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Fighting Games Weekly | January 21-27 | Apologies and Crucifixion
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The joke is anime = games that are 2d air dasher games.
When darkstalkers comes back if it does, that game will be an anime fighter all the way.
And yes Marvel is an anime game
Any game that comes from Darkstalkers heritage is an anime fighter
Yeah, I'm hyped for Darkstalkers.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Fuck Logan, I'm waiting for people to bring Tron back.
Beast Legacy
Member
I miss the Trons, She-Hulks and the occasional Trish.
WesternHeretic
Member
Zero will never win a legitimate major.
slightconfuse
Banned
I'm hope PR Rog has a pocket tron at Evo I will mark out
Ragingnight
Member
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edit because of busaiku
edit because of busaiku
Welp, edited. Not taking any chances even if it isn't.
EDIT: Damnit, exposed by Ragingnight.
EDIT2: My man.
I'm surprised more people don't play Tron. I think she is really fun
Shouta
Member
Buffing everyone that got nerfed or are low-tier would be pretty amusing for the game. System-wise... I don't know if anyone really wants anything changed on that front. I'd actually like Hyper Combos to scale a little bit with the longer combos. Not totally nerf it into the ground but enough that you can't touch of death someone so easily.
Ragingnight
Member
We can bury it. Esports won't find out.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
I don't get it why was that bannable?
Agreed
Rice-Eater
Member
I wondered the same thing, I got back home during top 4 and never saw it go above 29k as well. I was wondering if it reached a higher number earlier. I think it also suffered from the same fate SF4 suffered from last years EVO where people dropped out the later it got.
SCR set new North American viewership records though, can't wait to see if Final Round can push things even further.
Hey Shouta, could you fix the thread title and change it to "Crucifixion?" Yes I am OCD :x
As far as system changes, hypers are fine, TACs are arguably the number 1 thing that need to be changed, they're far too rewarding for no risk. After that, X-Factor values need to be very slightly lowered (any more and XF is useless), and then all the tiny bugs like the round trip glitch which will make the game more of a PITA over time.
TACs are the biggest threat to this game's life and always have been since vanilla came out.
WesternHeretic
Member
https://twitter.com/MrWizardSRK/status/293253513650262017
X-Factor level one is fine. However Vergil killing an entire time in X-Factor level 3 + DT is just looney. Or Doom being able to take out an entire team with 3 Foot dive and 2 reps (no meter even needed) is just stupid.
X-Factor level one is fine. However Vergil killing an entire time in X-Factor level 3 + DT is just looney. Or Doom being able to take out an entire team with 3 Foot dive and 2 reps (no meter even needed) is just stupid.
Reactable TACs (and the removal of TAC infinites) would be fantastic.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Ragingnight
Member
I honestly wished MvC3 was less TOD based. Wished it was more reset base so characters like she-hulk, x-23, ammy, thor and etc can really shine while using all of their toolset.
Vanilla was getting really stale for me as all it came down to was that first touch, build the 2nd meter then follow to DHC glitch into kill. Rinse repeat.
MvC3 is getting pretty fucking close with Vergil, Viper, Zero, Wolverine, and friends.
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O yeah. Buff the SHIT out of TAC counter and nerf the benefit of TAC a tad bit (just no hitstun deteriorating until landing thing)
Vanilla was getting really stale for me as all it came down to was that first touch, build the 2nd meter then follow to DHC glitch into kill. Rinse repeat.
MvC3 is getting pretty fucking close with Vergil, Viper, Zero, Wolverine, and friends.
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O yeah. Buff the SHIT out of TAC counter and nerf the benefit of TAC a tad bit (just no hitstun deteriorating until landing thing)
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Which is funny, because I remember the conventional wisdom for like the first 2 or 3 months on TAC's was "Why the fuck would you ever use those? It's silly!"
Don't remember when that shifted - but it definitely shifted.
Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but I could swear more than a few people were like "This TAC thing is basically worthless - only use it when you feel like styling."
Parallax Scroll
Banned
WesternHeretic
Member
Look at this match.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDgMhcjHQGU
Then look at a UMVC3 match. I wish he can get back to that. I really do.
Vanilla->Ultimate changes made them more useful relative to other options.
Ragingnight
Member
TAC was "useless" when DHC glitch was figured out. Why would you "risk" a TAC for more damage whne you could DHC glitch and kill them?
TAC became really strong when they got rid of DHC glitch and when marlin showed the world doom combos. Now add infinites to the equation and it gets really stupid.
When you got swords, who needs anything else. The one bar oro boros has been stupidly strong in every game its in.
Shouta
Member
Done.
I'd definitely like just a little scaling at the end of some so ToD combos aren't as readily available, especially considering meter gain in the game. It doesn't have to be much but it'd just have to be enough to make 100% killing a character without X-Factor or a reset kind of hard.
Though, I guess tearing the TAC infinites apart might help that a little.
Character buffs would be the most welcome aside from TAC fixes.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Thanks for that.
Ragingnight
Member
Yeah I seen that video before. I was really into the 3s/mvc2 scene way back. Back then its like GOD DAMN YOU GOT OPENED UP.
Now you get the same reaction with just Nova doing the dolphin kick into up/down airdashes.
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Just watching the mvc2 match the other day with Mike Ross and Fchamp reminded me how GOOD mvc2 was. It was clear as day who was the better player in like 2-5 games. In mvc3 you need like 10+ games to figure out who is better.
scytheavatar
Member
Someone didn't see how Apologyman bodied everyone with Skrull/West/Doom....
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
TACs were always a big deal from the first time they showed them because their primary function was a second way to tag to another character, a SUPER safe way in comparison to Marvel 2. On top of that, they made it so they could steal/build meter or increase your damage. That's why to this day so many players (i.e. RDK) hate TACs, and you'll see some players not use them entirely because of how scrubby people feel they are. Others concede because, well it's a game about being cheap and you gotta do what you gotta do for those Ws.
It's a really old GAF meme. I thought it was funny, but I'd rather not take the risk.Damn Stream Chat copy pasta is bannable?
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
When he mentioned "30k" I believe he said, "we're almost at 30k". At the time it was like 29.3k or something. I don't recall him mentioning it again after it went past that.
Do you guys think Kusoru will ever take part in a US Marvel tournament again? Or will US have to hold that L forever?
It seems like everyone has leveled up exponentially since that Final Round. Kusoru might not even make it to top 8 now.
Confused it with the stuff Tetsuo keeps posting on the Stream Monster FB page.
Damn I've seen a 100 variations of 'I'm an expert' meme. Sucks that its bannable now its one of my favorite GAF memes
It seems like everyone has leveled up exponentially since that Final Round. Kusoru might not even make it to top 8 now.
Oh yeah. I've seen that.
Confused it with the stuff Tetsuo keeps posting on the Stream Monster FB page.
Damn I've seen a 100 variations of 'I'm an expert' meme. Sucks that its bannable now its one of my favorite GAF memes
It's Marvel. The series has always been terribly broken. ToDs just make it perfect for current gaming and viewing habits.
Ragingnight
Member
One guy in one tournament. It doesn't prove anything. It didn't prove anything in the past and it doesn't prove anything still.
Even then, that team has full of TOD. Its not like that team is based on resets. The only reset you ever see is after the first combo from skrull to frank (for the level ups). After frank is leveled 4/5 it becomes a TOD match all over again. Every single character on that team could realistically TOD most of the cast.
WesternHeretic
Member
That's my biggest grip with it as well. That's why I personally like what Chris G did with morridoom. Because if he kills the first two characters it's very hard for the last character to derp him out when they can't navigate through soul fist + missiles. (PR Balrog did Derp Chris G out today, but it was with Vergil on point and he happy birthday him with Doom as assist).
However with the other 99% of players sometimes I can't tell who's better. A lot of people thought OMG Itz Andre > CJ before their MM, but to me it was clear CJ was better. Yet I couldn't prove it until they played. Just this weekend we saw Viscant vs CJ and I think everyone agrees Viscant is better yet the score was 7-7 at one point.
Fucking ridiculous. It's like you need a FT15 to prove a point in this game. 3/5 doesn't even do it justice anymore.
A lot of hypers really do a shit ton of damage in the game and that was one of the changes they made from Vanilla to UMVC3 with mashable hypers. That was a really dumb change as hypers like Fatal Claw and Hailstorm do a crap load of damage even at the end of combos.
Hypers should be reduced in damage on a case by case basis. No need nerfing crap hypers like Phantom Dance or Hard Drive for example.
TACs are the #1 problem in the game. Just by making the window larger to counter AND have the color flash before the TAC connects would be a great change and it would make people come up with actual resets. And of course they have to fix the whole hit stun scaling after TACs.
After that would come the character changes. Some characters just need scaling on their normals/specials fixed (Zero/Viper lol 0.3 values) while others probably need more drastic stuff especially the lower half of the cast. I think just nerfing Hidden Missiles would open up the game so much more and make it less "clutter screen with hit boxes and combo breakers".
Hypers should be reduced in damage on a case by case basis. No need nerfing crap hypers like Phantom Dance or Hard Drive for example.
TACs are the #1 problem in the game. Just by making the window larger to counter AND have the color flash before the TAC connects would be a great change and it would make people come up with actual resets. And of course they have to fix the whole hit stun scaling after TACs.
After that would come the character changes. Some characters just need scaling on their normals/specials fixed (Zero/Viper lol 0.3 values) while others probably need more drastic stuff especially the lower half of the cast. I think just nerfing Hidden Missiles would open up the game so much more and make it less "clutter screen with hit boxes and combo breakers".
Ragingnight
Member
Exactly. Thats why I enjoy the shit out of Fchamp and Chris G team. They made a team specifically to nullify how volatile the game is. Other players make team to INCREASE the chances of volatility in their favor. I mean cmon Zero May Cry?
I mean just look at the fucking mixup bee has. Its like 2 50/50 mixup into a TOD. Serious? I mean shit I can be a mediocre player like CJ but if I had a setup like that I'll take tons of games away in a 3/5 setting.
slightconfuse
Banned
Making tac a little easier toncunternwould be nice
How do you nerf missiles? Less of them or less damage?
How do you nerf missiles? Less of them or less damage?
Sorcerer Supreme
Member
It went over 30k during the Apology Man vs. FChamp match if I recall but the stream did hit 30k at one point.
Riposte
Member
I voted for VF5 and Skullgirls. Persona also got an honorable mention. (Didn't play TTT2 and SCV was good, but didn't blow me away.) Good year for fighting games!
Ragingnight
Member
I would personally lower the missile count. It doesn't need to be neared so bad that its totally useless.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
How would you nerf it without making it useless?
Reducing damage wouldn't really do anything since the main point isn't necessarily damage.
Reduce the tracking?
Increase the assist cooldown time?
Reduce the number of missiles when used as an assist?
Zero's standard incoming mix ups with Jam Session makes Bee's mix up look extremely fair and balanced in comparison. It's at least 4-5 50-50s and he can vary them to his needs. All leading to TODs from any confirm. But no Zero even made it into top 8 at SCR. He's the best character in the game. You need more than just set ups and TODs to win in the game.
*If Doom gets hit all missiles disappear.
*Assist cooldown starts after the last missile disappears.
*Decrease missile count by 2.
*Does not OTG while going up (that's so fucking stupid)
This would be a good start. Still a damn good assist.
slightconfuse
Banned
Or doom can sta y on screen longer like strange Bolts assist