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[Femmeworth]

Fire Emblem is slowly crawling deeper into that creepy otaku hole.

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[ryseing]

I like the mix of resigned obligation and denial in this post.

I love the series too much. Hell, I bought a 3DS just for Awakening.

I'm going to buy both games and whatever DLC comes out, despite my many issues with what we have seen so far. It's Fire Emblem.

 

[Laughing Banana]

I feel like many heads will explode when they find out that the word "Otaku" can also be applied to people who obsess about certain stuff that goes beyond "creepy virgin nerds that masturbates to anime girls"

In fact, a great many of us here in GAF can be rightfully classified as an Otaku Just how look at the great many wars we have in there over that one pixel! Hahaha.

 

[Entryhazard]

As usual some people are too arrogant to get past some oddities and will lose out on good content.

But this isn't my problem as I'm going to play it anyway

 

[Busaiku]

I really hope NoA doesn't do something stupid and cut this.

 

[Sakura]

It's optional, but it matters anyway.

It's pandering to a certain kind of audience that's not part of what "Fire Emblem" is. Waifus, ok... pairing was cool, it helped the game, and it wasn't that bad. The worst you'd get is a confession scene and it was mostly totally innocent. I defend that part of the game despite finding it odd for FE all the time. This is like adding something on the raunchy side to an otherwise innocent game. It's not about using it, it's about the sanctity and expectations for the franchise being muddled and disrespected by asinine otaku nonsense.

You don't get to define what Fire Emblem is...
And what is raunchy about touching someone's face? This is ridiculous. You don't even know what the characters are saying during these interactions.
I mean, when people get upset over the loli petting games that come out on the Vita, I get it... but 'oh my god you are touching someones face and they blushed don't put this raunchy otaku pandering shit in MY Fire Emblem!' seems a little too far on the other end...

 

[Sgt.Pepper]

I feel like many heads will explode when they find out that the word "Otaku" can also be applied to people who obsess about certain stuff that goes beyond "creepy virgin nerds that masturbates to anime girls"

In fact, a great many of us here in GAF can be rightfully classified as an Otaku Just how look at the great many wars we have in there over that one pixel! Hahaha.

Maybe in Japan, but overseas usage is pretty clear.

 

[Laughing Banana]

I really hope NoA doesn't do something stupid and cut this.

Or did stuff like Tharja's swimsuit censor (which makes it actually more sexual than before the censor... wait, is this a good thing or not? Hahaha)

Maybe in Japan, but overseas usage is pretty clear.

I find all the kind of people who are obsessive over that one pixel thing as something that is not less whacky than the meaning in the "overseas usage" of the term Otaku itself, actually.

But to each their own *shrugs*

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

I really hope NoA doesn't do something stupid and cut this.

Personally I'm hoping Intelligent Systems realizes how ridiculous it is and it's dropped by the final game.

Don't think it should be in this series period. Don't care if that makes me come across as stubborn, it's creepy, and probably will veer towards being more demeaning for women characters since I imagine their reactions will be less subtle and more submissive.

And what is raunchy about touching someone's face? This is ridiculous. You don't even know what the characters are saying during these interactions.

Please, stop.

This is just like every Moe thread where the usual suspects pretend like everyone else is the weirdoes for seeing something that isn't "there". You know, I don't mind you defending it, but I wish you wouldn't beat around the bush and pretend there's nothing sexual about it.

 

[Busaiku]

That would be cute.

I think this is my fetish.

 

[Maintenance]

and probably will veer towards being more demeaning for women characters since I imagine their reactions will be less subtle and more submissive.

So you've seen the final game then?

 

[Fbh]

The face touching and hot spring stuff looks terrible.
But, honestly, as long as it's optional I really don't care. The franchise was dying, if pandering to the waifu/husbando crowd with optional stuff gives them those extra sales to keep it going then that's fine.

Awakening was very enjoyable despite all of that. As long as this one is just as good I'm good.

Spoiler

Sigh, There's tottaly going to be a 10 years old girl you can rub and then see half naked in the hot springs. But it's "going to be ok" because she is a 10.000 years old dragon

 

[Busaiku]

Spoiler

Sigh, There's tottaly going to be a 10 years old girl you can rub and then see half naked in the hot springs. But it's "going to be ok" because she is a 10.000 years old dragon

Nowi was like half naked all the time though.

 

[Mauricio_Magus]

Personally I'm hoping Intelligent Systems realizes how ridiculous it is and it's dropped by the final game.

Don't think it should be in this series period. Don't care if that makes me come across as stubborn, it's creepy, and probably will veer towards being more demeaning for women characters since I imagine their reactions will be less subtle and more submissive.



Please, stop.

This is just like every Moe thread where the usual suspects pretend like everyone else is the weirdoes for seeing something that isn't "there". You know, I don't mind you defending it, but I wish you wouldn't beat around the bush and pretend there's nothing sexual about it.

I really don't think they will take it out, they've gone all in with Sauna and face rubbing, there's no coming back now.

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

So you've seen the final game then?

No, but I think it's pretty clear the female characters are going to be sexualized more so overall than the male characters looking at their designs, just like how it was in Awakening.

 

[ZSeba]

Yeah, not a fan as well, I just hope this is as far as they go with the waifu crap.

 

[Laughing Banana]

Please, stop.

This is just like every Moe thread where the usual suspects pretend like everyone else is the weirdoes for seeing something that isn't "there". You know, I don't mind you defending it, but I wish you wouldn't beat around the bush and pretend there's nothing sexual about it.

I give you that 1000 years old Dragon that looked like 12 years old is creepy (no one can deny that, and it's such an unfortunate thing in Awakening), but I just find this particular face-rubbing thing as cute.

Especially considering you can do it with guys too.

Guess my brain is just wired differently than yours, and nothing wrong with that, and no need to ask others to "stop" voicing their opinion regarding the matter.

No, but I think it's pretty clear the female characters are going to be sexualized more so overall than the male characters looking at their designs, just like how it was in Awakening.

This is not a popular opinion I imagine, but IMO it is no worse than than the old school Fire Emblem. I mean, just take a look at Lyndis' design in FE7, I mean damn.

 

[Fbh]

Nowi was like half naked all the time though.

Yeah, but I'm talking more about those anime style scenes where they are fully naked but with well placed "steam"

 

[Laconic]

God are you trolling or it this for real? You can't be this ignorant over a total optional minigame can you?

No, I am not trolling.

Nor is it an ignorant stance to boycott a game for its intregrating extremely creepy Otaku fetishism into what was once a fantastic JSRPG series.

 

[NoMoreTrolls]

Adding feet is a dealbreaker for me. I liked the cute little nubbins they walked on in FEA

 

[Maintenance]

No, but I think it's pretty clear the female characters are going to be sexualized more so overall than the male characters looking at their designs, just like how it was in Awakening.

The only two characters so far that are bad are from the Nohr campaign, Camille and Charlotte. So based on two characters the whole cast will be like that? All right then, so it is just speculation.

 

[L95]

Spoiler

Sigh, There's tottaly going to be a 10 years old girl you can rub and then see half naked in the hot springs. But it's "going to be ok" because she is a 10.000 years old dragon

Tiki is only 3000 years old though, a 10,000 year old dragon would probably look something like Bantu

:B

 

[Pyrrhus]

I feel like many heads will explode when they find out that the word "Otaku" can also be applied to people who obsess about certain stuff that goes beyond "creepy virgin nerds that masturbates to anime girls"

This is the second time in the last couple of pages where I've seen this particular rhetorical strategy to defend Nintendo's decision to pander to and normalize of the fetishes of bottom feeders in their home market.

In fact, a great many of us here in GAF can be rightfully classified as an Otaku Just how look at the great many wars we have in there over that one pixel! Hahaha.

Yeah, but we're not talking about people who like to overclock their graphics cards to get a little better performance out of the latest big release. We're talking about this:

The sort of thing that gets guys like that going also poisons the well for anybody who doesn't aspire to own a collection of saucy PVC statues of little girls with rainbow colored hair flashing their bloomers. Otaku pandering, even when it's not explicitly pornographic, changes the perception of the brand and eventually actively pushes away people outside of that bubble. It's weird and off-putting and trying to equivocate at a hundred miles an hour doesn't change that.

 

[casiopao]

No, I am not trolling.

Nor is it an ignorant stance to boycott a game for its intregrating extremely creepy Otaku fetishism into what was once a fantastic JSRPG series.

I feel u have boycott so much games lol.

 

[Laconic]

I feel u have boycott so much games lol.

Yup.

Never a Fire Emblem game before, however.

Never a Nintendo game before.

 

[Busaiku]

Yup.

Never a Fire Emblem game before, however.

Never a Nintendo game before.

Why didn't you boycott Awakening?

 

[Laughing Banana]

This is the second time in the last couple of pages where I've seen this particular rhetorical strategy to defend Nintendo's decision to pander to and normalize of the fetishes of bottom feeders in their home market.



Yeah, but we're not talking about people who like to overclock their graphics cards to get a little better performance out of the latest big release. We're talking about this:



The sort of thing that gets guys like that going also poisons the well for anybody who doesn't aspire to own a collection of saucy PVC statues of little girls with rainbow colored hair flashing their bloomers. Otaku pandering, even when it's not explicitly pornographic, changes the perception of the brand and eventually actively pushes away people outside of that bubble. It's weird and off-putting and trying to equivocate at a hundred miles an hour doesn't change that.

Not really trying to "defend" it you know, just clarifying a bit about the word Otaku itself. I just find it a bit of a funny situation, like a nerd calling others nerds.

Also, like it or not, the direction they went with Awakening, if you believe that they're went towards "Otaku pandering", saved the franchise from being discontinued. That doesn't make it "right", but it is what it is.

 

[casiopao]

Yup.

Never a Fire Emblem game before, however.

Never a Nintendo game before.

Well, new experience then.^_^ Hope u will be able to find other alternative then.

 

[CommandThrower]

I don't have any particular reverence for Fire Emblem as a series, but that new pokemon-amie style mode seems out of place for the game.

I'm not gonna rain on anybody's parade, if you like it, more power to you. To me, it just seems out of place.

 

[Lunar15]

Y'know, I don't know if I've ever loved the argument that we should all stop critiquing something because changes made it sell better. Transformers sells a lot, but that hardly stops people from having completely valid critiques about those movies.

That said, I do agree that some people act ridiculous about certain changes, as if it ruins everything else in the game. The gameplay changes have sounded quite excellent, but I'll need to see how they shake out.

 

[Yoshi]

Because that wouldn't cause any sort of commotion at all.

Leave in an optional feature vs. remove it for the benefit of the conservative western audience.

What does it have to do with conservatism? For me, it's fine to have games with virtual sex of all kind and between all kinds of characters, I just don't care. But I do not want to deal with this bs in my favourite SRPG series (or basically any game I play). I don't have a problem with this, if it really is 100% optional (same for the base building), but knowing IS, it probaly isn't and is heavily affecting character's stats. Also it will probably heavily affect the discussion of Fire Emblem If on here. I'd propose two OTs, one "waifu"-OT and one gameplay-OT.

 

[Laughing Banana]

What does it have to do with conservatism? For me, it's fine to have games with virtual sex of all kind and between all kinds of characters, I just don't care. But I do not want to deal with this bs in my favourite SRPG series (or basically any game I play). I don't have a problem with this, if it really is 100% optional (same for the base building), but knowing IS, it probaly isn't and is heavily affecting character's stats. Also it will probably heavily affect the discussion of Fire Emblem If on here. I'd propose two OTs, one "waifu"-OT and one gameplay-OT.

You're basically trying to alienate those who enjoys the content and wishes to discuss it, even though they're paying the same amount of money as you to purchase the game.

And as it has always been, "waifu" discussion that *seriously* disrupt the topic/threads are not being kindly looked upon anyways by the mods and I am sure plenty of you are willing to report any offending post/posters to the moderation team as soon as you find one (so the idea of opening "waifu" specific OT is pretty ridiculous as if the mods will allow that to happen/flourish, lol)

Y'know, I don't know if I've ever loved the argument that we should all stop critiquing something because changes made it sell better. Transformers sells a lot, but that hardly stops people from having completely valid critiques about those movies..

I never said "stop critiquing"; but it's just the facts. I don't see IS stop these kind of things any time soon since it is indeed what saves FE from being obliterated by Nintendo. My point is, so long as the series retains its strong SRPG roots/gameplay, surely one can overlook a thing or two, especially if the content is optional?

 

[KirbYuuYuu]

What does it have to do with conservatism? For me, it's fine to have games with virtual sex of all kind and between all kinds of characters, I just don't care. But I do not want to deal with this bs in my favourite SRPG series (or basically any game I play). I don't have a problem with this, if it really is 100% optional (same for the base building), but knowing IS, it probaly isn't and is heavily affecting character's stats. Also it will probably heavily affect the discussion of Fire Emblem If on here. I'd propose two OTs, one "waifu"-OT and one gameplay-OT.

If it's important game wise, then you're fucked on this regard.

And not having dating Sim elements haven't stopped the usage of the word waifu, so I don't know what you expect.

 

[Hours Left]

Yup, not liking face-rubbing is only something that us conservative puritans find weird.

Come on, I'm very open sexually and not conservative in the very least, but I just don't like creepy pointless stuff like this added into games that otherwise are normal. Like, you buy a game about rubbing witches or what have you, that's fine, you know what you're getting into, but it's not cool to see a once somewhat highbrow (for Nintendo) series devolve into this...and I'm pretty sure the average, non-Otaku Japanese person finds this stuff equally weird.

What does it have to do with conservatism? For me, it's fine to have games with virtual sex of all kind and between all kinds of characters, I just don't care. But I do not want to deal with this bs in my favourite SRPG series (or basically any game I play). I don't have a problem with this, if it really is 100% optional (same for the base building), but knowing IS, it probaly isn't and is heavily affecting character's stats. Also it will probably heavily affect the discussion of Fire Emblem If on here. I'd propose two OTs, one "waifu"-OT and one gameplay-OT.

It's only pointless if you don't enjoy it. I just find it odd that western audiences are so comfortable with extreme displays of violence, but sex/romance in games is "weird". I totally grant that a lot of "rubbing" games have very sleazy premises that don't sit well with some people, but this particular instance seems pretty harmless and silly. Like you tap some guy/girl's cheek or hair and a little music note appears. Then they probably say something cute or flirty. I really don't see what the commotion is about.

 

[Vex_]

changes the perception of the brand and eventually actively pushes away people outside of that bubble.

Correct me if I am wrong. Are you saying that Nintendo runs the risk of losing out on sales due to this new direction they are taking the series?

They are pushing people away from the FE brand?

From what I understand, FE awakening saved the series? If that game "pandered" to the otaku crowd, how did that game save the series.

Were there just a lot of otaku who bought the game, or could it be that the 'pandering' wasn't actually as bad as it seemed? Maybe it did not push people away from the series?

I guess we will see how this game sells -- assuming the touching mini game stays.

 

[Sakura]

What does it have to do with conservatism? For me, it's fine to have games with virtual sex of all kind and between all kinds of characters, I just don't care. But I do not want to deal with this bs in my favourite SRPG series (or basically any game I play). I don't have a problem with this, if it really is 100% optional (same for the base building), but knowing IS, it probaly isn't and is heavily affecting character's stats. Also it will probably heavily affect the discussion of Fire Emblem If on here. I'd propose two OTs, one "waifu"-OT and one gameplay-OT.

That's what is called an over reaction. You're equating touching someone's face to virtual sex. That's why people say the west is overly conservative when it comes to that kind of stuff...

 

[Laughing Banana]

It's only pointless if you don't enjoy it. I just find it odd that western audiences are so comfortable with extreme displays of violence, but sex/romance in games is "weird". I totally grant that a lot of "rubbing" games have very sleazy premises that don't sit well with some people, but this particular instance seems pretty harmless and silly. Like you tap some guy/girl's cheek or hair and a little music note appears. Then they probably say something cute or flirty. I really don't see what the commotion is about.

I guess since they're doing this with anime-looking characters then the pervertedness level just automatically jumps to over 9000

 

[Entryhazard]

Y'know, I don't know if I've ever loved the argument that we should all stop critiquing something because changes made it sell better. Transformers sells a lot.

I'm not sure it is a fitting comparison as the changes in Awakening didn't just result in more sales, they "saved" the franchise from being cancelled.

I know some here are boycotting it now but if it were for theme the series fould have died some years ago. But maybe they would have preferred Fire Emblem to die rather than have some lesser people like it for the new features.

I'd propose two OTs, one "waifu"-OT and one gameplay-OT.

I think we need separated cars on trains too.

 

[Vex_]

Y'know, I don't know if I've ever loved the argument that we should all stop critiquing something because changes made it sell better.

I don't claim to speak for everyone, but I can say with certainty that I don't mind someone being critical of something if it bothers them. I even encourage it.


What makes me upset is when someone tries to speak for an entire audience of people.

"This should be cut from the us release. Anyone who likes this is creepy. You SHOULDN'T like this or there is something wrong with you. I don't care, it is creepy and it needs to not be in the game"

We are seeing a lot of that in this thread. That isn't fair. How can people say this?

 

[jnWake]

That's what is called an over reaction. You're equating touching someone's face to virtual sex. That's why people say the west is overly conservative when it comes to that kind of stuff...

Characters blushing is equivalent to orgasms haven't you heard?

 

[HiroTSK5]

Quick and dirty

I watch this and all I can think is how great it would be if the next Pokemon game used this style for trainers. it was a huge disappointment going from the animated trainer sprites in B2/W2 to the static trainer art in X/Y. Especially for Gym leaders. Granted the Rivals and Team flare had 3D models but it was always jarring and the facial expressions always seemed off.

 

[HawthorneKitty]

I watch this and all I can think is how great it would be if the next Pokemon game used this style for trainers. it was a huge disappointment going from the animated trainer sprites in B2/W2 to the static trainer art in X/Y. Especially for Gym leaders. Granted the Rivals and Team flare had 3D models but it was always jarring and the facial expressions always seemed off.

Maxie tho

 

[Yoshi]

It's only pointless if you don't enjoy it. I just find it odd that western audiences are so comfortable with extreme displays of violence, but sex/romance in games is "weird". I totally grant that a lot of "rubbing" games have very sleazy premises that don't sit well with some people, but this particular instance seems pretty harmless and silly. Like you tap some guy/girl's cheek or hair and a little music note appears. Then they probably say something cute or flirty. I really don't see what the commotion is about.

I don't think violence is intrisicly more OK than sexual content. In fact, most of the time from a thematic point of view, I'd view sexual content as less offensive (and off the top of my head I own a grand total of three games rated 18 where I live, Resident Evil 4, 5 and Bayonetta), but gameplay-wise, sex offers less interesting game mechanics than violence. And if it can be more interesting, this certainly is not being displayed here. I'm not offended because the themes are so naughty, I'm offended because it's shit simulation gameplay instead of pure strategic gameplay. If I want to play human-Nintendogs, I will buy human-Nintendogs.

That's what is called an over reaction. You're equating touching someone's face to virtual sex. That's why people say the west is overly conservative when it comes to that kind of stuff...

I'm not equating it. I just say they can put whatever virtual sex themes into their games, not saying that this is literally sex. What I wanted to say is: Dating sims, sex games, even of the weirdest kind are all completely OK with me - even going way beyond what's legal where I live (so some crude porn game featuring kids? Well, no one is hurt by this, so do whatever you want, as long as minorities do not get to play it). It's not a matter of conservatism, but of disliking the gameplay associated with it. Regarding sexual content, this is harmless. Regarding themes and gameplay this is shit I do not want to deal with.

 

[VanillaCakeIsBurning]

Quick and dirty

This game will probably get an AO rating.

 

[SolVanderlyn]

So how about that base building and character design guys?

 

[Watch Da Birdie]

It's only pointless if you don't enjoy it. I just find it odd that western audiences are so comfortable with extreme displays of violence, but sex/romance in games is "weird". I totally grant that a lot of "rubbing" games have very sleazy premises that don't sit well with some people, but this particular instance seems pretty harmless and silly. Like you tap some guy/girl's cheek or hair and a little music note appears. Then they probably say something cute or flirty. I really don't see what the commotion is about.

But I don't like really violent games either, if Fire Emblem added gratuitous blood and dismemberment out of nowhere I'd also be turned off.

 

[Laughing Banana]

So how about that base building and character design guys?

The WHOLE game revolves around characters blushing and face rubbing you foolish man, haven't you heard?

 

[orthodoxy1095]

This is not a popular opinion I imagine, but IMO it is no worse than than the old school Fire Emblem. I mean, just take a look at Lyndis' design in FE7, I mean damn.

Yeah guys. TOTALLY THE SAME AS LYN.

ಠ_ಠ

Credit where it's due, I browsed through the characters, and this dude's design is on point. Props to Kozaki for this one.

 

[Sakura]

Regarding themes and gameplay this is shit I do not want to deal with.

That's the beauty of it. You don't have to.
I never touched the Pokemon Amie stuff and I won't bother with this junk in FE either.

 

[Laughing Banana]

Yeah guys. TOTALLY THE SAME AS LYN.

ಠ_ಠ

Hahaha.

Dem extremely high-cut legs though. And I told you it's not a popular opinion!