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Game Informer: Miyamoto Talks Pikmin, Wii U, New IPs and the Future of 3D Mario
- Thread starter BowieZ
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Well said. I don't see why it's so outlandish that Nintendo would want to appeal to a broader range of people in an effort to boost console sales.
Because you know all the ins and outs of 3D World? I thought so.
NeonZ
Member
The main issue is that NSMBU has clearly shown that this kind of "broad appeal" doesn't work as a system seller. There's a high attach rate, but clearly it hasn't moved enough consoles. They'll likely just hit a wall again by going in the same direction with 3d Mario, unless the multiplayer explodes in popularity.
Considering the (lack of) sales for the system, it looks like they went with 3D World to attempt to boost the userbase. It will be interesting to see if it works.
That aside, here's hoping they release a 3D Mario title with 64/Sunshine/Galaxy controls, i.e. full analogue control and no run button.
3 Mario platforming series I guess.
Brainiac 8
Member
I really hope we see a Galaxy 3 on the WiiU.
In the meantime though, I'll be enjoying 3D World.
In the meantime though, I'll be enjoying 3D World.
People have probably reached their limit with the NSMB series as it doesn't differ too much from the Wii and 3DS versions in the eyes of the average person. SM3DW is introducing gameplay elements that haven't been seen before in 3D Mario games, I think this will be different.
Knux-Future
Banned
For sure, sometimes they stretch this too far.
If anything, they should at least use their other franchises. KI:U could have easily been Kirby's Air Ride Shooter EXTRRREEEEEME or something but it wasn't and thus we got a game that felt new.
I also think the real issue is that they launched the 3dS and then the Wii U kinda close to each other so we have to get through the known brands first and thus a lot of Mario games at once it seems. After ALTTP2 comes out, the 3DS should basically have all of it's core Nintendo franchises on it...so hopefully we begin to see something new (or Advance Wars...pls). The Wii U still have to get it's Mario Party, It's Mario Tennis, It's Mario Golf, It's Paper Mario, It's Animal Crossing, it's Zelda....add to the fact that it is bombing hard as fuck, I wouldn't expect anythign but stuff that sells at this point...because they gotta sell consoles..and like it or not, people aren't buying a Wii U for Jimmy Joes Adventure, no matter how awesome it might be. But they might buy it for Zelda or Mario. It's probably why Retro went with Donkey Kong over new stuff (or Metroid...trolololol) because it sells.
I definately want never before seen stuff from Nintendo or at least more revivals and stuff but I get why we don't see many of them.
They need to produce games for this system until 2017. Is anyone seriously expecting that they will put out all the franchises in the first 2 years?
Have you played Pikmin? Yes, it really would have to be sent
Not all, but the more 'hardcore' games earlier on for the hardcore userbase to enjoy since they bought their system at a high price.
Galaxy is a hardcore series now :'( - [And so in limbo like other 'HC' Nintendo series]
Wait, a mechanic that allowed you to travel between time periods is limited because it was included in a ZELDA game? What in the hell are you talking about? Have you heard of Ocarina of Time and Oracle of Ages?
The timestones were genius, but they would have gotten old if the entire game was about that.
JustRiffled
Banned
the next mario huh...I dunno, doesn't matter with what you come up with it will always be kind of a random looking mascot. like all the 90's mascots.
Their bet is bringing the popular series first (Mario 3d, DK, Mario Kart) to boost up the sales. They need this for both their "hardcore" series and 3rd party support. And actually the Nintendo "hardcore" series could benefit from this and become more popular. StarFox, F-Zero,metroid, StarTropics, Stunt Race Fx, wave race launched now would not sale together as much as Mario 3d and DK or Mario Kart alone.
The only question now is if this bet holds of.
Polioliolio
Member
Killing the immersion. They should have made the crane move faster. Not really a fan of that boat traveling faster either. There was already a shortcut function in the game.. The larger and deeper that ocean seems to be, the more I'm immersed into the game world.
Man, 'broad appeal' is responsible for hurting all beloved game concepts.
Since you played the whole game please give us your score and a small review.
Too bad that almost no one wanted a fucking Galaxy 3 but instead everyone expected an entire new Mario, get your factoids straight next time before naming everyones morons.
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
I'm not sure you people all understand. There's a split screen multiplayer mode on the GAMECUBE (and presumably this as well. ) Unless the WiiU has a cpu that is worse than the GC and can't budget sending online instructions, its absolute total BULLSHIT.
Are you sure? It seemed like the majority on this board wanted a Galaxy 3.
mocolostrocolos
Member
No online on Pikmin 3 due to CPU usage?
What the flying fuck?
What the flying fuck?
This would hold some water if it was the same game. Graphics are worlds apart from the GC version.
Bony Manifesto
Member
I have, but why? You're either throwing Pikmin at something as fast as you can hammer the button, or you're controlling the flock as a single unit. The worst-case scenario would be two players running into each other with their flocks out, but that would be a 50/50 cluster-fuck anyway, and I don't think anyone would notice any slight discrepancy in what they're seeing and what's happening in terms of the game logic. Hell, even offline the mechanics are not exactly what I'd call crisp, and can be (charmingly) haphazard and vague - if not downright buggy - at times.
His answers to the no-online Pikmin 3 and Gamepad integration are cringe-worthy.
Yeah the CPU stopped us from putting in multiplayer, and it's better to communicate in person. You really believe this shit? Nintendo is 500 steps behind in online, it's not in the game because they made the choice not to include it.
He basically says they dont have any ideas for the gamepad except for menus. /Insert MK Horn Pic
Yeah the CPU stopped us from putting in multiplayer, and it's better to communicate in person. You really believe this shit? Nintendo is 500 steps behind in online, it's not in the game because they made the choice not to include it.
He basically says they dont have any ideas for the gamepad except for menus. /Insert MK Horn Pic
Snowden's Secret
Banned
I think you may be the one not understanding?
How do you engineer your software to compensate for the latency from a hundred Pikmin being transferred online to four different machines at all times? You either have the lag or you divert processing power to compensate for it, no? It's not like the internet is magic, how does it work?
Over 3d World? Of course i would have preferred too but everyone was expecting and wanted a new thing.
Spieler Eins
Member
In other words, the mainline Mario games have now been completely devalued. And some potential Galaxy 3 certainly isn't gonna make this better anymore, in fact that would have also been disappointing (a tad less than 3D Land 2, but still).
At least some spin offs apparently keep up the standard you'd expect... (Dream Team preordered, hopefully delivered this week)
At least some spin offs apparently keep up the standard you'd expect... (Dream Team preordered, hopefully delivered this week)
entremet
Member
Wii U is still young. I'm sure we'll get an epic 3d mario game.
This. Perhaps he shouldn't give interviews anymore as it shows how out of touch the NCL management is.
What is new to you? This game seems pretty new and it is loads of fun to play(I played it at the Best Buy experience thingy). Does "NEW" trump fun?
This is a culmination of all of the Marios.
plagiarize
Banned
if you aren't doing that you're doing prediction on them, which, again, yeah is going to add more work to the CPU.
a flock of pikmin is not like a unit. it's a mix of lots of different little dudes with different abilities. if you lose the last of a specific type, because it wasn't tracking them all individually, you'd be frustrated no?
his answer gives us more evidence that the CPU is weak. what's the alternative to believe? laziness? it's not like the weak CPU makes Nintendo look great.
Guys, from my experience you don't need interviews to do your... usual stuff in Nintendo threads.
Is Pikmin 60 fps?
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
If the console is doing splitscreen multiplayer (note I havent said anything about 4 player, even 2 player online would be a feat!), the CPU is calculating all that shit on your screen, for those people. Take those people away off that screen, now its online. Sending the information of what that other player is doing as well as receiving in kind and running that through the CPU is something a 2012 console should be more than capable of. If its not, the entire hardware department needs firing into the sun.
Pikmin is also not some 120fps fighting game where "its impossible to play online". This is just the same old Nintendo liexcuse bullshit as there was with NSMB Wii/U/2 and of course the same that there will be for 3D World.
plagiarize
Banned
prediction isn't free.
what alternate reason to the one given are you suggesting? what motivation do Nintendo have to provide an alternative answer to the one you are suggesting?
It is not that easy, it really isn't. Other RTS games struggle with such things, as I mentioned in regards to Halo Wars. It's not just the processing of it, it's the transmitting and receiving of the data and translating it across two or more consoles, with latency.
The only way it could feasibly be done is by severely reducing the amount of Pikmin you can use. In doing so, it gimps the game.
How is 3dworld new when 3dland has been available for 2 years?
New is what SM64 has been confronted to World or how Galaxy has been confronted to 64...
Certainly it's not when you pick the same game add a couple of power ups and mantain the same exact gameplay and look (in case you don't get it i'm talking about NSMB series and at this point the 3d"something" series)
Oh and please, this is nothing like the culmination of all of the Mario games it lacks fundamental characteristics of some of the crucial mario games like the openness of the worlds and incredibly easy and tight controls, at best is a mix of controls of 2d games which translate awfully in a 3d world and look of Galaxy without the "organic planet" theme.
Bony Manifesto
Member
If you're using the flock movement thing, they you can't have any expectations about what type of units you're going to lose, as you don't have anything but broad control over it. If you're firing off the Pikmin individually, then I don't see why there should be a problem. Just because you're not sending fine detail about what every single Pikmin is doing for every single update doesn't mean the general status for each Pikmin isn't known by both clients.
toastyToast
Member
I don't like the line about new IPs. Old IPs have baggage, the history always comes up and has to accommodated for. A Zelda-like game where you play as a praying mantis is kind of different a Zelda game starring Link and all that triforce bullshit
Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Seem to remember there was plenty of fun to be had with Pikmin 2's multiplayer which had... what.... 50 Pikmin team counts?
Miyamoto has the right idea about new IPs.
Logistically, a character is only a character, and depending on how much you deviate from that said brand in terms of game play, it may make sense to merely apply all of said character into bringing new ideas. This is why Mario used to be a powerhouse of a franchise in terms of creativity because no bounds could stop him from being kind of an icon for innovation. Games like Paper Mario 2 proved he could thrive in a universe with anarchic rules and humor, while Galaxy wouldn't be nearly as fondly regarded if it were under any other character or name.
The issue is that they just don't come up with many brand new ideas for new games period, and if they do they don't get nearly the same amount of Nintendo recognition that they need to get from their publishers.
Local =/= Online. He's not arguing about the former.
Logistically, a character is only a character, and depending on how much you deviate from that said brand in terms of game play, it may make sense to merely apply all of said character into bringing new ideas. This is why Mario used to be a powerhouse of a franchise in terms of creativity because no bounds could stop him from being kind of an icon for innovation. Games like Paper Mario 2 proved he could thrive in a universe with anarchic rules and humor, while Galaxy wouldn't be nearly as fondly regarded if it were under any other character or name.
The issue is that they just don't come up with many brand new ideas for new games period, and if they do they don't get nearly the same amount of Nintendo recognition that they need to get from their publishers.
Local =/= Online. He's not arguing about the former.
Easy, it's new because it's a new game. Totally new levels, totally new mechanics, totally new multiplayer. It's not a port, it's a new game.
You say it lacks an openness of the worlds? Mario has seldom had that, it certainly didn't in Galaxy and Galaxy 2 which were, for the mostpart, incredibly linear. It also has easy and tight controls.
DragonSworne
Banned
If starcraft could have online multiplayer with 8 players each controlling 200 units that spread across multiple types back in 1998, then Pikmin3 can be online.
Anyone buying Miyamoto's excuse/lie is really naive.
Anyone buying Miyamoto's excuse/lie is really naive.