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Five 'Witches' Burned Alive in Rwanda
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speculawyer
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I believe so. I certainly don't want to see their thoughts on this. The color of the people's skin is irrelevant . . . it is the ideas & actions that are wrong. Just like the ideas & actions of those racist stormfront people. It is not like video of the white people that dragged James Byrd to his death in Texas would prove white people are barbarians.Teknoman said:
Monocle
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Such nauseating cruelty. Horrors like this simply don't occur in a society of secular enlightenment and free inquiry. To watch this video is to be confronted with the sinister attitudes that led to the Inquisition. Viewers take note: this is where superstition leads. A society that permits or promotes ignorance will inevitably descend the moral ladder. The true liberation of any oppressed society proceeds from the liberation of its citizens' minds from the shackles of ignorance.
self immolation 'scene'. Do you mean the monks who burned themselves to death to protest? If so this is much worse. This was not voluntary. This was not for some larger purpose. This was not a 'scene'. This was a fucking brutal murder of 5 people for a false belief.FiRez said:
Rapping Granny
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regrets watching the video.
regrets watching the video.
speculawyer
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I had to stop at that point, I couldn't take any more.Rapping Granny said:
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speculawyer said:
That's where I stopped too.
idahoblue said:
yes I agree 100%, sorry for not being more clear (english isn't my 1st language) but I was only talking about the "shocking" factor of the "video" itself, for example the rumanian killers video left me shocked for a while, this one honestly didn't make me close my eyes.
The act obviously is totally sickening and reprehensible.
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Hellcrow said:
yeah, that image left me speechless.
speculawyer
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Good point. All of our societies are a work in progress. And I think we progressed past that state in late January of this year. I hope and will work to prevent any back-sliding.bionic77 said:
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Not going to lie, I had to stop after 40 seconds. Seriously made me want to throw up. WTF?
Souldriver
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Yeah. It's a horrible thought, but I think some people (wherever they may live) are just capable of torturing people, you just have to push the right buttons. Luckily the societal structures keep most of them from acting according to it. Off course it's not only the structure holding the animal in place, but also the animal itself learning/evolving into its society. But still, I wouldn't say "things like these aren't imaginable here".bionic77 said:
For example: what if these people had guns? Perhaps they would've killed the "witches" with those, instead of burning them. Maybe they'd shoot in the legs first to torture, only to shoot them in the head to finish it off. If that were the case, the scenario becomes much more likely to happen where we live, and it doesn't put our "society" in a much better light than the African one. This example is a big "perhaps" off course and I admit a bit flawed. I'm not saying it's true. I'm just putting it out here.
speculawyer
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No. You can blame a lot of bad things on colonization and imperialism, but I don't think these superstitions can be blamed on that.ice cream said:
Mike Works
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i'm both glad i watched that video and sad that i watched it at the same time
this is probably the saddest gaf has ever made me
this is probably the saddest gaf has ever made me
I think they are just stupid.Shawn said:
Just like most Americans were stupid enough to buy into a made up lie and invade and conquer another country over it. People in this country were scared enough that if Bush told us we had to burn someone alive to "save American lives", most people either would have agreed or stayed silent.
speculawyer
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I don't know if it would be 'most' (at least I would hope not), but it would certainly be a shockingly disturbingly high number. It is sad enough to see all these pundits on TV & AM radio that continue to defend torture.bionic77 said:
nelsonroyale
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...disgusting behaviour...its terrible when its the act of a violent individual...it is far more disgusting when it is condoned by a community...and the man was treating them like refuse... ridiculous... to think people have behaved like this throughout history
I love how any thread, any one at all, can be turned into a Bush-bashing fest. The wandering logic is truly amazing.
Graphic video of Africans burning each other is posted.
Poster 1: Holy shit! Don't watch that! It's frightening and depressing!
Poster 2: Wow... that is some horrible stuff... It wouldn't have happened without religion!
Poster 1: Yeah! Religion sucks!
Poster 2: You know who likes religion?
Poster 1: Bush!
Poster 2: This was practically his fault!
Poster 1: He is religious... and corrupt!
Poster 2: I bet the Africans with the torches are really CIA spooks, and this is a video of them torturing people at random to try to find WMDs that don't exist!
At any rate... how do you know they weren't witches?
Graphic video of Africans burning each other is posted.
Poster 1: Holy shit! Don't watch that! It's frightening and depressing!
Poster 2: Wow... that is some horrible stuff... It wouldn't have happened without religion!
Poster 1: Yeah! Religion sucks!
Poster 2: You know who likes religion?
Poster 1: Bush!
Poster 2: This was practically his fault!
Poster 1: He is religious... and corrupt!
Poster 2: I bet the Africans with the torches are really CIA spooks, and this is a video of them torturing people at random to try to find WMDs that don't exist!
At any rate... how do you know they weren't witches?
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ice cream said:
You would be the funniest spam bot in the thread if it wasn't for how fucking sick and heinous their savagery is.
Haleon said:
Are you retarded?
Souldriver
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Well, when the subjects of 'torture' and 'modern society' come to attention...Haleon said:
Souldriver
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"I love how any thread, any one at all, can be turned into a Islam-bashing fest. The wandering logic is truly amazing."Haleon said:
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FunkyMunkey said:
So what are you going to do? Kill everyone in the country who believes in this stuff?
This is their culture. They might look at us and think we are stupid because we have pets or because we put people in jail. It is hard to run roughshot over another culture because you don't agree with it. Not sure we have the right to do that.
I am not defending this shit at all, I think it is cruel and sick. But at the same time, let's not forget we were doing the same shit here not too long ago.
speculawyer
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Haleon said:
When you need to lie to try to make a point, you have lost. Sorry.
No I was more human bashing (by bashing America) than Bush bashing. Bush was elected by America twice so in my opinion if you have a problem with him than blame your neighbors who voted for him.Haleon said:
My point was that some posters were acting like this kind of illogical and disgusting behavior was not possible in a more enlightened secular society (like our own) and I just wanted to give some examples that even when we are afraid we can allow for some horrible things (torture, illegal war, etc.). So the difference between them and us is probably not as great as we think it is.
What is this "made up lie"? We invaded Iraq to get Saddam out of power. We gave Saddam more than one chance to let the weapons inspectors in the country, but he wouldn't let them in. We warned Saddam that if he didn't let the weapons inspectors in, that we would take him out. He wouldn't let them in, so we took him out.bionic77 said:
And what's this shit about conquering Iraq? Conquer??? :lol Oh boy, I've heard it all.
There are no words for this comment... no words at all.
speculawyer
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Shawn said:
Wow. What planet do you live on? Stop listening to AM radio and read a decent newspaper. You have got the facts completely wrong.
furrygiblets
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OMFG i'm speechless
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holy fuck. i couldnt make it through that video.. i almost completely broke down when that one person was just sitting there.. head bent down.. fully aflame, and clearly still alive.
holy shit. i .. i .. just dont get this. how can anyone do that to another human being.
:.(
holy shit. i .. i .. just dont get this. how can anyone do that to another human being.
:.(
speculawyer said:
I was about to say something along the lines of "Jigga what?" But I think this gets the point across better.
Just wiki Iraq WMD's or something and enlighten yourself.
P.S. I don't think the mention of Bush meant anything to anyone other than you, the person who mentioned Bush/the US seems to simply try to be humbling ourselves, pointing out that human nature is volatile and violent and we need to stay vigilant.
Was wondering when this argument would rear its head. Moral relativism has a time and place, and that time and place is generally not when people are being burned alive in the name of superstition.dskillzhtown said:
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quadriplegicjon said:
The answer is just as obvious as it is sad. Many people still do horrible things to other, based on their strong belief in some kind of supernatural being, fed by verses in their religious books.
It would surprise me if these crazy people are somehow not influenced by a (local) religion which condemns non-believers.
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