memoryswap
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Sometimes people steal other's work and no one says anything for a decade or two.
Oh wait, gun different + no shoulder mounted device + not plagiarism.
sorry...
Sometimes people steal other's work and no one says anything for a decade or two.
Why? Ford Motors did nothing wrong. A small local independent dealership was bad at the internet and photoshop and they are getting lots of blame and venom right now.Ford should own up to the mess up, frankly and clearly, and apologise.
You say that because you might have some actual skills in photoshop, but the person who probably has no actual graphic design skills and knows just how to open photoshop.Wow. It would be almost as easy just to do something similar and you can avoid a potential lawsuit to boot.
Imagine you are are teaching a graphic design class and you have two students submit the logos I posted - would you shrug it off as 'not plagiarism'? Come on now...
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Ford dealership general manager: "I saw an ad for some game called Fire-something-or-other. Make our ad look like that."
Designer: makes something similar
Manager: "No, that's not close enough"
Designer: makes it a little more similar
Manager: "Getting closer"
Designer: copy/paste original image and rolls eyes
Manager: "Perfect!"
Imagine you are are teaching a graphic design class and you have two students submit the logos I posted - would you shrug it off as 'not plagiarism'? Come on now...
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The dealership I mean, as a Ford branded store, should just make a clear statement & apology.Why? Ford Motors did nothing wrong. A small local independent dealership was bad at the internet and photoshop and they are getting lots of blame and venom right now.
These are terrible examples.Imagine you are are teaching a graphic design class and you have two students submit the logos I posted - would you shrug it off as 'not plagiarism'? Come on now...
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Dealerships aren't franchises. This isn't the same as a Subway or McDonalds. Ford has little to no influence on the day to day marketing assets at the dealership level. The dealership is probably overwhelmed why news websites are calling and wanting a comment and clarification, but in the end the dealership probably is learning as the story develops what they did wrong. They are attempting to shift the blame to the wallpaper website where they grabbed the image from. If anything the venom should be going after that website because they are the ones making real money on this.The dealership I mean, as a Ford branded store, should just make a clear statement & apology.
Hell, even Ford could say we regret this and will work with our dealerships to ensure better practices for images used in promotions.
Simple.
Hm. I dunno. It looks like a lot of that artwork was completely ripped off from Ford.As the person basically responsible for this action-packed series of events, there's one small fact I feel like nobody has brought up in this thread yet:
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where can I buy that suit fam
Imagine you are are teaching a graphic design class and you have two students submit the logos I posted - would you shrug it off as 'not plagiarism'? Come on now...
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Stuff like this is super common in games. The image is of course reconstructed and content is different but conceptually, it's a 1:1 copy. It's reprehensible.
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Seems like an honest fuck up to me, small isolated dealership wants their advertising campaign material to match the "orange" forest aesthetic in the Ford ads on TV, finds this photo on a free wallpaper website and decides to use it. They should have checked the source before hand, but small stores don't check these sort of things - my local Pita Pit for instance has Dead Pool drawn on the chalkboard that welcomes customers (pretty sure they didn't ask Marvel) - the dealership will hopefully be more wary of this in the future. Legal action would just be a dick move tbh.
Seems like an honest fuck up to me, small isolated dealership wants their advertising campaign material to match the "orange" forest aesthetic in the Ford ads on TV, finds this photo on a free wallpaper website and decides to use it. They should have checked the source before hand, but small stores don't check these sort of things - my local Pita Pit for instance has Dead Pool drawn on the chalkboard that welcomes customers (pretty sure they didn't ask Marvel) - the dealership will hopefully be more wary of this in the future. Legal action would just be a dick move tbh.
https://twitter.com/vanaman/status/747516512336961536
Nope, however they lifted it, it was from an official source.
there's a difference between a drawing on a chalkboard and lifting of a websites background
That seems rather presumptuous - it's not like this photo doesn't exist elsewhere on the web (like the free wallpaper hosting site posted in this thread).
You missed the crux of the tweet then, because it's literally saying the opposite. If that would be their defense, the onus is on them to define the exact source because of the actual variation being pointed out.
Knowing how people crawl websites, you can't really expect assets to not be pulled and republished someplace else. Doesn't excuse the behavior, but the 'only could have taken it from here' is a bit misguided.https://twitter.com/vanaman/status/747516512336961536
Nope, however they lifted it, it was from an official source.
Quick update: An MA Ford dealer says the stolen Firewatch art came from Ford HQ, they were not involved in this promo however.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/...s_it_lifted_Firewatch_art_for_sales_promo.php
It's sad. I'm a graphic designer that lives in the Detroit area and I understand the pressure and why this happens. We are given too little time to work and are encouraged by our bosses or supervisors to take things from Google images and steal art and photos from other people.
Work places want high quality art that takes a artist a week to make done within the hour of being handed to them.
What's worse is that the artist will be entirely to blame and they will agree and take the punishment. Because blaming anyone else will be considered coping out.
But companies constantly instill the fear that if you can't get the work done in the time given they will just hire someone else that will and give the same conditions to that person and repeat the circle.
Its a huge problem in the industry. It's a shame when these things happen but I don't entirely blame the person.
Yeah. Having worked under pressure a lot, either that or use royalty free vectors and try to edit as much as possible within time constraints, so that there's a bit of a difference at least.I'm also a Graphic Designer and I understand what you are saying but there is an onus on the designer to either create original artwork or at least use sites that have royalty free un-copyrighted images. I'm sure it was an honest mistake though.
Quick update: An MA Ford dealer says the stolen Firewatch art came from Ford HQ, they were not involved in this promo however.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/...s_it_lifted_Firewatch_art_for_sales_promo.php
Stuff like this is super common in games. The image is of course reconstructed and content is different but conceptually, it's a 1:1 copy. It's reprehensible.
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I saw your other posts as well.
You don't actually know what plagiarism is.
I can't tell you how many times I'm stuck between this choice.Yeah. Having worked under pressure a lot, either that or use royalty free vectors and try to edit as much as possible within time constraints, so that there's a bit of a difference at least.
Because they make good cars?The real question - why was the person who found this looking to buy a Ford .. WHY!
Ford dealership general manager: "I saw an ad for some game called Fire-something-or-other. Make our ad look like that."
Designer: makes something similar
Manager: "No, that's not close enough"
Designer: makes it a little more similar
Manager: "Getting closer"
Designer: copy/paste original image and rolls eyes
Manager: "Perfect!"
Always recreate it. Explain to your boss you can get sued if they fight back and in my experience, 98% of the time they will just cave in and say something like make it happen as fast as possible. So I have personally always opted to recreate it. You will 1) have a clear conscious and 2) get really good at whatever your chosen app may be.I can't tell you how many times I'm stuck between this choice.
Its against me to steal art online, but when your boss tells you why don't you just take something online and then tweak it. It'd just a huge amount of problems that comes from that.
I do take things from the Internet but try to do the most I can out of it to make it my own. But there is a huge difference between just cutting a face out and manipulating a image to make it an entirely different thing.