CrimsonSquall
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[Gamespot] Final Fantasy XV Story Cinematics [possibly spoilers]
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orthodoxy1095
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what the hell.
Fletcher has been Casting and Voice Director in every singleplayer, mainline FF since FFX. FFXII, too, but compared to other FFs it had excellent localization work done by Alexander O. Smith and Joe Reeder. See this very insightful interview with all three of them: http://www.usgamer.net/articles/a-v...ization-and-voice-acting-of-final-fantasy-xii
FFXIII's localization and VA recording was a mess, yeah. Even though Fletcher had quite a lot of freedom to change lines because SE trusted him after all the years of working together since FFX, he still had to work strictly around the Japanese source material and the fixed Japanese lip-sync for many scenes. Quoting an post of mine from last year:
xxdoshiyarovexx
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Yeah later in this trailer they run right up to Lucis and see the imperial army flying over. And the Japanese uncovered trailer where they call Cor on thier cell phones confirming the attack. Plenty of context.
encephalon
Member
I wonder if "moms are tough" was a flavor decision or a lip syncing issue.
Also, I'd really like to see what earlier drafts of the ffxiii ending looked like. Maybe the version we got attempted to mitigate disaster and still ended up as nonsense.
Also, I'd really like to see what earlier drafts of the ffxiii ending looked like. Maybe the version we got attempted to mitigate disaster and still ended up as nonsense.
Oh wow. For years I *really* wanted Kari to play Light. I'd just look at the character and hear her voice. That's so crazy.
The rest is pretty interesting, too. Sounds like they really tried, but yeah, the source material just isn't great.
Planeswalker
Neo Member
I'm fine with these VAs (although the lip syncing and stuff does seem off). The top VAs in every game end up sounding the same. Plus, I think there's lots of underrated VAs out there.
Finally, it's comparable to RL. Japanese voices are sometimes a bit too dramatized (where it doesn't feel like it fits like IRL). So, I don't mind if in games, there are some characters that talk only a certain tone even if they are supposed to feeling some emotional scene.
In Star Ocean 3, most of the VAs aren't well known but I still felt they did a great job at making the characters feel real and grounded. I like Fayt's VA especially. Fayt felt like just a normal person in some mess trying to do the right thing. Plus, there's lots of emotional scenes where he just talks like a normal person.
As for FFXV, outside of some of the accents, I'm fine with the voices.
Finally, it's comparable to RL. Japanese voices are sometimes a bit too dramatized (where it doesn't feel like it fits like IRL). So, I don't mind if in games, there are some characters that talk only a certain tone even if they are supposed to feeling some emotional scene.
In Star Ocean 3, most of the VAs aren't well known but I still felt they did a great job at making the characters feel real and grounded. I like Fayt's VA especially. Fayt felt like just a normal person in some mess trying to do the right thing. Plus, there's lots of emotional scenes where he just talks like a normal person.
As for FFXV, outside of some of the accents, I'm fine with the voices.
This is actually a believable reaction when someone dies unexpectedly. My brother had an asthmas attack last year and became brain dead and eventually died and I stayed at work like nothing happened because it was so incomprehensible to me that that could have happened.
People referencing Heavensward's VA must not have noticed the dip in quality for 3.3, but up until 3.3 has been pretty good.
It's weird that FFXIV generally has good voice work even though virtually none of it is done with actors working together, they send in their lines remotely.
It's weird that FFXIV generally has good voice work even though virtually none of it is done with actors working together, they send in their lines remotely.
Pre alpha footage strikes again!
Not sure if it was supposed to be sarcastic but I'm pretty sure it's from an old build, seems likely the same 2 hours Gameinformer got to play. It's missing a bit of the final post processing and color grading found in the Uncovered footage.
This is a weird point because it's really not comparable to RL. This is a story and the acting serves a function in that story. If it's efficient it communicates, on some level, what the characters think and feel from moment to moment and if it's effective, it gets the audience to empathize.
They don't seem to be going for any stilted performances here. It's not a whole party of Squall clones, these guys are very expressive. The acting and probably the direction just aren't good.
Yeah, I actually thought that was fairly realistic response to a very sudden death. When a death is so unexpected like that, it really takes a while to process, like it doesn't feel real.
I actually have no problem with what we've seen of the VA. Yes, it has a definite "anime" quality, but it doesn't seem quite as obnoxious as XIII. And, as Benzy pointed out above, I think there's going to be additional processing in the shipped scenes, not to mention Shimomura's score.
Is the reason they can't use phones because Niflheim knocked out communications? Or do the phones only work within a certain range of Lucis? IIRC, isn't the rest of the world comparably low-tech to Lucis/Insomnia?
Not sure if it was supposed to be sarcastic but I'm pretty sure it's from an old build, seems likely the same 2 hours Gameinformer got to play. It's missing a bit of the final post processing and color grading found in the Uncovered footage.
I'm just being sarcastic because every piece of footage we seem to get that gives us pause is seemingly from 6+ month old builds, though this one does seem to be older.
There's a scene from Uncovered where Noctis is screaming into his cell phone and it sounded really emotional and expressive, though I don't speak Japanese so I can't tell if he was screaming Days Of Our Lives line deliveries like the English actors seemed to in this footage.
Dark_castle
Junior Member
It really is. Felt really anticlimatic. Would have been more interesting like the original script of Versus XIII with Noctis and co. escaping from the city.
Also, Cindy's outfit is fucking embarrassing and awful. Beating the dead horse yeah, I cannot get over it.
Edit: Not sure why you need to spoiler tag that. This just happened in this very video.
Exentryk
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Final Fantasy XV |OT| Pretty good for a JRPG
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Ghost Slayer
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Dark_castle
Junior Member
I like how you made a great point and constructive feedback that genuinely help to improve the game yet received a net of 9 thumbs down because of the damn white knights and fanboys who fucking defend every decision that Square Enix made.
I actually like the scene in the room when they read the newspaper quite a bit.
The most jarring thing is that the lipsyncing is off, and it looks like this footage still lacks the final polish.
With music and animation tweaks, it will probably have better effect.
But I have to say, I really like Noctis' and Ignis' voices. I think the new Noctis voice is actually really fitting. The voice actor seems to have good potential.
The most jarring thing is that the lipsyncing is off, and it looks like this footage still lacks the final polish.
With music and animation tweaks, it will probably have better effect.
But I have to say, I really like Noctis' and Ignis' voices. I think the new Noctis voice is actually really fitting. The voice actor seems to have good potential.
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Game of thrones has good acting, regardless of the plot mire in that season.
See also Jrpg acting not HBO acting. Seemingly this game lacks no Plot.
Sammy Samusu
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Jesus, this game looks horrible. What the hell is going on with Final Fantasy.
It looks like some low effort from a random Japanese publisher.
The hairs, the characters, the story, the lack of shadows, the voice acting...
Eek.
It looks like some low effort from a random Japanese publisher.
The hairs, the characters, the story, the lack of shadows, the voice acting...
Eek.
SoulUnison
Banned
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This is pretty good.
I also think we can plug in the "Noctis, we really are the (15th) Final Fantasy."
Darkangel
Member
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that.
Final Fantasy XV has really weird looking graphics. It's like some parts are super detailed, while others look kind of below average. These cutscenes look like the developers left the fullbright console command on.
Not sure if it was supposed to be sarcastic but I'm pretty sure it's from an old build, seems likely the same 2 hours Gameinformer got to play. It's missing a bit of the final post processing and color grading found in the Uncovered footage.
From what it sounds like the build played by press recently is actually newer than Uncovered. I think what we're seeing here is a different time of day. A lot of the official press material between Uncovered and E3 have used special cherry picked lighting conditions(particularly at sunset/sunrise).
It feels like this scene is really difficult for them to light as it's indoor, but you can see out door, and it's possible to see this scene at different times of day. Not sure if they do this, but these scenes could really use special post processing settings and lighting setups so they can ensure it looks good no matter when you encounter it(Witcher 3 does this). If they're already doing this, then they need to give this scene another pass, because the ambient lighting coming from their skylight is way too bright and is making the interior look flat.
The Japanese scene looked great during Uncovered.
I mean, I 100% get that I don't understand Japanese and I won't actually be getting the intended meaning, but I feel like Suzuki and the rest of the voice actors actually understand their roles with the way they talk about them. To my untrained ears, the Japanese voice acting has sounded stupidly good for this game in particular.
https://youtu.be/M4KqgmmzZPY?t=49s
The 30 second section from that timestamp especially. I can only hope that they actually have the Japanese script translated as part of the subtitles, but I know there's basically no shot at that. *sigh*
wtf man.
I mean, I 100% get that I don't understand Japanese and I won't actually be getting the intended meaning, but I feel like Suzuki and the rest of the voice actors actually understand their roles with the way they talk about them. To my untrained ears, the Japanese voice acting has sounded stupidly good for this game in particular.
https://youtu.be/M4KqgmmzZPY?t=49s
The 30 second section from that timestamp especially. I can only hope that they actually have the Japanese script translated as part of the subtitles, but I know there's basically no shot at that. *sigh*
wtf man.
artsi
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Global illumination does that when there's no direct light source, just scattered light from all around you (in shade, indoor scenes, overcast weather, etc.) that don't cast hard shadows. There should be some "secondary" shadows of course but I don't think any game engine handles that kind of GI complexity yet.
AC: Unity also had some complaints based on certain screenshots that there are no shadows because of that.
Direct vs scattered light:
I promise you that the mainstream audiences they're trying to reach are not looking for that in their games.
AtomskEater
Member
I'm honestly going to go ahead and do this. No music in the scenes, a collection of weird snippets with no context, and weird lip syncing is not really what people want to see to inspire confidence. Sure the game is still some months away so there's always aspects of it that'll be getting polished up until then (and even after, thanks to patching).
I feel like going on media blackout because I see or hear something that hypes me up and then they release a terrible looking clip and it's like what are you thinking.
I'm not sure they'll be reached with VO of current quality either.
The way the characters are indirectly lit is really similar to the gameinformer footage, which itself just looked like it was completely missing the final lighting and shading touches of Uncovered. Even the outside scenes of the e3 video looks weird and off to me. We've seen in Episode Duscae where outside lighting affects indoors and it easily looks much better compared to this new E3 stuff that looks really flat overall.
gameinformer
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episode duscae
It definitely doesn't look to have the finishing touches that Uncovered seems to depict. Duscae comes closer to Uncovered for in-door scenes.
e3
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We can prefer the original scenario and daydream it to be better than what we're getting now. I wouldn't blame anyone for doing that. The original premise sounded great.
But the whole idea for the new premise is that Noctis is left out in the cold by his father, his fiancé (Luna leaves to Insomnia when Noctis is on the way to wed her), Cor, etc. It's clear that they intentionally didn't tell Noctis of the events that were transpiring, and it took an offhand daily newspaper for them to figure out that Insomnia had been invaded.
artsi
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e3
uncovered
Hmm this seems like the same scene with poorly adjusted levels in the Uncovered trailer (see all those crushed blacks), you can do the same to top one with Photoshop or by adjusting TV black levels. There's more contrast because of that, but I don't see any technical differences in lighting.
e3
uncovered
This example is more difficult to compare, the top environment is different and has the whole room saturated with (indirect, scattered) light by multiple huge windows, there's light everywhere which would make the lighting overall more flat. Bottom one seems to be darker, with light coming in from smaller windows and then scattering to the room. There could even be a secondary light source, but can't really say.
If they want the games to bomb in North America sure.
Yeah, it's really hard to say if the footage is actually of a different quality build. We know that the lighting system used makes the game look drastically different at different times of day.
Hence the "Unity downgrade!" shenanigans for an indoor shot that were eventually proven false.
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