ChaoticBlue
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this sucks. looks like the complete experience is on pc but i' not a pc gamer. i think i will skip fallout 4 as it is not a RPG anymore anyway. no big deal.
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Face-Off: Fallout 4 - Digital Foundry
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Slangblade
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Read the OP
digoutyoursoul
Member
I am fortunate enough to own both and I look at the games sometimes and question how powerful these machines are. I get the impression profit on the hardware from day one was highest priority this generation
Sure, but You are talking here about different way of rendering shadows.
I agree that there are games with much, much better shadow tech, even on past-gen, but looking at the game in current state, Bethesda couldnt tweak LoD or Shadows higher on PS4 in comparison to Xbone, because those are heavily tied to CPU in current version of Creation Engine.
nelsonroyale
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Skyrim actually looked pretty good for its time all things considering. I don't feel this game is much of an upgrade on consoles from the PC version of Skyrim when it released. Overall, it looks pretty decent but is easily the least impressive game graphically in my current gen collection. This game doesn't seem to be doing much more impressive than previous games in terms of world dynamics...so not much excuse on the 'dynamic world' front.
Kralamoonard
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Read the OP - I linked the article, summarised it, wrote a TL
R of it, with all links to the videos of frame rate/graphics comparisons to inform you.Maybe read the thread you're on before posting
PS2 was pretty much made up of exclusive software, every platform was back then, you couldn't really have many comparisons between versions and each console offered something unique. Now 95% of games are multiplatform so it's easy to see how interchangeable consoles are and version differences matter when things are that way.
The nature of the ps2 and the types of games created for it meant that achieving 60fps was far more feasible. So games could fall behind technically but still run very well. Though the first couple years of PS2 featured some genuinely amazing looking games that outpaced anything on other platforms.
The very first point made in the quoted OP's section says both consoles are at resolution parity.
Read the OP - I linked the article, summarised it, wrote a TL
Maybe read the thread you're on before posting
I did, I just wanted some opinions from Gaf themselves. Consensus is pretty much the same though. I'll just stick with what I have.
I've never had a gaming PC. I wouldn't know the first thing about building one. If I can get one already built and ready sure. Just all the customizing and setting your settings correctly before playing to get the best performance, makes my head hurt just thinking about. I like the ease of consoles... but, maybe one day I'll cave. I see all those steam sales sometimes and I'm like ahhhhhhh.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
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I wasn't aware that the Xone version also runs at 1080p. Very strange for borrowers both to have the same fps performance then.. Anyway I built a Gaming pc recently and it blows the ps4 out of the universe. There no going back.
Shin-Ra
Junior Member
They didn't tweak anything to take advantage so it's impossible to conclude they even tried to.
Remember, we're not talking about a resource starved, tiny indie dev here.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
I know now my bad
ChaoticBlue
Member
ps4 is a beast for a console and GAF approved.
Dictator93
Member
The alpha slowdown on PS4 points to something odd about that memory spec tbh. I am not sure what or how though.
"powerful" ought to be in quotations here. You just need an i3 and a 750Ti in this game: which is basically a bottom of the barrell "gaming" pc.
I have built more powerful word processing systems for people.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Some of the biggest sellers on PS2 were multi though? GTA, Pro Evolution Soccer, Resident Evil, FIFA? It's true the PS2 had a wealth of exclusives but to say it was pretty much made of them? No it wasn't dude surely
Indeed it is!
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Maybe I have yet to enter a certain place, but I have 19 hours on the counter and all I can say is..... stuttering? Crashes? Absolutely not. And this is NOT the Bethesda fanboy speaking, I simply have been fortunate enough to have not had any of those truly bad issues. The one issue I have had is where a NPC talks to me, the dialogue just freezes and he keeps talking.
Kralamoonard
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Did you manage to catch my PM by any chance?
digoutyoursoul
Member
Yet it was weaker than some of the competition. That's my point here, it seems hardware power takes over the games themselves these days even in non DF discussions
When I first started playing, the atmosphere that Bethesda is so well known for sucked me right in. But after a few hours, some of the same old jank started to show through and it really started to feel pretty dated. I am still enjoying it for what it is, but I guess I was just expecting them to make a bigger leap on the new systems.
Kralamoonard
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Many of them were timed though, (in some cases they were timed for a year like GTA), meaning optimization could be focused on that hardware before being ported to other consoles.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
Nah, a beast for its time was the neo geo. PS4 doesn't come even close
Compared to how things are now? Definitely. The machine (as was every console then) was a haven for great third party software not found on other platforms. That's not to say that multiplatform games weren't also incredibly common, but the landscape of exclusive software back then was worlds away from how it is now. That just doesn't happen anymore, when was the last time a third party publisher made a console exclusive that wasn't money-hatted? When console libraries are so similar in the grand scheme of things the differences between which version you're going to buy becomes much more important. Also if you look at the best selling PS2 games the list is dominated by exclusive software.
Kralamoonard
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Don't worry we won't
...at least not yet
But seriously, I'm more surprised at the fact that the consoles aren't running a variable 60fps, even at the 1080p resolution. I know the engine is shoddy and all, but putting that aside and looking purely at the graphics, I reckon the consoles could run it at 1080p60 with some things like AA dialed back (a la MGSV).
for all its shortcomings the game can look stunning in places. but if there's not a huge overhaul for elder scrolls i'll be pissed
digoutyoursoul
Member
Yes, software. That's what I'm saying dude, people went for the games and the library but now it seems like resolution or power takes over everything, even in discussions not related to digital foundry analysis reports.
Crossing Eden
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True.
digoutyoursoul
Member
Yes, you're right dude my bad
Zombie James
Banned
They have absolutely no incentive to change anything. Most gaming media (except for Giantbomb) ignored any and all technical issues while handing out 9s and 10s and many people seem fine to give them a free pass because "it's a Bethesda game, what did you expect?"
What a strange game, visually. Despite the rather low level of technical prowess it's absolutely produced some of my favorite visual moments of the year. Don't really know what it is, maybe the lighting and (I think) the excellent art direction. I'm also one of the lucky ones that's had basically zero technical issues, and it runs rather well downsampled from 1440p on a 970. I'm sad others aren't having the same luck.
RoflHalf the game is missing in the console version
The engine is just crap. Even if they dropped consoles to 720p it wouldn't have mattered, you'd still have many spots with 20fps drops or worse.
At least the PC can brute force the fuck out of it, I guess it will be the ideal place to get Bethesda games on for a while.
That's kind of what I'm saying, the library is so similar between the platforms these days people are looking more towards the differences between versions (which is entirely dependent on power of the platform) to justify/choose their purchases. This kind of thing is a recent development.
The game is actually running okay for me so far. My main problem is with the overall presentation, janky and bugged out animations and terrible characters. A lot of it just seems sloppy, like hardly any progress has been made at all. In fact, some of it seems like a step back.
From what I've read, janky and bugged out are Bethesda trademarks. :/
I'm talking about this:
I don't how someone can say this. If i were to play only the PS4 i would be going 'wtf, were are the shadows in this game' and it would have impacted my experience w\o knowing how the other platforms are. Shadows are non-existent; i don't need to see a PC comparison to recognize it or to realize there's a big flaw in the graphical makeup of the console version.
digoutyoursoul
Member
I hear you. I just think it's a shame somewhat, people are considering a non purchase, how much bigger of a difference do they expect between ps4 and Xbox.
For sure, and I have always been able to overlook such issues before. But the dated tech and jankiness has finally caught up with the times for me. Beyond those issues, I also feel as if the conversation and leveling systems have been changed for the worse.
Oh my bad, thought you were asking for yourself lol.
Yeah it is curious, but I assume DF downplays it because the majority of console players would not notice anyway. Can't miss what you never had.
JetBlackPanda
Member
What does this even mean?
To be fair engine has enormous advantage to the community - moddability with some backward compatibility.
RandomSeed
Member
When two NPCs are scripted to move to each other and talk, it feels like the game is going to crash from a jank.dll runtime error.