TheTylerRob
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There are literally hundreds of posts on just Gaf with specific answers.
This makes no sense lol
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There are literally hundreds of posts on just Gaf with specific answers.
This makes no sense lol
KidA Seven
Member
That's my problem really. All these changes won't make the game feel different and I feel that is what is needed to win back the competitive fan base. That's something Phenom stated a while back too.
I guess I just didn't feel like the aris comparison was fair, because marn is still marn. Rather aris's situation where introspection happened. And marn is... marn.
Even if you were I wasn't really talking about that I guess. Because that conversation, while we could have it, is long and involves social psychology, and "us against them" mentality thats... unfortunate pretty prevalent in gaming circles. Along with not even being sure you were defedning him, my whole issue was the aris thing. Aris actually did a cool, is all i'm saying.
Like other conversation needs to happen, like NEEDS for a great many reasons, because sometimes people do... very bad things and are still allowed to be around. But that's not the conversation i wanted to have.
Sorry If I made it seem that way
Some people are smart enough not to say or do things in public but that doesn't mean they don't feel a certain way or do certain things behind closed doors. Like a certain player feeling a certain way against gays and LGBT but yet you see him being cool with Ricki at tournaments, etc.
Aris does still feel like people should get use to the old FGC and toughen up but he's smarter about how to convey it and not do something as stupid as sexually harass someone anymore in public at least.
In Marn's defense even though I think he's beyond help unless he goes Rambo and starts saving the thousands of Vietnamese girls that gets kidnapped and put into slavery every year, he hasn't done anything bad per say in the last year or so. And by bad I mean compared to pre-SFV era. SFIV era and before he was definitely a scum.
Aris does still feel like people should get use to the old FGC and toughen up but he's smarter about how to convey it and not do something as stupid as sexually harass someone anymore in public at least.
In Marn's defense even though I think he's beyond help unless he goes Rambo and starts saving the thousands of Vietnamese girls that gets kidnapped and put into slavery every year, he hasn't done anything bad per say in the last year or so. And by bad I mean compared to pre-SFV era. SFIV era and before he was definitely a scum.
Holy Order Sol
Member
they'll never do the shit I'd want anyway so whatever at this point
Rice-Eater
Member
You know I'm with you on this, but I'm sure you also know asking for what is basically a complete overhaul of the game isn't going to happen. That's why I've stuck to my one suggestion and I hesitate to even respond to Karst because I've thrown out my suggestion multiple times this week already and feel like people are sick of hearing it.
However they do it, please weaken the overwhelming pressure in this game. That's my main wish for S3, Super, or whatever they call it.
Probably just repeated what he said here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tY9Z8AqgRQ&t=44s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39pF6-b7LFA
No he was saying this during the CC tournament today. In fact he's on the mic right now.
But you can't link anything if the stream isn't finish. Unlike many people who say the game is just a few things from being great, Champ flat out says it's like the worst fighter ever.
ChamplooJones
Formerly Momotaro
Who would've thought a GG player would ruin SF?
Kappa
Professor Beef
Banned
To be fair, I can't think of many instances where listening to the fans was a good thing.
seriously? if fans weren't vocal we never would have gotten SF4 or SF2 Hyper Fighting
when Capcom did listen by patching up SFxT no one bothered to come back
SFV's issues are super obvious even to a SFs scrub like me:
*Anti airs are bad across the board, only a few characters have good anti airs in the game that aren't just DPs. This makes jumping too good which is a bad thing for SF because it ignores the core footie game.
*Dashes are still too good. This is a bad thing for SF because it ignores the core footsie game.
*Priority system makes it so that you can be out playing someone landing 5-6 medium pokes on them but then one of your medium trades with their CC heavy and they get a full CC. They should really revert this and make it so that trades can still occur like normal so that if you trade against a CC they at least don't get a full combo. This priority system also undermines the core footsie game of SF.
*Hitboxes/hurtboxes on most normals make them not conducive to a good foostie game. It instinctively makes people want to dash/jump in more.
*Game is lacking in a defensive option to counter the throw bait game and pressure on block due to chip. Previous SF games have had an OS to make the throw bait not such a dominant offensive flowchart. And of course previous SF games did not have chip on block. V reversal does not cover these issues enough.
*Fireballs in general are weaker than they should be given the amount of anti fireball tools that characters have in the game. Only Guile can really play a defensive game with fireballs, this hurts the amount of viable play styles in the game.
Most if not all of these issues taken by themselves are not that bad. But together they synergize to create a game that players don't perceive as SF. You improve the game a ton by improving just a few of these issues.
Things like the game not having enough depth/skill cap is an issue Tha cannot be fixed via simple patching, that requires serious additions of new mechanics to the game. But Capcom intended this game to have low skill floor to begin with so this just feels like a conscious design choice that they will probably not budge on.
*Anti airs are bad across the board, only a few characters have good anti airs in the game that aren't just DPs. This makes jumping too good which is a bad thing for SF because it ignores the core footie game.
*Dashes are still too good. This is a bad thing for SF because it ignores the core footsie game.
*Priority system makes it so that you can be out playing someone landing 5-6 medium pokes on them but then one of your medium trades with their CC heavy and they get a full CC. They should really revert this and make it so that trades can still occur like normal so that if you trade against a CC they at least don't get a full combo. This priority system also undermines the core footsie game of SF.
*Hitboxes/hurtboxes on most normals make them not conducive to a good foostie game. It instinctively makes people want to dash/jump in more.
*Game is lacking in a defensive option to counter the throw bait game and pressure on block due to chip. Previous SF games have had an OS to make the throw bait not such a dominant offensive flowchart. And of course previous SF games did not have chip on block. V reversal does not cover these issues enough.
*Fireballs in general are weaker than they should be given the amount of anti fireball tools that characters have in the game. Only Guile can really play a defensive game with fireballs, this hurts the amount of viable play styles in the game.
Most if not all of these issues taken by themselves are not that bad. But together they synergize to create a game that players don't perceive as SF. You improve the game a ton by improving just a few of these issues.
Things like the game not having enough depth/skill cap is an issue Tha cannot be fixed via simple patching, that requires serious additions of new mechanics to the game. But Capcom intended this game to have low skill floor to begin with so this just feels like a conscious design choice that they will probably not budge on.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Reminds me of Justin signing up for MvC3 at every 2017 major only to drop out before pools so that he can "focus on SF5"... then lose in SF5 pools.
That's the thing, there is no easy change they could make. I feel like in general people want a more solid ground game, as in, better defensive options, good footsie tools and fewer 50/50s. You can't just say "remove Crush Counters" or "remove the priority system" and fix everything, it's in the details.
Look at Tokido vs Daigo yesterday: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXHyNECkIwM
Tokido starting off by turning offense to 11. Against Guile.
Back then we didn't have a lot of social media which is why the minority didn't have such a huge voice to drown out the rest. I remember SF4 was disliked (and still is) in many parts of the world.
I think they can change the game with a few small tweaks, nothing major. SFIV took almost 7/8 years to get to where it was and some people still didn't like it so we'll see what they do with SFV as they are in it for the long game (pardon the pun). What is FChump whining about now? lol. I'm not sure if he missed the memo but the season are new characters and just because he doesn't like them doesn't mean others won't.
Good post. For me the defensive options are much needed from that list.
ShinMaruku
Member
ZeroTheShadow
Member
You'd need to change a lot to SFV to make it better. There are just straight up not enough options.
ZeroTheShadow
Member
Wait a second aren't there supposed to be 6 DLC characters this year? It's July and there only 2? Weren't there already 4 out by this time last year? WTF is going on at Capcom?
Smooth Operator
Member
I'll never thank SFV enough for killing SF4.
Akuma, Kolin and Ed are out. They moved Ed to the end of may and never said what would happen to the next one. And they still haven't.
But it's looking like it'll be at the end of july, I guess.
ZeroTheShadow
Member
He was not free. You just bought the Season Pass prior to his release. Because you have a job.
RockTurtle
Member
i just want more comboes MANG
even the ones i can't do!
even the ones i can't do!
sixteen-bit
Member
I downloaded a mod so I never have to see it, lol
Spuck-uk
Banned
Also because he looks better in Tekken 7
sixteen-bit
Member
Its more so , he's just kinda ok.
That's incredible. I just got the shotgun so I'm gonna equip it to my Law.
and no one dares to mock him in T7 cuz he's packing
excellent
As a Miguel main this gif is very important. Awesome.
Well, they wouldn't get a CC anyway because they'd need to be in a counterhit state for that to register. If they could trade it would mean they weren't in start up therefore they can't be counterhit.
I agree with the sentiment, however. CC + the priority system gives too much reward for little risk. Either the timing is off and the heavy trades their heavy or beats their medium/light or the timing is on and they get CC'd. Some buttons, like Rog st.HK, are buttons you should be pushing in most situations.
I'd rather they just make CC normals unsafe as hell so there is thought behind them. Take CC functionality off of normals that are already great.
V is still a much better game than that trash tbh, but gohead start up that revival with your Kappa friends. Kappa
Nostalgia alt Akuma looks better than glossy ass T7 Akuma, and he animations much better as well.
That's his vtriggerand no one dares to mock him in T7 cuz he's packing
He didn't just carry over meter
KidA Seven
Member
The problem is that you don't see that alt Akuma enough. Same with Urien and Guile. I want to see their alts more than their defaults. It sucks. Give me thong Urien all day.
Problem with Akuma is that his good alt costs money. Real money.
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
Thong Urien is fucking terrible.
sixteen-bit
Member
Eww no he does not. His new raging demon animation alone makes him look much better in SFV.
Suit urien is really good, and I generally like better, but the fact that thong urien works with ever costume is dope. You can get super machi man long haired thong urien
I know your sins
Eww no he does not. His new raging demon animation alone makes him look much better in SFV.
One, its art style preference two
the only reason raging demon looks good in V is that you can't see his busted ass face and hairline.
Which brings me to point two, character design preference