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Explain to me the problem with a $1000 PS6 in 2027

GymWolf said:
I edited my post, i'm well aware that a premium ps6 would do poorly.

But hey, if i can't post my frustration in a gaming forum, there is no other place left :lollipop_grinning_sweat:
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Good point, the PS6 wont be $1000 though (or rather, I seriously doubt it), Sony know themselves that would be a very bad idea and they'd lose all the goodwill as far as hardware is concerned that they gained with the PS4 and PS5 (and Portal to a degree). In fact the success of PS4 and PS5 means they are even more likely to subsidise the cost of the PS6, maybe not to the extent they did with the PS3, but at least what they did with PS4 and PS5, I still think the PS6 will come in between $600 and $700
 
midnightAI said:
Good point, the PS6 wont be $1000 though (or rather, I seriously doubt it), Sony know themselves that would be a very bad idea and they'd lose all the goodwill as far as hardware is concerned that they gained with the PS4 and PS5 (and Portal to a degree). In fact the success of PS4 and PS5 means they are even more likely to subsidise the cost of the PS6, maybe not to the extent they did with the PS3, but at least what they did with PS4 and PS5, I still think the PS6 will come in between $600 and $700
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The PS5 subsidy isn't that much, bundle discount not withstanding.

I think it's going to be at a minimum $300 more than what the PS5 is at the time of launch.
 
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midnightAI said:
Good point, the PS6 wont be $1000 though (or rather, I seriously doubt it), Sony know themselves that would be a very bad idea and they'd lose all the goodwill as far as hardware is concerned that they gained with the PS4 and PS5 (and Portal to a degree). In fact the success of PS4 and PS5 means they are even more likely to subsidise the cost of the PS6, maybe not to the extent they did with the PS3, but at least what they did with PS4 and PS5, I still think the PS6 will come in between $600 and $700
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It will at least cost the same as the Pro at $699USD (without disc drive - if applicable). I don't see a PS6 being cheaper than the initial launch price of the Pro.
 
Cumulus said:
wrong. The only gen where they did it on such scale was the PS3 gen and it nearly killed them.
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Sorry, that's my bad, I just meant they do subsidise the cost every gen, not saying they'll do it hundreds per console sold but they do it to some degree every time. Thats base consoles at launch only though, Pro's are sold at a profit as are other hardware such as VR, Portal, controllers etc
 
saintjules said:
It will at least cost the same as the Pro at $699USD (without disc drive - if applicable). I don't see a PS6 being cheaper than the initial launch price of the Pro.
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Well, lets wait and see shall we, remind me how well pro is selling again? But its pointless saying anyone is wrong because we just don't know but we can go off current sales as a guide as to what people are willing to spend.
 
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1000 pricetag for the 'standard' console would be a crazy move from Sony, even in today's world of severe ram shortages. They're going to extend current gen and if the problems are still there 2 years from now I think they're simply going to release a weaker PS6 than originally planned. That way it will maintain a reasonable price and build a userbase for PS6 games and they'll still have the option to introduce the Pro model (maybe even faster than this or previous gen).
 
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A lot of people love PlayStation so I think that's a perfectly reasonable price if it's a nice, powerful machine with a lot of storage space.... As for me, I don't think I'm ever buying another console after this generation
 
Trilobit said:
Lots of men, especially in poorer countries, have a hard time even affording a PS5. And now we're going to have consoles that cost about double what it did at launch? I think a lot of fans will just stop buying consoles and instead go for PC or Switch 2. I've always felt that I could motivate the higher prices of console games because I felt like the console itself was well worth it.
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Tbh even at a 1000 dollars ps5 might still be the cheapest for triple A gaming. With how ram prices have skyrocketed. We know that no one will flock to the next Xbox since it will be much more expensive then the PS5.
 
SNG32 said:
Tbh even at a 1000 dollars ps5 might still be the cheapest for triple A gaming. With how ram prices have skyrocketed. We know that no one will flock to the next Xbox since it will be much more expensive then the PS5.
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people will drop triple A gaming in these countries against their own will tho, they wont flock to xbox or nintendo, and at the same time its going to be phisically impossible for them to buy a 1000 dollars device, I live in Brazil and have the privilege to spend that cash in gaming, but most of my friends who had PS4 are still waiting for a significant price drop on the PS5 like it used to happen in previous gens
 
kenmasters said:
I can only see benefits here:
- No supply problems because of much lower launch window sales
- No scalping problems
- No need to subsidize the hardware (probably they can even turn a nice profit on it)
- Hardcore customers will buy anyway
- Ability to sensibly lower the price at the right timing to maximize profits in the coming years
- Low early installed base will not have a negative impact on games as they will all be cross-gen anyway
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When you put it that way, they should make it a $1800, the benifits might even be more
 
Pataponpon said:
people will drop triple A gaming in these countries against their own will tho, they wont flock to xbox or nintendo, and at the same time its going to be phisically impossible for them to buy a 1000 dollars device, I live in Brazil and have the privilege to spend that cash in gaming, but most of my friends who had PS4 are still waiting for a significant price drop on the PS5 like it used to happen in previous gens
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You probably won't see a significant price drop for the ps5 until the ps6 releases. You will still be able play these triple a games on PS5 people can't afford a PS6.
 
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Nah, $1000 invalidates one of the top reasons to own a console...the lower up-front subsidized hardware price to play games.

When you go that high, you're just telling people they're better off buying a PC or smartphone/tablet, since they're multi-purpose devices. No (non-rich) parent is gonna spend that much on their kid unless they have the excuse of productivity, school stuff and other apps.
 
Garda said:
BS, that's the price of an average iPhone.

With 1000€ price we get a proper next gen jump and future-proofed hardware. If AI spending stops rising, there could be a significant price reduction(s) throughout PS6 lifetime.
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Most people don't buy their phones outright. They lease them for 2 years until they're paid for in full.
 
Durin said:
Nah, $1000 invalidates one of the top reasons to own a console...the lower up-front subsidized hardware price to play games.

When you go that high, you're just telling people they're better off buying a PC or smartphone/tablet, since they're multi-purpose devices. No (non-rich) parent is gonna spend that much on their kid unless they have the excuse of productivity, school stuff and other apps.
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Idunno, 1000 pounds is a looot less than what a good gaming PC costs, and prices will only be going up.

Also I assume consoles can still play games better than a PC with comparable parts, because of the optimisations.

Have they said what kind of hardware will be in the PS6?
 
I agree with you though that no responsible parent is gonna spent 1000 pounds/2000CAD on a console for their kid. If I were Sony I'd be thinking of rebooting the PSP/Vita line. I think that's the future of non-PC gaming.
 
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uncreativename said:
Idunno, 1000 pounds is a looot less than what a good gaming PC costs, and prices will only be going up.

Also I assume consoles can still play games better than a PC with comparable parts, because of the optimisations.

Have they said what kind of hardware will be in the PS6?
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Sure...but I'd argue that once you push over the 4 digit mark, that device has to do more than one thing well to justify itself to non-enthusiast consumer.

Many normies will spend 1k on a smartphone because it does so many things for them in their life, as do tablets or PCs. Given the diminishing return on graphics as well, you could just get budget components on a PC, and have its other benefits. Single-purpose devices should be cheaper, unless they wanna make their PS6 PRO $1K mid-way through next-gen for enthusiasts.
 
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I was just thinking about smartphones. I think they're awful for videogames, so there's definitely still a place for dedicated portable gaming devices. A portable gaming device might be a bit expensive to manufacture, but you're not dealing with Apple and all their regulations and their cut of profits and their constantly breaking backwards compatibility. Also a new Vita would take normal batteries, which is a huge bonus to the consumer, and it'd cost a fraction of the price of a new console :pie_thinking:. The more I think about this idea, the more I like it.
 
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Brucey said:
What do you mean by normal batteries? It's not going to run on AAs.
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Mm, that's true, not even the old 3ds and Vita did that :pie_thinking:. Still, check this out.
https://www.nintendo.com/en-ca/store/products/battery-pack-rsoc-103975/

Not very expensive, especially if they have these in Best Buy or whatever. And I forgot something else, Apple really doesn't want you replacing your battery yourself, so they make it annoying. With a dedicated device, Sony and Nintendo could make it super easy.
 
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Durin said:
Nah, $1000 invalidates one of the top reasons to own a console...the lower up-front subsidized hardware price to play games.

When you go that high, you're just telling people they're better off buying a PC or smartphone/tablet, since they're multi-purpose devices. No (non-rich) parent is gonna spend that much on their kid unless they have the excuse of productivity, school stuff and other apps.
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Also by then "hopefully" AMD will have better integrated graphics that aren't $2K and Intel is continuing to improve on their side.

Basically say a $1000 - $1200 laptop or PC that can also be used as a homework machine is a lot more palatable.

MS should try to throw in some educational shit for Magnus. Might help sales.
 
uncreativename said:
I was just thinking about smartphones. I think they're awful for videogames, so there's definitely still a place for dedicated portable gaming devices. A portable gaming device might be a bit expensive to manufacture, but you're not dealing with Apple and all their regulations and their cut of profits and their constantly breaking backwards comatibility. Also a new Vita would take normal batteries, which is a huge bonus to the consumer, and it'd cost a fraction of the price of a new console :pie_thinking:. The more I think about this idea, the more I like it.
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Get this man to a podium!
 
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Puscifer said:
The fact more than half the population doesn't have 500 for an emergency should horrify people
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Yeah, it's all kinds of f-d up once you start thinking about it. This is a median of US population so 170mil people.

No wonder that F2P has such a stranglehold on the market. :(
 
OP makes a compelling argument.

I need to get four PS6s at launch for our three houses, so competing against scalpers would be a bitch. $999 would largely solve that.
 
L*][*N*K said:
Get this man to a podium!
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lol I feel bad for making so many posts in a row.

One more, though. Apparently there are rumours Sony IS thinking about doing this, so good for them. https://wccftech.com/sony-sucessor-ps-vita-under-discussion/

Also I didn't realize that Nintendo make a Switch Lite (although it looks like the batteries are a pain to replace :/) , and that they're probably going to make a Switch 2 Lite, so they're already on this, too, although I wonder how many devs still make games that are primarily meant for portable play.

Anyways, I think I'll pick one up right now, actually. It's real cheap, and 3ds and Switch emulation kinda still suck ass, and it'd be nice to play some of those games again :]
 
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Because it's just a console that will be collecting dust after playing the current trending games. If you're going to pay that much like a 1000 than might as well pay some more for a decent PC that you will always almost have it in use when you're home especially since most if not all the good games will be on PC too. At least with the XBOX Magnus it's suppose to be a PC console hybrid so folks will be using it like a PC. Personally wouldn't get any console and just be sticking with my current PC especially since it'll still be around the power of the PS6 and XBOX Magnus by then.
 
midnightAI said:
Good point, the PS6 wont be $1000 though (or rather, I seriously doubt it), Sony know themselves that would be a very bad idea and they'd lose all the goodwill as far as hardware is concerned that they gained with the PS4 and PS5 (and Portal to a degree). In fact the success of PS4 and PS5 means they are even more likely to subsidise the cost of the PS6, maybe not to the extent they did with the PS3, but at least what they did with PS4 and PS5, I still think the PS6 will come in between $600 and $700
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If RAM problems continue, it might be 999$ with subsidy. I don't believe Sony will launch 1000$ console without subsidy as it makes no sense for their business model.

Hawk The Slayer said:
Because it's just a console that will be collecting dust after playing the current trending games. If you're going to pay that much like a 1000 than might as well pay some more for a decent PC that you will always almost have it in use when you're home especially since most if not all the good games will be on PC too. At least with the XBOX Magnus it's suppose to be a PC console hybrid so folks will be using it like a PC. Personally wouldn't get any console and just be sticking with my current PC especially since it'll still be around the power of the PS6 and XBOX Magnus by then.
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And.... Magnus would be 2k and decent PC is 2.5-3k
It's situation when current market disruptions stays/get worse, and if it would - everything else will get more expensive accordingly
 
kenmasters said:
I can only see benefits here:
- No supply problems because of much lower launch window sales
- No scalping problems
- No need to subsidize the hardware (probably they can even turn a nice profit on it)
- Hardcore customers will buy anyway
- Ability to sensibly lower the price at the right timing to maximize profits in the coming years
- Low early installed base will not have a negative impact on games as they will all be cross-gen anyway
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jfc some people really think like this
 
It's a lot of money for a system that will launch with 5 Remastered Remakes and 1 new online shooter that will feature obese androgynous characters with brightly colored hair, and male figures that make "unfff" noises when taking damage.

Just my .02
 
StereoVsn said:
Also by then "hopefully" AMD will have better integrated graphics that aren't $2K and Intel is continuing to improve on their side.

Basically say a $1000 - $1200 laptop or PC that can also be used as a homework machine is a lot more palatable.

MS should try to throw in some educational shit for Magnus. Might help sales.
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Yeah, AMD I would expect would do that just for the next consoles and APUs for handhelds as well, and if they don't Intel will to compete.

Honestly, outside pushing high/ultra features in AAA games, the only thing you really need to play all the games is 12gb or more of VRAM. So many still being stuck at 8gb is the biggest bottleneck, and console APUs have weak cpu cores akin to budget hardware anyway.
 
What you gonna play in it?

Even the ps5 isnt being pushed to the limits, games look slightly better than ps4 at the most.

There simply is no point because the software is not there.
 
Chittagong said:
OP makes a compelling argument.

I need to get four PS6s at launch for our three houses, so competing against scalpers would be a bitch. $999 would largely solve that.
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Not sure I agree with the OP there. What if it's sold out at $999 due to scalpers demand? Then you face scalpers anyway just at a higher price.
Also would a $599 console being scalped at $999 be different?
The market price would still be the market price for that supply/demand curve. Just who the money goes to differs. Unless you don't want to deal with the actual process of buying off an unknown person, which is fair enough. I wouldn't want to either.
 
I don't have a problem with a 1000 Euro PS6. I don't understand the question.
In my opinion this isn't an unreasonable high price in our current economics
 
Sure. Console costs skyrocket because a few companies are building the machine god. Which subsequently renders money, jobs and capitalism pointless. But our societies are bureaucratic and slow…so everyone is broke and can't afford said consoles, which are made for a world that won't exist by the time they release🤣

Oo a fun bonus, the console itself will also be wildly out of date and obsolete by the time it releases
 
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kenmasters said:
I can only see benefits here:
- No supply problems because of much lower launch window sales
- No scalping problems
- No need to subsidize the hardware (probably they can even turn a nice profit on it)
- Hardcore customers will buy anyway
- Ability to sensibly lower the price at the right timing to maximize profits in the coming years
- Low early installed base will not have a negative impact on games as they will all be cross-gen anyway
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What matters is how to wield that power and when precisely.
 
ricardo_sousa11 said:
What you gonna play in it?

Even the ps5 isnt being pushed to the limits, games look slightly better than ps4 at the most.

There simply is no point because the software is not there.
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While I think 'isn't being pushed to the limits' is correct in a way, it is still being pushed. The reason we don't see massive difference is because its being used to push framerates rather than visuals but at least in general they do give you the option at least. Which I think short term is the right thing to do, 60fps should be the norm really going forward. AI will actually help a lot next gen with boosting resolution (and sometimes framerates) so we should see a fair bit of a jump especially in regards to raytracing.

My own personal theory about this gen and going into next gen and why we haven't seen loads of games from Sony's internal teams is that they are kinda sacrificing this gen to get their engines ready for not just the tail end of this gen but also next gen by adding in advanced raytracing and other features in there now even if not used due to hardware constraints. We have already seen Insomniac and Sucker Punch add raytracing into their games but its a little half hearted because the PS5 isn't really up to the task. I think the real showcase of what the PS5 could do and a glimpse of what the PS6 will do is when ND releases Intergalactic. The thing is, thats not all that unusual though really, the best graphics usually come at the end of a gen (The Order 1886 being the exception). Regardless of what some think, AI in combination with Raytracing/Path Tracing is the next big leap the consoles will make in regards to graphics in my opinion.
 
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