Final Fantasy VIII censored on PS4? (other platforms?)

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I lost a lot amount of sentences from refreshing my post lol. Sorry can't type much on phone

Again, you seem to generalize a lot here with your high ground talk. Even opinions had changed since the recent info (Shiva etc.)



What are your opinion with this^^ then? Is it necessary? Or at least logical in your perspective? What are the reasons, is the same "upgrading textures"?
Yawn!!! You have it good if this is all you got. Look up sleeping bag kill or the R rated cut of Dead/Alive(Braindead).
 
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You have google. Look it up yourself.

Also I shouldn't need to explain the concept of "anti-censorship" as a basic principle that some follow.
I think you might need to considering your not familiar with the concept of what censorship is in the first place.
 

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Yawn!!! You have it good if this is all you got. Look up sleeping bag kill or the R rated cut of Dead/Alive(Braindead).
Lol I'm soo not going for a censorship race with you. Like I said, it's not a big of a deal for me.

I just question people who thought there's no attempt for censorship here.
 

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I lost a lot amount of sentences from refreshing my post lol. Sorry can't type much on phone

Again, you seem to generalize a lot here with your high ground talk. Even opinions had changed since the recent info (Shiva etc.)



What are your opinion with this^^ then? Is it necessary? Or at least logical in your perspective? What are the reasons, is the same "upgrading textures"?
The new version looks better, no? That her top has gained a couple of inches has the same relevance to me as her hair losing a similar amount.
This is the definition of a specious complaint to me.

I pre-ordered the remaster and have been enjoying it just the same as I did back in the day. It'd be nice to be able to chat enthusiastically about how the 3x speed boost is such a boon for draw grinding, and how great the game plays, but instead I get to argue about this sillyness...
 
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Lol I'm soo not going for a censorship race with you. Like I said, it's not a big of a deal for me.

I just question people who thought there's no attempt for censorship here.
This is where you confuse me. Do you think censorship is always bad? How is what was shown worse than the original? How do we know WHAT the thinking was? Was it Sony or Square? Why does anybody give a shit?
 

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The new version looks better, no? That her top has gained a couple of inches has the same relevance to me as her hair losing a similar amount.
This is the definition of a specious complaint to me.

I pre-ordered the remaster and have been enjoying it just the same as I did back in the day. It'd be nice to be able to chat enthusiastically about how the 3x speed boost is such a boon for draw grinding, and how great the game plays, but instead I get to argue about this sillyness...
Got it. You though it wasn't that much of a deal, I thought it was lame. Maybe that could be like a complaint to you but I'm okay with that.

I still bought the game too (haven't start it playing though). Maybe hop in to the OT thread and make some noises? It will be nice indeed.
 
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You clearly meant to send that to yourself. Do better, mate.
Really? I know you are, but what am I? What even is anti-censorship? Are you completely against the act of censoring even if the creator thinks it might need a bit of censoring? Or is it when its brought to your attention that's when you have an opinion?
 

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This is where you confuse me. Do you think censorship is always bad? How is what was shown worse than the original? How do we know WHAT the thinking was? Was it Sony or Square? Why does anybody give a shit?
I don't know mate. Actually I don't give a shit anymore. Just thought it was a lame effort to "cover things up".

Like I said, why change if it's not necessary?
 

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When has censorship NOT been normalized?

Edit: FYI I need you all to not like the original God of War. Cyclops dick got cut so the original vision was compromised.
I mean censorship of everything. Body parts, language, etc. If you support that then you're just as bad.

It's not about keeping the original vision, it's about principle. Nice strawman, though.
 
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I don't know mate. Actually I don't give a shit anymore. Just thought it was a lame effort to "cover things up".

Like I said, why change if it's not necessary?
It looked like a 70s era untamed porno Bush with or without the update that's why change it.
A lame attempt would have been removing or replacing which would have been more work, so add a few textures and make it look like a complete skirt. Win/Win until anti-SJW get a whiff.
 
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I mean censorship of everything. Body parts, language, etc. If you support that then you're just as bad.

It's not about keeping the original vision, it's about principle. Nice strawman, though.
What strawman? You said censorship will be normalized and I asked when hasn't it.
Are you familiar with stawmen?
 

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I think this whole thing is ridiculous on both sides. The censorship is going to the extreme for no real reason. The people complaining about it are just as ridiculous as it is barely noticeable and really does not matter.
 
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I think this whole thing is ridiculous on both sides. The censorship is going to the extreme for no real reason. The people complaining about it are just as ridiculous as it is barely noticeable and really does not matter.
How are both sides equal when its both
barely noticeable and extreme?
 
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Really? I know you are, but what am I? What even is anti-censorship? Are you completely against the act of censoring even if the creator thinks it might need a bit of censoring? Or is it when its brought to your attention that's when you have an opinion?
You know full well what anti-censorship means and entails. Why are you continuing to push this childish act that you don't know what is so blatantly obvious?

However, since it seems everything needs to be spelled out for you: I am referring to your continued projection and trolling. The thinly veiled antagonism you have shown, pretending to be polite - blatant sealioning. Your claims that others don't know what censorship is? Clear projection.

I will reiterate: It is blatant, obvious, and it must be a very slow day at Era for you to come back here and try to troll in such a manner.

At least with other users, they *attempt* something original with their trolling, hence why I asked you to do better.
 
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Got it. You though it wasn't that much of a deal, I thought it was lame. Maybe that could be like a complaint to you but I'm okay with that.

I still bought the game too (haven't start it playing though). Maybe hop in to the OT thread and make some noises? It will be nice indeed.
If it hadn't been pointed out to me, I wouldn't have noticed. I mean its not like Rinoa's (non-)cleavage is the focal point of her design or any of her scenes. I mean if it was Tifa, it'd be different because the chibi design of FF7 always exaggerated her boobs. FF8 though, everyone is more or less naturally proportioned.

The real point here is that sometimes people take offence where none is intended. I think everyone is capable of this, but sadly most when challenged on this just double-down on the perceived slight, rather than simply admitting that maybe they'd made more of fuss than was deserved.

Trouble is these days people online have a battery of faux-ethical excuses for doing this online. "Dismissing concerns" and the like.
 
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You know full well what anti-censorship means and entails. Why are you continuing to push this childish act that you don't know what is so blatantly obvious?

However, since it seems everything needs to be spelled out for you: I am referring to your continued projection and trolling. The thinly veiled antagonism you have shown, pretending to be polite - blatant sealioning. Your claims that others don't know what censorship is? Clear projection.

I will reiterate: It is blatant, obvious, and it must be a very slow day at Era for you to come back here and try to troll in such a manner.

At least with other users, they *attempt* something original with their trolling, hence why I asked you to do better.
Wow! You definitely get a golf clap for that. I was genuinely trying to be polite and well mannered but what I just got out of you was fuck all that.

The snowflake dream of no censorship that you're hoping for will never exist. I and many others have known this for decades and you using cute internet slurs wont change that. This "Fight" you think you're on is a sham and distraction. Textures on a crotch mean absolutely nothing when ideas get omitted. Where were you for Xenosaga? How do you feel about the movie The Hunt being completely shelved because of anti-SJW hysteria?
 

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How are both sides equal when its both
barely noticeable and extreme?
The censors for even censoring it is just going way to far. I mean go to beach or even the mall and you may see more than what they censored in this game.

People complaining are just as bad as the changes made are noticeable if you are really looking but they are pretty minor.

I am on the side of it should not have been censored in the first place but I see the complaints as petty. IMO
 

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I cant believe you have been discussing censored textures in a old and ugly as fuck game

:messenger_tears_of_joy:u guys are nuts
 
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The censors for even censoring it is just going way to far. I mean go to beach or even the mall and you may see more than what they censored in this game.

People complaining are just as bad as the changes made are noticeable if you are really looking but they are pretty minor.

I am on the side of it should not have been censored in the first place but I see the complaints as petty. IMO
Can you give me an example of censoring just to censor? I only ask because censoring only ever seems to be done for a reason, even if you or I find it ridiculous. And it usually happens to avoid controversy as a starting point.
 

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To be fair, they are just keeping up with the times.

I mean, it is 2019.

She is obviously shaved, just like 99.99999% of real life females these days.

The wings are metaphor for labia.
Actually, bushes have been coming back in style the last couple years. (well maintained ones)
 

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So the ethics department of these companies (I think the Playstation one relocated to San Francisco *wink wink*) have to comply to new rating standards. The irony of all this, is that the people leading this new puritan crusade are probably furries and Zoe Quinn types who go on their lives sucking everyone's dicks (literally) and way more extreme stuff (I would encourage you to look into the furry fandom but I'm afraid you would get PTSD so don't). They also probably cheer when they see a head a guts flying all over the place but they pretend to freak out when they see a side boob. Like all puritans, they are a bunch of hypocrites that want to micromanage sexuality and mold everyone and everything to their standards, they are not really concerned with harm to others or anything like that but with controlling people's lives and thoughts, that's what really gets them off, power.
 
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Stop with this censoring bullshit!!

Enough is enough

God, bowdlerizing things used to be contemptuous..... for good reason . why is it increasingly being acceptable now?
 

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Just found this message on twitter a moment ago. It may be a silly thing to argue about, but... censoring a 20 year old game?

Actually happens all the time with remasters, companies change over the years. Look at what SEGA did with Yakuza 3 remaster.

Times change.

This isn't actually anything new and I don't even know if I can say its "censoring" as no one is making Square do this by force as some law, they are just doing it themselves.... When you voluntarily do something its not called censorship.
 
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Actually happens all the time with remasters, companies change over the years. Look at what SEGA did with Yakuza 3 remaster.

Times change.

This isn't actually anything new and I don't even know if I can say its "censoring" as no one is making Square do this by force as some law, they are just doing it themselves.... When you voluntarily do something its not called censorship.
Self-censorship is still censorship. They are censoring a rerelease of an old product, that is censorship.
 

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Actually happens all the time with remasters, companies change over the years. Look at what SEGA did with Yakuza 3 remaster.
Times change.
This isn't actually anything new and I don't even know if I can say its "censoring" as no one is making Square do this by force as some law, they are just doing it themselves.... When you voluntarily do something its not called censorship.
lol, literally a gradeschoolers idea of censorship
 

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lol, literally a gradeschoolers idea of censorship
No. He's right and you are wrong.

You are projecting. There's no evidence to prove that any change was made for anything other than artistic/creative purposes. It just happens to fit into a pre-existing narrative for you.
 
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No. He's right and you are wrong.

You are projecting. There's no evidence to prove that any change was made for anything other than artistic/creative purposes. It just happens to fit into a pre-existing narrative for you.
Provide a reason as to why he is wrong. Self-censorship is still inherently censorship. They are taking a previously released game and censoring models/original designs in its re-release. That is still censorship you dingus.
 
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No. He's right and you are wrong.

You are projecting. There's no evidence to prove that any change was made for anything other than artistic/creative purposes. It just happens to fit into a pre-existing narrative for you.
boo hoo, you're salty you got laughed at when you called yourself 'rational centrist'
atleast you made EDMIX EDMIX read my comment thanks, he put me on ignore the last time I told him he's full of it and pretending it doesn't smell
 
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Actually happens all the time with remasters, companies change over the years. Look at what SEGA did with Yakuza 3 remaster.

Times change.

This isn't actually anything new and I don't even know if I can say its "censoring" as no one is making Square do this by force as some law, they are just doing it themselves.... When you voluntarily do something its not called censorship.
It is still fundamentally censorship when the original product is modified for rather silly reasons such as "getting with the times". "Times change" is an Appeal to Novelty fallacy. You don't just make changes for the sake of changing things.

boo hoo, you're salty you got laughed at when you called yourself 'rational centrist'
atleast you made EDMIX EDMIX read my comment thanks, he put me on ignore the last time I told him he's full of it and pretending it doesn't smell
He's pretty much ignoring people who disagree with him. That says a lot about his confidence in his own arguments and how he rather takes the easy and lazy way out.
 
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It is still fundamentally censorship when the original product is modified for rather silly reasons such as "getting with the times". "Times change" is an Appeal to Novelty fallacy. You don't just make changes for the sake of changing things.


He's pretty much ignoring people who disagree with him. That says a lot about his confidence in his own arguments and how he rather takes the easy and lazy way out.
He is a blatant troll and "PCMasterRace". Most people have realized this and learned not to take him seriously.
 

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But they didn't change Shiva at all, my guess is this isn't censorship but some of the original design work looked a bit weird when upscaled so they took a bit of artistic licence, it's not really clear what the original designers intention was for that crouch area, but the feathers probably look better than a high-res merkin.

Rhinoa's top also looks fine, her boobs would have been around her waist if you take the original texture work seriously. Plus she's classy, not like that trailer trash Tifa.

Don't get me wrong, if they put clothes on Shiva my jimmies would be rustled, but these changes honestly feel like they are just part of the HD treatment rather than an agenda.