geordiemp
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Faster loading (ps5) vs more power (xsx) ?
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Never heard of it, is it a good game ?
skneogaf
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Okay I apologise for the fanatic slur so playstation enthusiast from now on.
Like I said we shall see which was the best way but both are very similar and you're right in that some developers may not be able to get the best out of the xbox but far too many people are saying that the xbox series x is the more powerful so I thought it would be of use to see what some of us preferred when it came to perceived benefits of each system.
Which do you prefer if what I have said was actually correct? Seconds or performance?
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geordiemp
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Performance wise they will be similar is my take, loading will be about 5 x faster on Ps5.
But I await some benchmarks to see how close the performance is. Its not s simple as TF, or clock speeds, or caches.
I will get an XSX down the road if a new evil within pops up.
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skneogaf
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RokkanStoned
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I care more about power, honestly, on face value. Loading is whatever for me, as long as we're not talking 1.01 Bloodborne or Metal Gear Solid 4 levels of loading. I often like the loading screens as means of reflecting over my mistakes and they often additionally punish you for recklessness as in the case of the Soulsborne series. They also give me some mental prep time as I'm starting a game, getting comfortable and building anticipation.
Generally, how much of a difference in either direction is the loading and the power going? Likely not mind blowingly, meaning it doesn't really matter at all.
Generally, how much of a difference in either direction is the loading and the power going? Likely not mind blowingly, meaning it doesn't really matter at all.
iHaunter
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The more power is such a minor difference, that people just don't get it. You'll get far more pop-in on XSX due to slower SSD speed.
the 8% or whatever more power won't suddenly make Miles Morales or Demon's Souls go from 4k/30 to 4k/60. It won't make as big a change as people think it does.
the 8% or whatever more power won't suddenly make Miles Morales or Demon's Souls go from 4k/30 to 4k/60. It won't make as big a change as people think it does.
existensmaximum
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So people still think the whole revolutionary custom IO solution from Sony translates to "slightly faster loading"?
Well, everyone can't understand computer hardware engineering I guess.
Well, everyone can't understand computer hardware engineering I guess.
captainraincoat
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95% of the ps5 and XSX library is going to be third party and they wont take advantage of it.....you have years of PC having SSDs to reference this fact
the only devs that will take advantage will be Sony first parties which have one solution and MS and their first parties which have their own tech
Bottom line is you will most likely load into a 3rd party game a few seconds faster on a ps5 than a XSX
the only devs that will take advantage will be Sony first parties which have one solution and MS and their first parties which have their own tech
Bottom line is you will most likely load into a 3rd party game a few seconds faster on a ps5 than a XSX
VincentMatts
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power is literally always better.
geordiemp
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Well most communication so far has been 1 to 2 seconds Ps5, and 10 + xseconds XSX.
Lets wait and see shall we, we get all the non optimsied for stuff, a bit late for that now I guess.
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Caio
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XSX SSD and Velocity architecture is fast for both streaming and loading times, but PS5 is faster.
PS5 has a very capable combo CPU/GPU, but XSX is more powerful. Shall I care ? Just give me the games which take advantage of these hardware.
The developers will make the difference, I just want to play Spiderman, Gow of War 2, GT7, Forza Horizon 5, The new Fable, Fallout 5, Elder Scrolls VI, new IP from Naughty Dog, Horizon FW, etc.
I would love to see MS helping Bethesda to develop a better Engine for Fallout5, mostly the physics and collision system engine.
PS5 has a very capable combo CPU/GPU, but XSX is more powerful. Shall I care ? Just give me the games which take advantage of these hardware.
The developers will make the difference, I just want to play Spiderman, Gow of War 2, GT7, Forza Horizon 5, The new Fable, Fallout 5, Elder Scrolls VI, new IP from Naughty Dog, Horizon FW, etc.
I would love to see MS helping Bethesda to develop a better Engine for Fallout5, mostly the physics and collision system engine.
BlitzerRadic
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My TV has VRR. All Samsung QLEDs since 2018 have VRR.
FrankWza
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you think just because you don’t see a load screen the game isn’t loading while you’re “playing” ? What about draw distance?
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GymWolf
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And this disprove my point how exactly?
Majority of people still doesn't have vrr compatible tv, so no, vrr is not a definitive solution to shitty framerate or lack of power.
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GymWolf
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I'm perfectly okay with tricks to hide loading times like we do now, i'm still not okay with shaky framerate.
For the draw distance i want to see something concrete in some actual games before pulling my hairs out, also it's not like sex has a slow shitty ssd incapable of doing what ps5 does, and devs always design their games for the lowest common denominator, so basically only sony ps5 exclusive are gonna fully use the ssd inside the console, 95% of third party games are gonna have the same tricks to hide loading in both console.
CrysisFreak
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Not higher draw distance but higher traversal speed is possible.
RoadHazard
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No, those games are possible on incredibly slow HDDs. Obviously. Behind which is some very smart engineering and clever workarounds. If you think going from 50 MB/s to 5.5 GB/s (more after decompression) won't make new things possible (gameplay, world design, etc), and all it will do is make load times shorter, you have very poor imagination.
THE DUCK
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The question really isn't can new things be possible, as it will be on both machines, the bigger question is does it really affect gameplay in a meaningful way. In terms of developers not having to hide levels streaming behind caves, doors, etc, yes, understood, but it applies to both machines, that bottleneck is gone.
So this is where it leaves us with both consoles are capable of next generation load times, why the increased power the GPU is more useful.
RoadHazard
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A game that utilizes the PS5 SSD to its fullest would obviously face issues on XSX. We probably won't see much of that in 3rd party games though (especially since those will also be targeting HDDs for a few more years), so it will be hard to get really good comparisons of this.
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Naked Lunch
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The fact that this is even a question is fucking retarded?
This is the "battleground" that "console wars" are fought on now?
Load times are irrelevant. I dont buy a game because it has quick load times.
I do buy the version of a game that has the better framerate.
The jury is still out on which platform that will be...
This is the "battleground" that "console wars" are fought on now?
Load times are irrelevant. I dont buy a game because it has quick load times.
I do buy the version of a game that has the better framerate.
The jury is still out on which platform that will be...
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THE DUCK
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Not really, as the Series X has 2x real time hardware level decompression, so it's actual bandwidth for loading data is very similar. It's capable of 4.8Gbs throughput vs 5.5Gbs. There is not much difference there.
RoadHazard
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PS5 is capable of 9-17 GB/s after (hardware) decompression. 5.5 GB/s is the raw speed with no compression.
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MilkyJoe
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oldergamer
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How about faster loading and more power?
THE DUCK
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I took a look, looks like they are saying 8-9 GB, not 17GB. My mistake, but does the extra speed actually mean anything in terms of gameplay?
Devs will get more out of the extra bandwidth than they will from the extra compute
RoadHazard
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8-9 GB is with "dumb" compression. But using Oodle Texture compression it can double that. Google it.
Physiognomonics
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But we already had a few demos, one PS4 demo and 2 PS5 demos. Games (PS4 and PS5) load from 0.8sec to 2sec.
The PS4 demo was optimised and the two PS5 demos weren't from boot.
They're impressive, but not quite what I reckon that guy was talking about.
In a world without Series S that power differential would almost certainly win the argument for my money. But with Series S in the mix, I feel strongly that the choice (outside of exclusives of course) is between unprecedented performance gains, and winning Digital Foundry comparisons by the nose.
Iced Arcade
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Oh I only recall seeing the off screen spider-man comparison.
Got some links? Definitely want to check out
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metareferential
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Faster loading is just theoretical, much more than the power differential. Real world performance differences on comparable games (non first party) will be negligeable.
Xbox's bigger gpu will definitely show more (again, only on comparable games).
Xbox's bigger gpu will definitely show more (again, only on comparable games).
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This!
BlitzerRadic
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By your logic, since you say most people have 1080p TVs, then 4k 60fps is off the table and PS5 has plenty of power for 1080p, which in that case faster SSD will be more of a benefit for these users than extra power.
Regardless, VRR is a mitigating solution for end users whereas there is no mitigating solution for slower SSD/IO stack.
Esca
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Normally I'd cost power but with the gap being so small and work diminishing returns I probably won't notice any difference there may be. In the other hand having much faster load times is a big quality of life thing to me for the way I am.
Ultimately until they are out and we have games to compare its to close to say either way till the numbers speak
Ultimately until they are out and we have games to compare its to close to say either way till the numbers speak
GymWolf
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there is no problem to mitigate when 95% ot total games (third party) are gonna use the slower ssd on sex as a baseline, 5 sec of loading instead of 2 sec is not a problem, there is not gonna be any third party game that is gonna have groundbreaking gameplay implications thanks to ps5 ssd because they have to port the game on slower consolles.
I didn't say that 4k60 is off the table (i mean, it probably is because power is not enough but that is another discussion entirely) i said that not many people, most probably the majority are not gonna have a vrr compatible tv in the next 1-2 years and beyond, so yeah for some people is gonna be a solution, but if we talk about a broader spectrum this can't be called a solution.
the extra power doesn't require much work from devs to add a more stable framerate or some minor upgrade to resolution and details (the game already work with ultra setting and unlocked framerate in the pc version), we can't argue about how big these differences are gonna be but i think it's too soon for that.
Physiognomonics
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Lol. So the loadings demos on PS5 were optimized but the XSX demos weren't?
SplunkyMunkey
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Everything is about power to everyone lol. So u have series x that 12.15tf and has split ram 10gig for the fast speed and 6 for the slower. Did a crytek engineer say that due to it being split in ram that its much harder to reach its full tflops?
On the the other hand ps5 with less Cu and slower ram but all unified with a fast io u get more ram to play with and that crytek engineer said despite the power power safer ps5 can maintain its full tflops count compared to the series x?
Tbh further more down the line i believe series x will maintain more of being 4k compared to ps5 but to sheer speed of the io of the ps5 when developers get use to the io solution ps5 wouldnt need 4k as it would able draw in better and higher quality assets where series x will struggle abit as there io solution is much slower
On the the other hand ps5 with less Cu and slower ram but all unified with a fast io u get more ram to play with and that crytek engineer said despite the power power safer ps5 can maintain its full tflops count compared to the series x?
Tbh further more down the line i believe series x will maintain more of being 4k compared to ps5 but to sheer speed of the io of the ps5 when developers get use to the io solution ps5 wouldnt need 4k as it would able draw in better and higher quality assets where series x will struggle abit as there io solution is much slower
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ResilientBanana
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For a console that loads faster, it sure costs a hefty price for admission.
SoraNoKuni
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Minimal gpu advantage which won't make much difference in couch gaming, which consoles mainly target. So yeah, the quite faster ssd is better no doubt.
Except if you get satisfied watching a 500x zoomed image on DF videos.
Except if you get satisfied watching a 500x zoomed image on DF videos.
LooseLips
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Both aspects offer a long-needed boost for the consoles. The options, or rather, possibilities around the speed of the hard drive and that throughput are interesting, however Power is also important, and with the jump in the new 30 series cards, I fear they could both be left lacking after a year or two. Still, it's all not much of a gulf - I'll choose value and the games I want to play... I have both consoles this gen, but I can't see me doing that again. Basically, I'm still on the fence: Neither has a belter of a launch line up at all. Underwhelming.
RoadHazard
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A 17% GPU advantage won't "show" at all in most cases unless you're pixel counting still frames. It's not gonna be anywhere close the resolution differences we see between Pro and XB1X.
geordiemp
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Look at the SSD speed versus the GDDR6 bandwidth
Look at Cache and bandwidth arrangent to feed the CUs on Silicon vs Terraflops.
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