midnightAI
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Well, yeh, exactly, and I have no doubt at all Series S sold more, regardless of whether Gamepass has killed MS or not, you could get an S and basically play free (ish) games on it
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Explain to me the problem with a $1000 PS6 in 2027
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midnightAI
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The next XBox will be way higher priced than the PS6 unless Sony do something tremendously stupid. You ain't getting that next XBox anywhere close to $799 if rumours/leaks are anything to go by (heck,double it)
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bighugeguns
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Well, AI is definitely not slowing down for video game consoles.
Dude, serious question, are we kind of in the last feasible console generation right now?
Dude, serious question, are we kind of in the last feasible console generation right now?
RayHell
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Not in OP fictive scenario where PS6 is not subsidized and Xbox is.
PeteBull
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Everything is super expensive in the US, i totally agree, thats why by comparision 1k usd ps6 price 2 years from now wont be too shocking, especially for early adopters, and who knows how it will all look in 2030 where sony gonna need casuals, maybe ram/ssd shortages crysis wont be as nasty by then and price can be reduced
Again- lets remember sony doesnt need casuals first 2-3years, they need core audience, that usually lives in some bigger US cities, and those ppl make crazy salaries compared to the rest of the world.
Even median earner from NY is top 1% in the world
Not so hard for those guys buy a console thats 1/70th of their yearly salary, here in poland its not only gonna be much lower salaries but console likely gonna be 20-30% more expensive, and still core audience will fork up the cash and buy it
midnightAI
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That's because the OP is an idiot (no offence OP)
yurinka
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Yes.
But in the same way people could do the same buying a phone every 7 years for $250 each and decide to buy a $1000 instead every couple years, or decided to get $2K PCs when could get a laptop $700 not long ago, same can happen with the console. In both cases is luxury for entertainment.
At least here in Spain when you go to mostly any mall/store to buy something somewhat expensive like a PC, tv, console, etc. they always have the option to pay it in installments. Or at least it was like this years ago, I assume nowadays most people buys via Amazon.
Or well, having a somewhat decent job you can ask your bank for a small loan even (with shitty interest) in the ATM.
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Wandering Leopard
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An explanation is needed for this.
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StereoVsn
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Again, with the current job market and overall consumer sentiment in US, a $1000+ PS6 (don't forget tax) will not sell well.Everything is super expensive in the US, i totally agree, thats why by comparision 1k usd ps6 price 2 years from now wont be too shocking, especially for early adopters, and who knows how it will all look in 2030 where sony gonna need casuals, maybe ram/ssd shortages crysis wont be as nasty by then and price can be reduced
Again- lets remember sony doesnt need casuals first 2-3years, they need core audience, that usually lives in some bigger US cities, and those ppl make crazy salaries compared to the rest of the world.
Even median earner from NY is top 1% in the world
Not so hard for those guys buy a console thats 1/70th of their yearly salary, here in poland its not only gonna be much lower salaries but console likely gonna be 20-30% more expensive, and still core audience will fork up the cash and buy it
We are starting to see pullback in spending even in upper middle class in US now. By 2027 this shit is going to get worse.
GDP is doing alright because automation (AI and otherwise) is allowing companies to fire people while producing same or more.
It would be pretty dumb move to launch a mass market console at that price.
Edit: Median earner in NYC will have some very serious issues with many other costs. PS6 is like number 10,000 on that list.
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midnightAI
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You do know Sony does this every gen even the PS1 yeh?
dragonyeuw
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1. A phone and PC have far more practical everyday usage for the average person than a gaming console.
2. Phones and PCs come in a range of prices based on what you're getting. You don't 'have' to spend $1000 on either( granted, with the current RAM situation that's gonna affect prices for anything using RAM but this is a recent phenomenon).
3. I reckon more people buy phones, especially $1000 phones, on contracts so it's subsidized.
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PeteBull
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And yet, with the data we got:
Somehow ps5+pr0 landed at over 92m units sold and sony experiencing record profits, its obvious even avg/poor westerner isnt sony's target audience anymore, they target ppl who can afford it and there is plenty of them around.
How many of those 92m ppl will buy 1k usd ps6 by 2028?, defo 20m+ in a year, likely 35m units in 2 years after launch and after that its 2030 aka casuals time.
StereoVsn
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Don't forget that when PS5 came out there was that "little" Covid thing. US Gov flushed $trillions into the economy, hiring was crazy right after, people were working from home and so on.And yet, with the data we got:
Somehow ps5+pr0 landed at over 92m units sold and sony experiencing record profits, its obvious even avg/poor westerner isnt sony's target audience anymore, they target ppl who can afford it and there is plenty of them around.
How many of those 92m ppl will buy 1k usd ps6 by 2028?, defo 20m+ in a year, likely 35m units in 2 years after launch and after that its 2030 aka casuals time.
That's all done and over. Median US population can't handle a $500 unexpected bill.
Keyword in the stats above is "average". On average US consumer spending is strong but it's really the spend by the top 10%, maybe even top 5% that props up the average.
That's not going to support a console at launch.
GymWolf
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Many gamers are cheap when it comes to their main hobby somehow.
But they also want
4k
60
Big jump in graphic
With a 500 dollars hardware.
schaft0620
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Why rush to the end of this gen?
Knightime_X
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I considered a ps5 pro, but ended up with a gpu that's like 3.5x stronger
for about the same price.
At $1,000, I might as well stay pc.
for about the same price.
At $1,000, I might as well stay pc.
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The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
If i had a finance advisor and he saw my monthly income and my steam purchases he'd kill himself.Bro why you gotta expose me andThe Cockatrice finances like that? That's fucked up :/
Faltherion
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Can I be your financial advisor? Plz.
StereoVsn
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iPhone can be bought on essentially 0% 3 year loan from the carriers. In addition they usually offer very good upgrade deals once the phone is paid off.
Comparing the main electronic device to most people with a console does not work.
Again, most folks in US (think median vs average) are not doing well. Especially if they are near expensive large cities … where the jobs are located.
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ExtendEmbraceExtinguish
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I agree with you op however there are no exclusives, many ps4/5 owners are not seeing the so called graphical improvements and that price sticker will lead to paralysis.
Unless Sony is pucked, it should be released as what follows this ai boom is a global recession there won't be sales.
Sony should before any games preview have a warning: Onlyfor 4k & 120 fps devices (tv/monitors). So a little gaming war in all ecosystems can possibly highlight the reason for this device or folks really need better tv's, eyesight.
Avowed on a high end 4k looks great and I can easily tell series s vs x, and it leads me to believe most are blind as series s > ps4. Pt will sell these devices.
Controversial opinion: if nextbox can play pc versions of all my msft games with pt/ mods out the box and Sony has none of that ready on Sony ps titles; we have an issue. Also if cloud upgrade is available for Xbox ecosystem at 4k 30/60 for Magnus games.
Sony will sell so these are the only reasons I can think of. If 10% of the base exists for pro to ensure no pc escape plan; then 8 million potential yr1 sales.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
PeteBull
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Dunno man, US population is at 341m ppl, lets say half of them are women so that leaves 170m men, lets say 100m of those are too old/young or dont like videogames, thats still 70m of teenage/young adult/middleage men who like videogames and got enough disposable income to buy even ur most expensive console
Im sure sony knows the numbers, and is like:
midnightAI
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In your first scenario regarding phones, that is starting to happen, people are keeping phones longer and longer because they realise they don't need the latest and greatest because phones have started to hit that technological ceiling consoles have or rather, where old gen is 'good enough'. The only difference with phones is that they can get damaged easier forcing upgrades but even then people are mostly going for the mid range, the sub $800 phones not the $1000-$1500 Pro's. And massively more people get contracts so don't pay out $1000 a go.
My phone for example, I just went from a $1200 Motorola Razr to a $350 TCL NXTPaper and this is arguably a better 'phone'. I know many people now who have 4-5 yr old phones.
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Xbox tried it already with 'All Access' and failed. PS started that leasing thing. People see a phone as more 'essential' than a gaming device.
StereoVsn
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The numbers won't work like that. Seriously, you mainly have the top 10% spending. Everyone else is starting to tighten up or already did.Dunno man, US population is at 341m ppl, lets say half of them are women so that leaves 170m men, lets say 100m of those are too old/young or dont like videogames, thats still 70m of teenage/young adult/middleage men who like videogames and got enough disposable income to buy even ur most expensive console
Im sure sony knows the numbers, and is like:
You know that median NYC salary of $80K? A mediocre 1bedroom (not in nicer Manhattan areas) so in Brooklyn or Queens will run you like $3.5K a month. The $80K is before taxes, health insurance, etc…
People are seriously overestimating purchasing power of median US consumer in 2026.
Faltherion
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I have a PS5 Pro, I think its a great console hardware wise but idk if it was worth the $750. Ehh...majority of the PS5 "exclusives" games are on PC now or at least they are 6-12 months later. There is really not as much incentive anymore as their used to be in buying a PlayStation console compared to previous generations. There will 100% be a PC/Remastered version of Intergalactic for PC and PS6 just like there was for TLOU 2 and Wolverine of course. I am a bit curious though why Demon's Souls remake hasn't been ported to PC yet.
With how expensive game development is getting and all the hardware craziness, I highly doubt these consoles will be relying on exclusivity anymore. It's just not physically sustainable anymore. We live in a very different time now. I think Sony's big PS6 selling point will be the combination of the PS Handheld and the PS6 console itself, or rather the eco system itself and convenience, but really at what cost? Here is the latest on the leaks from K KeplerL2 so shout outs bud.
Dude, 24GB for a Handheld sounds absolutely absurd. How expensive will that shit even be on its own let alone the PS6? I am not complaining here, I am just trying to understand what we are dealing with here. That is some insane leaping in handheld tech.
Signalis
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GymWolf
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You change an iphone after a year or two, a ps6 last you almost 10 years and provide thousands of hours of entartainment, and believe it or not, for a console that cost 1000 euros, a shitload of places would let you pay the thing like you pay an iphone, pretty sure they already do this for a vanilla ps5 if you don't wanna splurge 500 euros all at once.
Sorry, i still think crying for 1000 dollars for something that last almost a decade is pretty stupid.
Especially if gaming is your main hobby and you don't have a gaming pc.
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StereoVsn
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It's all going to be a matter of financial priorities. A solid mobile phone is a requirement for modern life pretty much. A console is not.
And even there most people are keeping their phones over 3 years now and they are buying lower priced phones as well, not just flagships. That's especially true in Europe where there is a wider variety of Chinese devices form Xiaomi and others.
You can't compare people's main computing device required for daily functionality with a "nice to have" console.
There is a reason Sony ran such deep PS5 sales in Europe and US past holiday season.
And economic situation is not going to get better in the near future, US or Europe. PS6 could release for €1000+ but optics would be terrible.
GymWolf
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People spend way much more money for their hobbies than 1000 dollars, what are we even talking about?
Something doesn't need to be vital for everyday life to spend some money on it, fuck me some people spend 1000+ dollars for a golf club, so don't come at me when i say that gamers are a bunch of cheap fucks that can't save 1000 dollars for something that last almost a decade, maybe i'm a broken record but i think people undervalue how much fucking time a decade is for something you buy once, almost nothing in the entrtainment space has this longevity.
And if you are contempt with a cheap hardware then don't come here on a forum demanding 4k, 60 fps and a big jump in graphic like most do.
Btw i agree that a 1000 dollars ps6 would sell poorly, i'm a realist afterall, i'm just mad that gamers are not willing to spend a bit more for their main hobbies and we end with a shit, cheap product instead of a premium product.
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midnightAI
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It's all about initial outlay, I'm a PS fanboy according to this site and I'd be hard pressed to pay $1000 or more on a console ($ to £ is usually quite equal when it comes to consoles so £1000, which is $1350 in today's money)
In the UK 80% of phones are on contract, so around £60 a month for a £1000 phone including phone calls and data.
GymWolf
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I edited my post, i'm well aware that a premium ps6 would do poorly.
But hey, if i can't post my frustration in a gaming forum, there is no other place left
StereoVsn
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Dude, take a deep breath and a small step back. We are having a "hopefully" friendly discussion about economics of launching a $/€ 1000+ entertainment device. There is no need to be agitated over it. This is also over 1.5 years away even if 2027 holds out.
But in general worldwide economic situation is not great. Sony "could" launch a very expensive console and get some early adopter cash but again, math isn't mathing to me.
Most folks buying "base" consoles don't care much about 4K/60. Hell, most of them are playing F2P (or close to it) GaaS titles. They are not clamoring for a lot of power. This forum (and other enthusiast forums/discords) is a tiny place all things considered vs 100ml+ PS5 users by end of the year.
So a mass market console can't orient itself to only enthusiasts / more affluent players. There is not enough audience. Dropping prices after couple years "could" work but optics wouldn't be amazing. There is also AMD and TSMC mandatory minima order numbers to consider.
It's certainly going to be interesting to see which track Sony takes. My personal guess is 2028/2029 release and no more than $700-$750 (disk drive sold separately).
GymWolf
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I edited my post immediately after, i know a premium ps6 would fail, i was just posting my frustration about why it would fail.
Gamers have always been cheap fucks when it comes to console price way before any economic crisis, let's be real.
Ps3 almost failed because it was 600 dollars or some shit.
P.s. i was not agitated, sorry if i gave this impression.
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Faltherion
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lughnasadh123
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The benefit of the pro or even a more premium version of it is it expands to the people who want that nicer device without having to sacrifice your casual market a base console would cater to. So basically - why not both?
StereoVsn
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It's all good. Sometimes we all vent a bit!
For PS6, I wonder if Sony could essentially launch Pro alongside regular PS6. As long as memory configuration isn't as dumb as XSS was, it could be doable.
It's just as usually with a 4-5 year timeline for cross-gen (or longer) would it make sense?
GymWolf
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My previous ramble goes out of the window when you realize that even a 2000 dollars ps6 need to have games that run on a shitty ps6 portable
Memati187
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I do tend to agree.
I think most people are caught up on the idea of generations, which don't exist anymore. You see it in every thread "the gen has yet to start"....yeah, and it never will. PS6 is just a better version of a PS5, it will play all the same games...no different than an iPhone 16 vs. 15. The people that can't afford the 6 will just buy a 5.
I think most people are caught up on the idea of generations, which don't exist anymore. You see it in every thread "the gen has yet to start"....yeah, and it never will. PS6 is just a better version of a PS5, it will play all the same games...no different than an iPhone 16 vs. 15. The people that can't afford the 6 will just buy a 5.
Cumulus
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wrong. The only gen where they did it on such scale was the PS3 gen and it nearly killed them.
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ShadyAcshuns
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No thanks. I have plenty of games and systems to enjoy without spending a grand on a system that won't see many of those games for half a decade. Plenty of better options that deserve my cash.
ThroatPie
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There's really no problem with it if it is worth it. It will be a problem for Sony because the average person don't even have $1,000 to their name, including their assets. People weren't willing to pay $700 for a pro unless you were one of us "hardcore gamers".
At $1,000 people will milk their PS5/PS5 pros until they explode.
At $1,000 people will milk their PS5/PS5 pros until they explode.
GymWolf
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Drell
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Just check at all the éaughing emoji and you have your answer.
Pataponpon
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PS5 gen teached us to be patient with the slow output of 1st party games and the end of so many partnerships like Square Enix, Fromsoftware etc etc, I feel that it will take a while after the PS6 launch to actually make people feel forced to upgrade to it, specially with a probably longer crossgen period.
lachesis
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Consoles need to appeal to younger generation for future growth - if you don't garner younger generation, you don't have future.
That means consoles need to be cheap enough so that parents or grandparents can buy for their children/grand children without thinking "oh, it's too much money for just games".... Or cheap enough for a kid to save up relatively easily.
That means consoles need to be cheap enough so that parents or grandparents can buy for their children/grand children without thinking "oh, it's too much money for just games".... Or cheap enough for a kid to save up relatively easily.