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Formula 1 - Abu Dhabi GP 2016 |OT| No matter who wins, the race will end in fireworks

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Bitch Pudding

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That's how I see it.

It makes perfect sense for a person at the caliber of an F1 Driver to be upset at barely losing the ESC.

Also, Hamilton was absolutely the better driver.

So, the best driver sitting in the best car didn't win the championship. Because reasons.



New comment from Toto Wolff, who answered a question from Sky Germany if Hamilton undermined the team's authorata:
"Absolut. Da setzt er auch einen Präzedenzfall - wie wollen wir in Zukunft damit umgehen? Da haben wir dann totale Anarchie, und jeder macht, wie er lustig ist. Da werden wir schon reinhauen."

"Absolutely. He created a precedent there - how will we handle this in the future? It would be total anarchy if everyone does what he wants. We'll make sure that doesn't happen again*." (*doesn't translate well...)
 

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LOL Hamilton get more podiums than everyone else this season but loses the title due to "reliability"

Was it a reliabilty issue that caused him to drive off the track in Spain?

I love how Hamilton's fanboys are eager to point out Rosberg only won because of his car. This Rosberg title now brings into question the quality of Lewis's previous 2 titles where he faced zero competition.

True greats don't lose championships to inferior drivers in the same car.
 

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Totos comments to Sky

"I'm in a bit of a schizophrenic situation. There is the control freak team leader that has a rule book that everyone has to obey because this made us what we are today, but then there is the racing me," admitted team boss Toto Wolff.

"I was questioning myself: 'What would I have done?' He had two choices, play one, disappear into the distance and show them you're the best racing driver and it would have been his season, or play the other one, back up, and that's what he decided to do, so I'm a little bit in two minds.

"It would have come to my mind and it came to others' mind. Christian had the same idea before the weekend so he followed Christian's instruction. Maybe he ought to drive for him! I'm going from one side to another side.

"Equally Nico had more pace. He kept it very cool under pressure. Maybe you would have launched yourself for an overtake. It's difficult to have a solution for every situation."
 

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Was it a reliabilty issue that caused him to drive off the track in Spain?

I love how Hamilton's fanboys are eager to point out Rosberg only won because of his car. This Rosberg title now brings into question the quality of Lewis's previous 2 titles where he faced zero competition.

True greats don't lose championships to inferior drivers in the same car.

Sure, if you didnt actually watch the last two seasons. You sound like someone ignorant of the history of sport. Many championships have been won by the slower, but more reliable driver
 

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Was it a reliabilty issue that caused him to drive off the track in Spain?

I love how Hamilton's fanboys are eager to point out Rosberg only won because of his car. This Rosberg title now brings into question the quality of Lewis's previous 2 titles where he faced zero competition.

True greats don't lose championships to inferior drivers in the same car.

So how did you feel about Senna losing the 1989 world championship by tangling with Prost at Suzuka?

Because that'll answer your first question.
 

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So how did you feel about Senna losing the 1989 world championship by tangling with Prost at Suzuka?

Because that'll answer your first question.

Senna lost that one because Balestre robbed him of it, not because of Prost trying (and failing) to take him out.
 

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So how did you feel about Senna losing the 1989 world championship by tangling with Prost at Suzuka?

Because that'll answer your first question.

Prost is one of the great drivers with 4 world titles on the same level as Senna. Senna lost to another great. They were toe to toe the seasons they went against each other in same car. Over the 16 GPs Prost beat Senna in points in '88 but the counting only the 11 best results gave Senna the title.

Alain Prost is a great, Nico Rosberg is not even in the conversation

My first question was about Hamilton recklessly driving off the track in Spain after another poor start. I don't see how that answer has anything to do with it.
 

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Prost is one of the great drivers with 4 world titles on the same level as Senna. Senna lost to another great. They were toe to toe the seasons they went against each other in same car. Over the 16 GPs Prost beat Senna in points in '88 but the counting only the 11 best results gave Senna the title.

Alain Prost is a great, Nico Rosberg is not even in the conversation

My first question was about Hamilton recklessly driving off the track in Spain after another poor start. I don't see how that answer has anything to do with it.

Neither of them were solely to blame for that incident, which is what was determined by the stewards and resulted in no penalties.

One person will say that Hamilton was reckless trying to go for a gap that closed too quickly on him. Another person might say that Rosberg dangerously closed that gap because he definitely would have been overtaken due to Hamilton's closing speed. No-one can win this argument so let's not bother trying.
 

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Neither of them were solely to blame for that incident, which is what was determined by the stewards and resulted in no penalties.

One person will say that Hamilton was reckless trying to go for a gap that closed too quickly on him. Another person might say that Rosberg dangerously closed that gap because he definitely would have been overtaken due to Hamilton's closing speed. No-one can win this argument so let's not bother trying.

^ In a nutshell really.
 

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My first question was about Hamilton recklessly driving off the track in Spain after another poor start. I don't see how that answer has anything to do with it.

The crash in Spain had little to do with recklessness. Rosberg had accidentally put his engine into a mode with less power, resulting in lower speed than Hamilton expected. You can't really put all blame on Hamilton for that incident. At those speeds you have to trust that the car in front of you will behave roughly as you expect it to behave.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/rosberg-in-wrong-engine-mode-before-hamilton-crash-737141/

"Nico was in the wrong setting - and that's why he lost power out of 3. He didn't have as much energy as Lewis had," Wolff said.

"I wouldn't say [Rosberg's to blame], but it explains why everything went so quickly - because there was such a discrepancy in speed that they needed to make a decision in a split/second.

"He had a setting on the steering wheel which should have been changed at the start - and he didn't."

Despite the issue of the setting, Wolff refused to apportion blame for the incident.

"Coming out of [Turn] 3, Nico closed up the inside in what looked to be a clean maneouvre, Lewis chose to go that side and was out on the grass and then lost the car.

"A racing incident, a very unfortunate racing incident, triggered by various circumstances.

"[Hamilton's] manoeuvre was fair enough even though the result was unfortunate. I think seeing that and going for it was what he should have done - and you can’t blame Nico for closing the door but the difference of speed triggered the incident."
 

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Neither of them were solely to blame for that incident, which is what was determined by the stewards and resulted in no penalties.

One person will say that Hamilton was reckless trying to go for a gap that closed too quickly on him. Another person might say that Rosberg dangerously closed that gap because he definitely would have been overtaken due to Hamilton's closing speed. No-one can win this argument so let's not bother trying.

Hamilton was behind and ran out of road. It was clearly his fault.

Rosberg was in the lead and entitled to take the racing line. Only a very kind reading of that situation was say Hamilton was side by side.

The outcome was very fortunate for HAM that he managed to take Rosberg out as well which stopped him cruising to his fifth straight victory.

Niki Lauda's assessment of the incident
“Stupid,” Lauda said. “It’s very simple for me. It was a miscalculation in Lewis’s head. I blame him more than Nico. For the team and for Mercedes it is unacceptable. Lewis was too aggressive to pass him and why should Nico give him room? He was in the lead. It is completely unnecessary and for me the disaster is that all Mercedes are out after two corners.”
 

malyce

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Hamilton was behind and ran out of road. It was clearly his fault.

Rosberg was in the lead and entitled to take the racing line. Only a very kind reading of that situation was say Hamilton was side by side.

The outcome was very fortunate for HAM that he managed to take Rosberg out as well which stopped him cruising to his fifth straight victory.

Niki Lauda's assessment of the incident

Except, he wasn't on the racing line.
 

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Part of me thinks VES is going to implode.

Sure. Comes in at 17 under huge pressure, gets promoted to a top team at 18 under huge pressure. Wins a race, impresses a ton, makes only a few errors here and there. Gets bombarded with press, critisisms and praise... sounds like a sure fire recipe to implode.

If he was going to implode, it would have been a long time ago.
 

Aiii

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Didn´t you have his face as an avatar

 

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Anyone able to tell me what happened to Danny? Bad strat?

Bad start, not so great strategy, down on power compared to the ferraris, got stuck in a ferrari sandwich at a track that doesn't favor passing. Just not his race. Not like anyone expected redbull to be strong at this track, but still..

I expect him to absolutely beast next year.
 

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Anyone able to tell me what happened to Danny? Bad strat?

He was pitted on the 10th lap with supersofts, probably could've done more laps on those tires, ended up in a two stopper. VES was fighting at the end only due to his single stop strategy. The Ferraris were especially punchy today anyway so RIC would probably have ended up in the same place regardless of strategy.
 

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I can't believe that Nico is finally WDC, I liked him since his debut in 2006, where he got the fastest lap on his first race.

When Mercedes bought Brawn and choose him and Schumi for creating this monster car that is today, he quickly became my favorite driver, he's not the fastest, but I always liked his silent attitude and work ethics, he has had a couple of hard seasons previous years, but I knew that if he had the chance, he would end getting a WDC.

I'm a Nico fan, not a Hamilton hater (in fact, I like him a lot too) so it's a bit sad to read all the hate Hamilton gets because he is more of a superstar guy than others, and also, his tactics today are totally understandable, everyone would have done the same, Hamilton did everything he could inside the rules, and Rosberg was able to drive the entire race an inmense pressure, that pass on Verstappen is one for the history books.
 

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Sure. Comes in at 17 under huge pressure, gets promoted to a top team at 18 under huge pressure. Wins a race, impresses a ton, makes only a few errors here and there. Gets bombarded with press, critisisms and praise... sounds like a sure fire recipe to implode.

If he was going to implode, it would have been a long time ago.

Yeah, Webber was saying on C4 that when Rosberg started at Williams, he was talking to him and saying he wasn't sure if the category was for him with all the press and everything you have to do on top of racing and he started slightly older.
 

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Anyone able to tell me what happened to Danny? Bad strat?

Bad start, not so great strategy, down on power compared to the ferraris, got stuck in a ferrari sandwich at a track that doesn't favor passing. Just not his race. Not like anyone expected redbull to be strong at this track, but still..

I expect him to absolutely beast next year.
RedBull happened

He was pitted on the 10th lap with supersofts, probably could've done more laps on those tires, ended up in a two stopper. VES was fighting at the end only due to his single stop strategy. The Ferraris were especially punchy today anyway so RIC would probably have ended up in the same place regardless of strategy.

According to Horner, he got a flat spot in the first corner so they had to pit him early, otherwise he would have been doing similar strat to Vestappen.
 

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I really enjoyed the race and was at the edge of my seat near the end. Was hoping Hamilton was going to win, but oh well. Pumped for next season!
 

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Funny that it's Max being associated with an implosion after hearing about Lewis' reaction to the Barcelona incident in Ted's notebook.

Had to hunt it down after reading this. Wow. Seems like Lewis quitting wasn't just in the heat of the moment either considering the actions Mercedes took within that week.
 

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Had to hunt it down after reading this. Wow. Seems like Lewis quitting wasn't just in the heat of the moment either considering the actions Mercedes took within that week.

Remember that Lauda said Lewis trashed his trailer? Not so wacky sounding now, is it?
 

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Remember that Lauda said Lewis trashed his trailer? Not so wacky sounding now, is it?

True, plus Lauda usually tells it like it is.

Ah well, Rosberg must have been happy. Got him that 2 year contract he wanted.
 
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