RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
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Forum Ban stops player from Playing Dragon Age 2
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EmCeeGramr
Member
Alright, that's not as bad. It seemed like they definitely started with the negative ones though, which raised eyebrows.Nirolak said:
GotEmRunnin
Member
Two things:
#1 - EA's new motto is we can be bad as long as we are not perceived to be worse than ActiBlizz
#2 - The guy needs to call Charlie Sheen they won't mess with the warlock.
#1 - EA's new motto is we can be bad as long as we are not perceived to be worse than ActiBlizz
#2 - The guy needs to call Charlie Sheen they won't mess with the warlock.
sprsk said:
Heh.
I completely like this idea in terms of MMORPGS only. I would have no problem with for example: Blizzard banning your account in game if you got a forum ban. Fuck it, accountability for your actions is a bitch. OTOH, when your talking about a console game, or a game that can be played offline, it shouldn't carry over....But MMO's need to adopt this shit. Maybe then official forums would be worth a damn.
TwiztidElf
Member
It's a question..., sure, with a loaded statement.
But the correct corporate response is: there is no such thing as an EA devil therefore question is void and cannot be answered.
Not to fuck over a paying customer.
faceless007
Member
All hail our new overlords, the glorious and everlasting Terms of Service. Your unquestioning obedience will be rewarded.
ColonelColon
Member
This is actually good evidence that they've sold their souls to the EA devils.
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Deleted member 22576
Unconfirmed Member
This is some goddamn bullshit.
Not as bad as steam though. Isn't the deal with steam if you get in trouble with one game it bans your whole account for every game? Am I mistaken? I could totally be mistaken. Just because someone hacks in TF2 doesn't mean they should be cut off from L4D.
Not as bad as steam though. Isn't the deal with steam if you get in trouble with one game it bans your whole account for every game? Am I mistaken? I could totally be mistaken. Just because someone hacks in TF2 doesn't mean they should be cut off from L4D.
whatsinaname
Member
Morn said:
Sorry, no. It fucks over everyone equally. Buy the new FIFA game and hate how the game plays online? Well, best of luck selling it for the 40$ that is the usual used price for a one month old FIFA game. It now sells for 30$. 10$ less towards my next game.
Actually, it fucks over the guy selling the used game the most. Gamestop will pay 10$ less for trade-in. The used game buyer will pay 10$ less used and 10$ to EA, leaving him paying the same price as before.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Jtwo said:
Depends what you mean. If you mean caught cheating on a VAC protected game, then yes, you will be VAC banned from all games that use that engine. Banned from VAC servers, not the game itself. If you mean a billing issue with one game, then yes your account will be locked until the situation is corrected. If you mean forum posts? Then no, because your forum account is separate from your Steam account.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
At first I was like "HOLY SHIT WHAT," but then I read the actual content of the post and there are two mitigating factors: 1) it's a temporary ban, 2) it's just an activation and DLC thing. If he had already been activated, the ban wouldn't have this effect, right?
This brings it down from "HOLY SHIT WHAT" to "that's bullshit and needs to be addressed immediately."
I'm not sure if this is really the start of a slippery slope... people won't participate on forums or buy games if the publisher can mete out such sweeping punishments for something as trivial as being a dick on the internet. This is probably something that will be corrected after (justified) public outcry.
This brings it down from "HOLY SHIT WHAT" to "that's bullshit and needs to be addressed immediately."
I'm not sure if this is really the start of a slippery slope... people won't participate on forums or buy games if the publisher can mete out such sweeping punishments for something as trivial as being a dick on the internet. This is probably something that will be corrected after (justified) public outcry.
Mister Wilhelm
Member
This injustice shall not stand.
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Deleted member 22576
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah, the VAC bans are what I meant. Are they usually permanent? I don't know how it actually works, I just have the perception of "one VAC ban = fucked for all VAC games on that account forever" which is totally ridiculous.LovingSteam said:
It's not like it will ever affect me, and I know it's Valves service and they can do what they please and I don't have give them money. But still, fuck that.
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
whatsinaname said:
Gamestop has been fucking the used game seller way longer and way harder. Do you still shop there?
Jtwo said:
Sometimes taking part in gaming Utopia requires paying the ultimate price for transgressions.
The weird thing about this is that I don't really feel like it's wrong for Valve to ban cheaters (don't fuckin' cheat, dumbasses) but I'm very sure it's wrong for EA to link forum bans to content access.
I guess the key difference is that cheating is worse than being a jerk on a forum, and EA's response is wildly disproportionate.
vvvvvv also, the VAC ban sounds pretty measured and fair according to this guy
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Jtwo said:
VAC bans are permanent. However, you're not banned from the game itself. You're banned from Valve servers for all games that use that engine. So if you were VAC banned from MW2, you'd be banned from Black Ops but ONLY for VAC servers. You still have access to the SP and non VAC protected servers.
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Deleted member 22576
Unconfirmed Member
Hmm, so what are the proportion of VAC servers to non-VAC servers in the typical third party steam game? I'm assuming it is near 100% for Valve's games.
It just seems unreasonable to me to ban someone from Black Ops' VAC servers when they cheated in a game of MW2 two years ago.
It just seems unreasonable to me to ban someone from Black Ops' VAC servers when they cheated in a game of MW2 two years ago.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Jtwo said:
Well its up to each person to use VAC with their dedicated server or not (from what I understand).
There are tons of non VAC servers for the games
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Deleted member 22576
Unconfirmed Member
Hmm, I guess that is less outrageous than I had originally thought. I think I still just disagree on principal though, wait for the cheaters to cheat in that specific game before you boot them. I'm all for the ZERO tolerance rule, but do it on a game by game basis. If someone had a bad lapse in judgement and cheated in CS:S then BAN them from that game. Maybe they'll never cheat again, and if they do: BAN THEM from whatever game they've cheated in.LovingSteam said:
I'm not sure whey I'm playing devil's advocate here since I LOVE playing multiplayer games without cheaters and looking at my list nearly all of them are VAC protected which means they're doing a damn good job keeping the experience great for their non cheating customers.. it still just doesn't seem right.
Jtwo said:
Theres plenty on non VAC's but yeah, the MAJORITY of server runners, and gamers want to play WITHOUT cheaters and hackers.....so yeah Im going to guess the majority are VAC based. If you want to hack, go to the non protected servers and do it with like minded fucktards IMO.
mysteriousmage09
Member
how the hell is that even legal?
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Deleted member 22576
Unconfirmed Member
So theoretically you could go to a non VAC server and do all the crazy shit you could ever dream of and not get banned?Cipherr said:
If so then I take back everything I've said.
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Jtwo said:
Yep. Although at that point its up to the administrator what he wants to allow. But yea, non VAC servers are there for those exact reasons.
So, guy can't activate his legit copy of an EA title due to being forum banned.
Said guy googles for a crack.
Said guy (who might have been oblivious to certain avenues of the internet) finds magical places that let him circumvent not only his EA game's activation system but also has his innocent eyes open to the other services at his fingertips.
Said guy does the right thing...this time, and only circumvents his copy for the 72 hour ban.
DLC for said EA title comes out and is overpriced and lacking in content.
The doors have been opened.
Said guy googles for a crack.
Said guy (who might have been oblivious to certain avenues of the internet) finds magical places that let him circumvent not only his EA game's activation system but also has his innocent eyes open to the other services at his fingertips.
Said guy does the right thing...this time, and only circumvents his copy for the 72 hour ban.
DLC for said EA title comes out and is overpriced and lacking in content.
The doors have been opened.
Obviously this is a fantasy that plays upon the ideal innocence of a forum regular, and is thus completely nullified.
That is false. Black Ops and MW2 are considered to be different engines.LovingSteam said:
My only issue with VAC is in the case of getting your account hacked/phished and getting vac banned from the hacker cheating on your account. Steam Guard is a good feature that should help alleviate that however.
MrTroubleMaker
Gold Member
that's messed up 
ClovingWestbrook
Banned
Exuro said:
Ahh thanks for the correction.
phosphor112
Banned
No, Activision is worse, but regardless, there is no way to "legitimize" pirating. Pirating is wrong in every way. I HATE (i genuinely hate them...) Activision, but I'll never pirate their games.zoner said:
Ickman3400
Banned
Boken said:
As I said on the last page, it probably wouldn't be if someone was rich enough to take them to court.
If any regular person did, EA's lawyers would stall the case long enough to bankrupt them.
Absoludacrous
Member
That's crazy, I hope there's enough outrage to change their policy on that. There's zero reason a forum account and a game account need to be connected like that.
The Shadow
Member
ITT: People are actually shocked that EA would pull something like this.
lulz
lulz
Igor Antunov
Banned
I blame humanity.
This can't be allowed to become standard practice. Whats next, corporations running in elections?
This can't be allowed to become standard practice. Whats next, corporations running in elections?
GotEmRunnin said:
I'm always one to be optimistic,but EA is going to end up killing Bioware.Unless the doctors find the actual courage to leave the ship before the amount of damage is beyond repair.It's sad that I eventually learned from the Inon Zur interview about the fact that EA was behind the sorry state of Dragon age 2: Unlike other titles from Bioware, this [score] was kind of a rush job. EA really wanted to capitalize on the success of Origins, so the game was really being pushed hard to be released now. So I'd like to know if there are bugs, or if there's anything we could patch or fix.
The fact that the Old republic could very well be a bomb would just speed up the process.
Angry Fork said:
A guy was once banned from PSN based on his comments in a Resistance forum. He sued Sony and lost (though that guy was crazy).
People are banned all the time for violating the ToS on PSN and Xbox Live. You lose all your purchased games when you're banned.
This guy was banned for 72h ban for violating their ToS while using his EA account. If he was losing his account forever based on a single forum post I could understand the complaints, but talking about boycotting EA or being outraged by this simply boggles my mind.
LovingSteam said:
What the fuck are you talking about.
practice02
Banned
totally love that this happened.