Final Fantasy VIII censored on PS4? (other platforms?)

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Just let artists express themselves. If you don't like it, don't buy the game, and don't try to change something you don't like. Let others have the freedom to enjoy it if they so desire.
 
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This is one of the stupidest threads I've seen in a while. The outcries over "censorship" is getting ridiculous.

Square changed a summon model up slightly. It looks better if anything. No one is forcing them to do it to "protect the children". There's no bigger picture here.

We complain about the SJWs looking desperately for things to get outraged over. This isn't any different honestly.
Everyone is looking for something to be outraged over.

People love to use their own blind sense of righteousness to justify their personal outrages, oblivious to the fact that they're guilty of exactly the same behaviour they're criticising others for - hyper-sensitivity.
 
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This is one of the stupidest threads I've seen in a while. The outcries over "censorship" is getting ridiculous.

Square changed a summon model up slightly. It looks better if anything. No one is forcing them to do it to "protect the children". There's no bigger picture here.

We complain about the SJWs looking desperately for things to get outraged over. This isn't any different honestly.
Its just sad how they put far more effort on censoring stuff than fixing the og PC release.
 

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Its just sad how they put far more effort on censoring stuff than fixing the og PC release.
Look at what they changed. They didn't spend a ton of effort. It's a minimal change to fix something that looks much more like something that it was never meant to be now that the graphics have been up-resed.

I don't think Square ever meant for it to look like they had naked women with hairy bushes in their original game. But in HD, it really does look like that.

Last I checked, FF8 isn't rated M anyways.

I'm sorry, but this is such a stupid hill to die on.
 

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Look at what they changed. They didn't spend a ton of effort. It's a minimal change to fix something that looks much more like something that it was never meant to be now that the graphics have been up-resed.

I don't think Square ever meant for it to look like they had naked women with hairy bushes in their original game. But in HD, it really does look like that.

Last I checked, FF8 isn't rated M anyways.

I'm sorry, but this is such a stupid hill to die on.
....No?

Square always had done half-naked creature designs. We got LOTS of censored sprites in previous games as well.
The only thing that is correct about your assumption is that the summon wasn't changed for the western release because it wasn't so obvious in low res 3d.

And censorship is censorship. Nothing little about it.
 
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Spoiler: I'm guessing Ultemecia is gonna look different too.......I was just a teenager but I do remember nipples.
 

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The how and why is paramount in determining whether a change is, in actuality, censorship.
The rightful owner of a work has the right to alter their own work.
 

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I mean I kinda understand.
It was a gold leaf but maybe under the HD process they just couldn't get it to look not like a blonde muff?
 
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Just let artists express themselves. If you don't like it, don't buy the game, and don't try to change something you don't like. Let others have the freedom to enjoy it if they so desire.
This.
And Square doing this to their own game? Absolutely shameful, FF8 is fucking history.
 

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This is one of the stupidest threads I've seen in a while. The outcries over "censorship" is getting ridiculous.

Square changed a summon model up slightly. It looks better if anything. No one is forcing them to do it to "protect the children". There's no bigger picture here.

We complain about the SJWs looking desperately for things to get outraged over. This isn't any different honestly.
Your characterization of not being forced is a bit incorrect. Companies are doing whatever they can to not have to do additional work to get their game approved by Sony. The approval office is located in the United States, which Japanese developers now have to interact with for approval. A process which has both dumbfounded and led to serious confusion for Japanese devs that don’t speak English.
 

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Your characterization of not being forced is a bit incorrect. Companies are doing whatever they can to not have to do additional work to get their game approved by Sony. The approval office is located in the United States, which Japanese developers now have to interact with for approval. A process which has both dumbfounded and led to serious confusion for Japanese devs that don’t speak English.
So if SquareEnix changed the game on Switch, PS4 and Xbox One, it is Sony's fault? Alright, then
 

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So if SquareEnix changed the game on Switch, PS4 and Xbox One, it is Sony's fault? Alright, then
Wasn't it part of some leak that one of the demands of Sony was that the games be censored on all platforms so that they can cover their asses and pretend like it's not their fault?
 
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Where was this said? Source please.
Good luck trying to make sense of any of this. I'm still trying to figure out how people think the things they think aren't censored weren't censored. But I guess video nasties escape most of them or maybe unrated cuts are just new footage.

Edit: I'm sure E.T upset them also, even if it fit the movie better.
 
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This topic is Ree-worthy. Christ Almighty.

Pages of catastrophizing and handwringing over the most trivial infraction imaginable, all backed with paranoid notions that its part of some nefarious plot to social engineer gamers and gaming.... Sound familiar at all?

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This topic is Ree-worthy. Christ Almighty.

Pages of catastrophizing and handwringing over the most trivial infraction imaginable, all backed with paranoid notions that its part of some nefarious plot to social engineer gamers and gaming.... Sound familiar at all?

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You should look in the mirror before you make claims like that. Your post is the most ree-worthy thing in this entire thread. How about, instead of bitching that others have principles they stand by, you actually get some?
 
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This topic is Ree-worthy. Christ Almighty.

Pages of catastrophizing and handwringing over the most trivial infraction imaginable, all backed with paranoid notions that its part of some nefarious plot to social engineer gamers and gaming.... Sound familiar at all?

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it does, you I mean
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sorry Clear, shitting out "u jus as BAD"'s at the drop of a hat makes you really disingenous, and the only person your callout shames is yourself, because it's that transparent
 
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You should look in the mirror before you make claims like that. Your post is the most ree-worthy thing in this entire thread. How about, instead of bitching that others have principles they stand by, you actually get some?
Since you seem well versed on this ree thing, by all means tell me the principles and non bitching(trivial) you live by. I'd prefer a non slippery slope or freedom(liberty) arguement please.
 

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This topic is Ree-worthy. Christ Almighty.

Pages of catastrophizing and handwringing over the most trivial infraction imaginable, all backed with paranoid notions that its part of some nefarious plot to social engineer gamers and gaming.... Sound familiar at all?

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U-huh. I really need more clarification. Until then, bad shitpost.
 
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U-huh. I really need more clarification. Until then, bad shitpost.
Is this a shitpost because it said how the person felt with an explanation that went against your opinion or because it had words that amounted to nothing? I await your answer.
 

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sorry Clear, shitting out "u jus as BAD"'s at the drop of a hat makes you really disingenous, and the only person your callout shames is yourself, because it's that transparent
Yeah, I'm a filthy "centrist" aren't I, for trying to inject a note of rationality! Very Resetera again.
 

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Is this a shitpost because it said how the person felt with an explanation that went against your opinion or because it had words that amounted to nothing? I await your answer.
It said the same thing that previous posts had been saying since, and this thread is not an echo chamber either, everyone had their own opinions. Even clear cut conflicting ones.

Why not some suggestions for the case, or maybe some examples instead of, you know.. bad shitpost? It's not like a shitpost is bad itself either, it just doesn't add much to the conversation.
 
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Yeah, I'm a filthy "centrist" aren't I, for trying to inject a note of rationality! Very Resetera again.
*waaah* people are seeing through me, better claim 'me am razionale centrum'

Clear, shitting out you "jus' as bad" with "u liek complain" being a checkmark is literally a meme, see macro

willing or delusional, you are very far from and very obviously not anything you claim to be

everyone with a brain sees that
 
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It said the same thing that previous posts had been saying since, and this thread is not an echo chamber either, everyone had their own opinions. Even clear cut conflicting ones.

Why not some suggestions for the case, or maybe some examples instead of, you know.. bad shitpost? It's not like a shitpost is bad itself either, it just doesn't add much to the conversation.
The thread is a bit of an echo chamber.....censorship bad, but suggestions have also been made. If Siren is truly the issue, what makes a handful of textures this big of a deal? And I reiterate, please explain without the slippery slope argument.
 
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*waaah* people are seeing through me, better claim 'me am razionale centrum'

Clear, shitting out you "jus' as bad" with "u liek complain" being a checkmark is literally a meme, see macro

willing or delusional, you are very far from and very obviously not anything you claim to be

everyone with a brain sees that
This isn't a redundant shitpost? I'm really trying to wrap my head around all this.
 
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The thread is a bit of an echo chamber.....censorship bad, but suggestions have also been made. If Siren is truly the issue, what makes a handful of textures this big of a deal? And I reiterate, please explain without the slippery slope argument.
It's not a big deal in my opinion in this case. It just adds to the whole censorship fad that had been going on. Also, if it's not a big of a deal, then why bother to make changes? Why change at all? Clearly there's some stance had been made here.

Still, hostile much with your 'slippery slope argument'? Relax a bit.
 
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give me back my golden pubes =(
To be fair, they are just keeping up with the times.

I mean, it is 2019.

She is obviously shaved, just like 99.99999% of real life females these days.

The wings are metaphor for labia.
 
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It's not a big deal in my opinion in this case. It just adds to the whole censorship fad that had been going on. Also, if it's not a big of a deal, then why bother to make changes? Why change at all? Clearly there's some stance had been made here.

Still, hostile much with your 'slippery slope argument'? Relax a bit.
How is calmly asking for the slippery slope argument not to be used hostile? I could see I said "you dumb fuck cant use that" an issue.
What I'm trying to get at is you've been handed censored content, in one form or another, your entire life. How you feel about it is on you, my issue is that 90% of the time you dont even know it or you do and dont care.
 

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It said the same thing that previous posts had been saying since, and this thread are not an echo chamber either, everyone had their own opinions. Even clear cut conflicting ones.

Why not some suggestions for the case, maybe some example instead of, you know.. bad shitpost? It's not like a shitpost is bad itself either, it just doesn't add much to the conversation.
What can I say, the main changes made in this remaster are that all the character assets have been upgraded with more detailed ones than the original. Yet the insinuation has been made that they've gone in and specifically targetted a couple of textures for reasons of censorship?

Does that sound plausible or rational, especially when other things of equal prominence and "explicitness" have been left unchanged, e.g Shiva?

The reality is that if you start acting like "everything my side says is right, because we stand for the right values", you are already up fucked river. That's ResetEra in a nutshell, and I'd hate to see this place get sucked into becoming a political mirror-image of that.

I've probably more anti-censorship than most people arguing with me (that's what happens when you grow up in 80's Britain where we had *real* censorship issues to contend with) but that isn't to say I'm going to join every "anti censorship" protest every time it comes up. If I find it to be specious or silly, I'm going to argue that to be the case, because (1) I'm not an ideological drone, (2) I feel that bad "allies" are more damaging to the cause than opponents most of the time, and (3) stupid is just stupid. It'd be hypocritical of me to ignore or handwave it off whilst criticising my actual ideological opponents (PC-zealots. Identitarians, etc) for the same fallacious thinking and bad behavior.
 
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What can I say, the main changes made in this remaster are that all the character assets have been upgraded with more detailed ones than the original. Yet the insinuation has been made that they've gone in and specifically targetted a couple of textures for reasons of censorship?

Does that sound plausible or rational, especially when other things of equal prominence and "explicitness" have been left unchanged, e.g Shiva?

The reality is that if you start acting like "everything my side says is right, because we stand for the right values", you are already up fucked river. That's ResetEra in a nutshell, and I'd hate to see this place get sucked into becoming a political mirror-image of that.

I've probably more anti-censorship than most people arguing with me (that's what happens when you grow up in 80's Britain where we had *real* censorship issues to contend with) but that isn't to say I'm going to join every "anti censorship" protest every time it comes up. If I find it to be specious or silly, I'm going to argue that to be the case, because (1) I'm not an ideological drone, (2) I feel that bad "allies" are more damaging to the cause than opponents most of the time, and (3) stupid is just stupid. It'd be hypocritical of me to ignore or handwave it off whilst criticising my actual ideological opponents (PC-zealots. Identitarians, etc) for the same fallacious thinking and bad behavior.
Growing up in 80s Britain i guess you know full well what a video nasty is and how trivial this all sounds in the grand scheme of censorship? How'd your copy of Evil Dead look?
 

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How is calmly asking for the slippery slope argument not to be used hostile? I could see I said "you dumb fuck cant use that" an issue.
What I'm trying to get at is you've been handed censored content, in one form or another, your entire life. How you feel about it is on you, my issue is that 90% of the time you dont even know it or you do and dont care.
You are "sealioning". Blatantly.
 
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How is calmly asking for the slippery slope argument not to be used hostile? I could see I said "you dumb fuck cant use that" an issue.
What I'm trying to get at is you've been handed censored content, in one form or another, your entire life. How you feel about it is on you, my issue is that 90% of the time you dont even know it or you do and dont care.
Fair enough.

I don't understand the point of your 2nd paragraph still. Does anything censored handed to me had changed? Is it a necessary change? I don't know.
 

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Growing up in 80s Britain i guess you know full well what a video nasty is and how trivial this all sounds in the grand scheme of censorship? How'd your copy of Evil Dead look?
I was actually working in a shop around that time, so I got to see the Video Nasty furore up close and personal. What most people don't know is how utterly chaotic it was pre-VRA. Every week we'd be scanning video trade weekly for which films were on the DPP list that week, and pulling them off the shelves, putting them back up again, all the while renting bootlegs and hardcore porn to regulars from behind the counter.

Fun times, then VRA happened and it all went to shit overnight...
 
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Fair enough.

I don't understand the point of your 2nd paragraph still. Does anything censored handed to me had changed? Is it a necessary change? I don't know.
Not much to understand. Is the thing the watch or played what was originally envisioned? No will be the answer a majority of the time.

Edit: the clarity for the 2nd paragraph if it helped.
 
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What can I say, the main changes made in this remaster are that all the character assets have been upgraded with more detailed ones than the original. Yet the insinuation has been made that they've gone in and specifically targetted a couple of textures for reasons of censorship?

Does that sound plausible or rational, especially when other things of equal prominence and "explicitness" have been left unchanged, e.g Shiva?

The reality is that if you start acting like "everything my side says is right, because we stand for the right values", you are already up fucked river. That's ResetEra in a nutshell, and I'd hate to see this place get sucked into becoming a political mirror-image of that.

I've probably more anti-censorship than most people arguing with me (that's what happens when you grow up in 80's Britain where we had *real* censorship issues to contend with) but that isn't to say I'm going to join every "anti censorship" protest every time it comes up. If I find it to be specious or silly, I'm going to argue that to be the case, because (1) I'm not an ideological drone, (2) I feel that bad "allies" are more damaging to the cause than opponents most of the time, and (3) stupid is just stupid. It'd be hypocritical of me to ignore or handwave it off whilst criticising my actual ideological opponents (PC-zealots. Identitarians, etc) for the same fallacious thinking and bad behavior.
I lost a lot amount of sentences from refreshing my post lol. Sorry can't type much on phone.

Again, you seem to generalize a lot here with your high ground talk. Even opinions had changed since the recent info (Shiva etc.)



What are your opinion with this^^ then? Is it necessary? Or at least logical in your perspective? What are the reasons, is it the same old "upgrading textures" excuse?
 
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I was actually working in a shop around that time, so I got to see the Video Nasty furore up close and personal. What most people don't know is how utterly chaotic it was pre-VRA. Every week we'd be scanning video trade weekly for which films were on the DPP list that week, and pulling them off the shelves, putting them back up again, all the while renting bootlegs and hardcore porn to regulars from behind the counter.

Fun times, then VRA happened and it all went to shit overnight...
Being an yank growing up in Cali, bootlegs fro downtown L.A was what my dad raised me and my brother on. The grindhouse cinema was another. This all screams of snowflake to me since entire films were hidden from me.
 

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I'm not familiar with your terminology so I'm gonna need you to explain this ridiculous term to me since what I was asking got ignored.
You have google. Look it up yourself.

Also I shouldn't need to explain the concept of "anti-censorship" as a basic principle that some follow.