Sentenza
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Fable was an average game, so that would be consistent.
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Fable might have been scaled down due to engine issues and lack of wrpg expertise. Could release later than expected.
Fable was an average game, so that would be consistent.
Nobody cares if you’re an Xbox fan or not. There’s no indication that the game is in ‘development hell’ at all, and first hand interviews with a former dev painted a rosy picture.
So no, I’m not ‘making excuses’ for Fable. I’m pointing out your weird handwringing. I think Xbox needs to improve their marketing practices but I’m not sure they really have to show off games on your schedule.
Isn’t that Your fault for believing a rumor that’s incredibly outlandish?
They really should have thought up something other than “MS is forcing devs not to use UE” when MS first party is probably making The heaviest use of UE in the industry.
That’s a naive read of things, since Sony had delays for a lot of their AAA titles, post COVID. We’re talking about the same Nintendo that had their flagship 2022 game delayed for half a year?
Dr. Wilkinson
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Omg this game is never coming out. See y’all in 2026
Umbasaborne
Banned
Lets just agree to disagree otherwise this will never end lol
Raven77
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Is it possible that MS is showing us how a big game company behaves after moving to a completely new distribution model?
All of our preconceived notions of how they "should" be acting might no longer be valid due to Game Pass. If their concern is getting and keeping subscribers, and NOT getting people to buy their games, do they need to endlessly hype their releases? Do they need to release ground breaking, incredible, high rated games anymore?
Maybe there's been a paradigm shift and we're not realizing it yet. MS might be aiming for 4-5 good games a year and 5-6 decent games instead of 1-2 AAA blockbusters.
This might explain Halo Infinite being good but sub par to many players. Might also explain them not seeming to care much about not showing off any of their "big" titles.
They just don't need to. They'll keep racking up subscribers and selling tons of consoles even without God of War level games.
All of our preconceived notions of how they "should" be acting might no longer be valid due to Game Pass. If their concern is getting and keeping subscribers, and NOT getting people to buy their games, do they need to endlessly hype their releases? Do they need to release ground breaking, incredible, high rated games anymore?
Maybe there's been a paradigm shift and we're not realizing it yet. MS might be aiming for 4-5 good games a year and 5-6 decent games instead of 1-2 AAA blockbusters.
This might explain Halo Infinite being good but sub par to many players. Might also explain them not seeming to care much about not showing off any of their "big" titles.
They just don't need to. They'll keep racking up subscribers and selling tons of consoles even without God of War level games.
SenjutsuSage
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So the actual head of Xbox Game Studios says the game is looking amazing and he wants to show it now and every other Xbox exec who has seen it seems to be blown away, but they are respecting Playground's wishes on when they want to reveal it, but people will believe some random dude? 
Lol.
Lol.
This site mints new jesters everyday.
Their games are still sold at retail, and sell millions on Steam. Revenue remains important. They showed off multiple upcoming AAA games at the last E3 and their last AAA releases had significant marketing. 3 AAA games already announced for H1 2023 and you’re here speculating that MS is moving away from AAA development.
All this because they’re choosing to reserve gameplay reveals for big showcase events?
touchfuzzy
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I can think of at one studio they owned then who have made a lot of action/adventure games, are famous for quirky UK-style humour present in Fable games, and haven't shipped a full game in a while...
Rare? that was busy with the Sea of Thieves launch back in 2017 and working round the clock to add content to the title? and at the same time were doing preliminary work on Everwild?
Am I being trolled here?
Thebonehead
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Double Fine I would think
Spaceman292
Banned
Ahahaahhahaa
touchfuzzy
Member
Yeah, Rare is a perfect dev for Fable.
I'm pretty sure they're still only doing preliminary work on Everwild, lots of time since Sea of Thieves to get going on a Fable game.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Horrible average. I bought it for the PC when it launched after hearing all the praise from console gamers at the time. Man, I wish I can still get a refund to this day
Felt like a Fisher Price 'My First RPG.' Especially after already knee deep in RPGs on the PC at the time with so much more robust systems, etc..
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Double Fine was purchased in 2019.
That’s later than 2017.
Fable was pitched in 2017 to Phil Spencer.
In 2017, Rare was wholly focused on Sea of Thieves.
You’re saying MS should have accepted the pitch, supported Playground to hire 100+ devs for their second team and then taken the game away from them to give to Rare, canceling Everwild in the process? Basically putting out one game instead of two?
Lol
pasterpl
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I wouldn’t put this outside of the possible explanations/s
Thebonehead
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That's all down to you, as you just didn't understand Peter Molyneuxs vision.Horrible average. I bought it for the PC when it launched after hearing all the praise from console gamers at the time. Man, I wish I can still get a refund to this day
Felt like a Fisher Price 'My First RPG.' Especially after already knee deep in RPGs on the PC at the time with so much more robust systems, etc..
pasterpl
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I have enjoyed each game in the main series fable 1-3 were excellent, lighthearted, lite RPGs, they all got decent meta scores as wellHorrible average. I bought it for the PC when it launched after hearing all the praise from console gamers at the time. Man, I wish I can still get a refund to this day
Felt like a Fisher Price 'My First RPG.' Especially after already knee deep in RPGs on the PC at the time with so much more robust systems, etc..
https://www.metacritic.com/search/all/Fable/results
It is obviously very subjective
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Very, in this case.
Topher
Gold Member
Horrible average. I bought it for the PC when it launched after hearing all the praise from console gamers at the time. Man, I wish I can still get a refund to this day
Felt like a Fisher Price 'My First RPG.' Especially after already knee deep in RPGs on the PC at the time with so much more robust systems, etc..
How did you like Fable 2?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Never even played it after the bad taste that was the first one.
I am however looking forward to seeing what they do with this one, since I would assume game systems have different expectations in current year next to others like TW3, ES, ER, etc., etc.. Hell, even action games that now incorporate RPG systems have outclassed them.
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samoilaaa
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have you ever seen a company that said bad things about their projects ? ofc they are gonna say that everything is fineSo the actual head of Xbox Game Studios says the game is looking amazing and he wants to show it now and every other Xbox exec who has seen it seems to be blown away, but they are respecting Playground's wishes on when they want to reveal it, but people will believe some random dude?
Lol.
fallingdove
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So the actual head of Xbox Game Studios says the game is looking amazing and he wants to show it now and every other Xbox exec who has seen it seems to be blown away, but they are respecting Playground's wishes on when they want to reveal it, but people will believe some random dude?
Lol.
Lol. An executive is the last person I’d trust to be impartial. Your suggestion that we should trust executives after Crackdown 3, Kinect Milo + Star Wars, the Halo infinite reveal, the “we believe in generations” sentiment, etc. seems a little silly.
touchfuzzy
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No, I'm saying they should've not let a racing game developer reboot an action-RPG in the first place, and then gone to Rare to make it instead of doing whatever they're doing on Everwild.
As it is both Fable and Everwild are, if not in development hell, in some type of extended / difficult developments, but what do I know right...
samoilaaa
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yeah , its been over 2 years since that teaser , we could have at least gotten a full 3-4 min trailer
Captain Toad
Banned
I do.
Do you go by captain?
Pedro Motta
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Only yo momma calls me captain. Other people call me something a little bit less OBVIOUS.
Do you go by captain?
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Roman Empire
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It wouldn't be the first time or last where a studio shows a teaser while having nothing about the game ready and being in the pre-production phase. I just hope it doesn't get stuck in development hell.
amigastar
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Just for the fun of it, i agree. Would love to see if it would be a success or not.
CamHostage
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But it's not that Microsoft went, "Oh shit, we don't have a Fable in construction right now, what do we do?!"
From what we understand of the process, Playground was in good shape to expand, a pitch was made to Microsoft for this game as an expansion studio project, the project was approved as a title which would use the solid Forza technology, and off it went.
No Playground Games St. Albans House team, no new Fable.
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clarky
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Some comedy takes in here by the usual suspects. They started to pitch in 2017 then build another team from scratch, announced 2 years ago but the game is in development hell because?
Bare in mind Horizon was first pitched in 2010 and didn't release for another 7 years, by an established team.
Bare in mind Horizon was first pitched in 2010 and didn't release for another 7 years, by an established team.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Damn you missed the best game in the franchise ...
if you are able to, I would highly recommend checking it out. It's got a 4K update on modern Xbox consoles.
-Zelda-
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Of all the games that I have played back when I had the OG and 360 X box consoles, the fable series is the one that highly wished was also on Sony and Nintendo platforms as well. To people who enjoy this franchise, I hope they can iron out whatever problems they are having with the newest version they are working on and that you have a blast with it.
Blue Dragon and Infinite Undiscovery were two other Exclusive rpgs that I wish were multi console released.
Blue Dragon and Infinite Undiscovery were two other Exclusive rpgs that I wish were multi console released.
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You think playground games is releasing something like crackdown 3 now? This place gets better and better. Who cares about Microsoft executives. How about give a little trust to a developer who has never failed to deliver quality period. I think making good on 5 games in a row should buy them the benefit of the doubt. They don't want to show it until its polished that is the MO of playground studios if you didn't pay attention.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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With what (recent) results? Because if we're talking in terms of technical visual fidelity, Gears 5 Hivebusters is probably the only example that's both kind of recent (within the past 2 years) and up there with some current stuff.
But that probably comes up short compared to say Callisto Protocol, which is also using UE4. Stuff like Hellblade II doesn't count it, you know, actually releases.
Thirty7ven
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Can only imagine how hard it must be to go from a racing game to a game like fable. The shift in tech and design philosophy is really wide.
What are you on about?
‘Heaviest use’ doesn’t mean ‘best use’ or ‘most impressive use’.
Probably around half of MS first party are using Unreal Engine. That’s what I meant.
I’m not sure how you imagined your interpretation made sense in the context of today’s discussion (a claim that MS is pushing back against using Unreal Engine in favor of an internal engine).
Definitely not as hard as having to repeatedly remind concerned people that a significant number of the people making Fable are RPG veterans hired for Playground’s second team and probably haven’t made a racing game before.
Not to mention the fact that there are tons of easily transferable skills between an open world racer and an open world RPG. One can easily see them port over the excellent work done on procedural generated vegetation that was implemented in FH5
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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I guess. But that just unfortunately feeds back into other issues when it comes to their internal teams: we haven't really seen much of whatever it is they're doing with UE4/5 this gen. Communication on that front has been abysmal.
But MS have always used internal engines alongside UE. Forzatech, Blam!, Slipspace etc. They aren't foreign to proprietary engines.
When people make the claim they're making the "heaviest use" of say UE4 or 5, I mean sure that's one way to think of it if quantity of games is all that matters to you. Not the case for me though; it's what specifically teams are getting out of it and with products either already out or what we have seen clear gameplay of to know they're coming soon. We don't have that with almost any of MS's teams right now, but we do have games on the market today making stellar use of UE and I'd think those sort of claims are better saved for them until MS's teams actually show more of their games or release them into the market.
R3claimer117
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Holy shit! At some of the takes in here some people commenting and not even having information that’s relevant to the conversation. Playground staffed and hired made a whole new team that’s working on fable including former rockstar, rocksteady, and even lion head previous staff. Also Matt booty in an interview debunked this rumor and said fable looked so good he’s been wanting to show it but the teams been saying they don’t want to show it yet. Playground is growing three teams they have the fable team, racing team and another one to do new IP. Ralph Fulton runs the fable team now and his protege runs the racing team. Sounds like bs I don’t think Matt booty would lie.
ChorizoPicozo
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fallingdove
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Did you read my post?
Playground needs to polish the game and don’t want to show it? Great. Polish that game to a blinding shine. I don’t need to see anything from this game until it’s perfect.
But I am not going to trust an executive just because they say “Trust us, this game looks amazing.”
R3claimer117
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Without refuting anything I said which is all informed and factual shows why you’re here. Continue the shit posting lol
This comment is hilarious.
ChorizoPicozo
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isn't what you just did called "shitposting"?
How can I engage with such delusional stance of yours? I am just left with a good chuckle.
To clarify for you before you venture into more weird territory, this thread was bumped because of a rumor that Fable development was troubled because MS mandated them to make use of a proprietary engine and blocked them off from using Unreal Engine.
This claim is the context of this discussion and not whether you think Callisto protocol made more impressive use of UE than any of MS studios.
I literally clarified for you in the post you’re responding to that statement was made to highlight the fact that they have a significant number of studios using UE for their games and hence are extremely unlikely to have a forced mandate against using third party engines
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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I mean I'm just piggybacking off your own statement of MS making the "heaviest use" of UE which I assume you said to debunk the rumor because the assumption would be that MS had their teams making use of UE already (though specifically WRT Playground doesn't necessarily work because they've already been confirmed as working with a variant of Forzatech for FH5 and assumed they would be using a modified version of that for Fable).
Sure you can say I veered things off a bit, but I acknowledge the rumor, that it exists. I get that. But since my comment piggybacked off yours, and you made a general statement of MS studios and UE as a means to dismiss the rumor, considering the likelihood Playground are in fact using a variation of Forzatech which is a proprietary engine, there's more room to suspect the rumor is true than there is to suspect it's false.
Forzatech as an engine was made for racing games, natural to assume an open-world 3rd-person fantasy WRPG would be having some conflicts with core aspects of an engine not initially built with that type of game in mind, no?
I literally clarified for you in the post you’re responding to that statement was made to highlight the fact that they have a significant number of studios using UE for their games and hence are extremely unlikely to have a forced mandate against using third party engines
Oh so this is about a forced mandate? I don't think I saw that part. Yeah, I agree that a forced mandate against 3P engines from MS would be very weird. But, it could also be that they have a target release timeframe in mind and an engine switch this far into development could cause them to miss that release timeframe.
So it could be a specific instance where the team let's say wants to switch engines, but MS are telling them "No" because a switch would incur a big delay and they need some of these games to actually be completed sooner rather than later after all. This is even more likely if the more laid-back approach was partly because they assumed an acquisition like ABK would come through when in reality it looks like that deal could be falling apart.
Fake
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Fable 1 was great for me at least. Fable 2 and Fable 3 can burn in hell.
CosmicComet
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I only enjoyed the first one.
Two and three absolutely tanked the art style and couldn't take itself seriously.