wait let me use my 1500 euro phone to check if people will get 1000 euro consoles

How many people drop that much on a phone in one go? A vast majority pay off their phones within their contracts over 2-3 years.

 

[Montauk]

Very conservative way of thinking. Why not a $2000 PS6?

Quality costs money.

 

[saintjules]

At least here in Spain when you go to mostly any mall/store to buy something somewhat expensive like a PC, tv, console, etc. they always have the option to pay it in installments. Or at least it was like this years ago, I assume nowadays most people buys via Amazon.

I bet it's gonna be everywhere now

Business Hardware  Post in thread 'PlayStation announces "Flex" a hardware leasing service in the UK'

Feb 18, 2026

There are plenty of people keeping rent to own businesses going. I suspect there is some market for it but meh.

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[cash_longfellow]

Tell me you know nothing about the economy, without actually saying it, OP. Especially the U.S. economy right now.

 

[Thanati]

No sales

This pretty much closes the thread.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Imagine paying 1k for a closed source product

I just paid 300 bucks for a month of supergrok bro.

I just wanna fucking have fun bro.

I paid over 400 bucks a month for years to play wow on a T1 line in the sticks.

I'm not proud. If I want a toy I'm getting a toy. I did not forgo human companionship to save money.

 

[Gamezone]

So when people aren't buying them because they are too expensive, that's a good thing?

 

[Miles708]

I just paid 300 bucks for a month of supergrok bro.

I just wanna fucking have fun bro.

I paid over 400 bucks a month for years to play wow on a T1 line in the sticks.

I'm not proud. If I want a toy I'm getting a toy. I did not forgo human companionship to save money.

And if you think i am just being jealous of your money capacity, then you can honestly be sure you're absolutely right lol