punkmaggit
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Still not buying until they come up with an account system that's not tied to the console itself.
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GBA VC on Wii U starting April 3rd
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With how they treated Days of Ruin in Japan and with how much Fire Emblem Awakening was a success, I doubt we'll ever see another AW again.
Complain about the type of filter. But it makes sense to use a filter. The games were built for CRTs, not for LCD/LED/Plasmas. Which means if you can see single pixels, emulation is not perfect as in "it doesn't look like it looked back then". The player wasn't supposed to see single pixels.
Some people like that, sure. But it's not accurate.
The ambassador games show that it's somewhat possible, but not well done. I personally don't want to pay a few EUR for half-assed games. If I wanted that, I would get Ubisoft HD collections on PS3.
PlumCantaloupe
Member
Nintendo makes it so difficult to defend them when considering their seemingly irrational Virtual Console release strategy. It is like they have one restless intern sitting in a dark cubicle and in charge of porting VC titles.
The GB player was a Game Boy.
Cool. Never played the first Advance Wars. Not paying something like 15€ for this Nintendo though. Anything over 10€ is too much for a digital GameBoy Advance games these days.
They already confirmed it was coming.
Those people don't exist. VC is where it is because Nintendo hasn't been putting any resources towards it. It's not a priority for them.
They already confirmed it was coming.
Those people don't exist. VC is where it is because Nintendo hasn't been putting any resources towards it. It's not a priority for them.
I'm just a fanboy
I love Nintendo with all of my heart, and that does sometimes make me a bit bias. I don't have an agenda.Well a SNES is hard to accurately emulate, as seen in that link I provided earlier. Emulation is a tricky business if you're going for accurate.
As has been stated here, the Ambassador games have emulation issues, run in a haphazard way of GBA mode through DS mode, lock out 3DS features including sleep mode. It's a different beast to properly emulate them.
Already confirmed to be coming this April
I wouldn't really go that far. People just have unrealistic expectations. If something is not possible, then it's not possible and it's a bit ridiculous to have such over-reactions that have been in this thread.
I do apologise if I have been confrontational though, and shall desist but only provide facts in this thread from here-on.
I don't think they want to do it without sorting out the connectivity aspect, and that's an extra complication which almost certainly requires some dedicated development time.
Gonzo The Great
Banned
And? Isn't that what an emulator is supposed to do? I really hope this is a case where the screenshots of the game look worse than the game itself. Nintendo has done this with VC games in the past.
The GBA Player wasn't an emulator, it had actual GBA components in it.
Possible, but the screenshots they've posted of Wii U emulated GBA games are pretty nice
hope they release wario ware twisted
Would require special handling of the unique hardware, but it'd be glorious to have it available for the first time in Europe. Mind you, you'd absolutely *have* to play it on the pad, there; it wouldn't work, conceptually, on a TV.
Or just not have it. Red/Blue on the VC would have a lot in common with B2/W2 come May 20th...
LegendofLex
Member
No, what Oersted means is they made a Game Boy that could plug into a SNES (and later a GBA that could plug into a GameCube).
Emulation tries to make a Game Boy game run on a Wii U. Since the comptuing hardware isn't the same, getting that environment to run correctly requires some pretty precise tuning. Very different.
ConradCervantes
Banned
Think of it as the GameBoy Advance player is to the GBA as the Vita TV is to the Vita.
Gonzo The Great
Banned
You posted a screenshot where Mario's scleras and gloves are gray instead of white. That's a troubling sign of things to come.
You can still connect locally to another, right?
Jaded Alyx
Member
Was about to say I feel kinda 'meh' on GBA VC...but then I saw fucking Advance Wars.
Also true. I think that's the filter that counters the over-brightening that existed in early GBA games due to the lack of any illumination on the screen. It is a shame, though.
Look, here is Nintendo's reality. They are in a world where people can download an emulator, play their games on phones with enough accuracy that they are satisfied in doing so. This gives Nintendo zero money and people zero incentive to buy their product ever again.
If they want any hope in combating this, they should get to work. Because they're losing. Or they have already lost.
People have shown that they are willing to pay for good quality if the price is right. I'm not saying Nintendo has to compromise the worth of their IPs, but their stance is shown to be complete bullshit.
matrix-cat
Member
Thank goodness they're releasing them one at a time. Don't want to flood that market, slow and steady wins the race.
I have no clue.
But it IS possible. There are no "facts" that say otherwise. Your only point is to say that Nintendo wants us all to have glorious perfect emulation, in the face of evidence that Nintendo doesn't really care about glorious perfect emulation. You/someone else? also made the point about Nintendo caring deeply about connectivity of these older games - as if this wasn't the same Nintendo that is shutting down the still active Wii & DS servers.
Nintendo just doesn't care about virtual console. Full stop. It's a side job they put people in Japan on when they have spare time. Then, when people in NOE or NOA have spare time (whose primary job is porting over eShop stuff), those people port over the VC games. The end. It's a sad tale of glorious hope, dashed by Nintendo not wanting to spend any money at all on the service.
The current VC services (or lack of service) boils down to Nintendo's budget priorities - it has nothing to do with the technical feasibility of the 3DS. And right now, with Wii U sales flailing, their budget prioirty is to boost their sinking console. So Wii U gets the budget request for GBA emulation approved. That's probably like, half of what Nintendo plans to spend on VC for all systems for the year. Hooray! Enjoy the bare bones, no feature added ports of your handheld games on your home console. Don't complain about lacking any features emulators were sporting over a decade, ago, though - they're going for accuracy - except for the features they did add, those are just Nintendo being SO AWESOME.
Ken Masters
Banned
Why the hell is this not on 3DS?
Not going to want to play GBA games on 55 inch HDTV
Not going to want to play GBA games on 55 inch HDTV
What makes you think this is a fight they should have? Hard to compete against free you know. I'd rather have them working on completely different aspects that emulation. Luckily this seems to be the case.
Again, it's possible in the most haphazard way which is against what they are doing with the Virtual Console and has issues. When even Sleep Mode is disabled in order to get it working, you know there's severe limitations.
I'm aware of this, but still there must have been some emulation element in it, since all the games I ran on that thing perfomed significantly worse on my TV, compared to how they did on the actual GBA.
So then play them on the gamepad instead.
Emulation can be really complicated... Going to love playing this on my gamepad.
It's an 11.5-year-old game.
Released for a 13+-year-old mobile hardware.
Playing on a <1.5-year-old hardware.
Please.
Robin64
Member
Most of the issues were a result of the games being displayed on a TV. For example, F-Zero used an extremely fast flicker effect to make its maps appear transparent. On a TV, you see the map as flickery, because that's really what's happening. But it looks completely wrong.
So use 6.2" Gamepad screen instead. Some people...
So let's get this straight. When 3DS features for DS games don't work, that's not good, but when Nintendo refuses to release games because they don't mirror the exact experience of playing it on the old hardware (which lacked those new features), that is good?
Or put another way, shouldn't Nintendo be eager to release GBA games that lack sleep mode on the 3DS? That's the accurate emulation they're striving for, right?
LegendofLex
Member
I think it has less to do with "prop up Wii U" and more to do with the fact that people keep asking for Iwata's head because of the lack of game portability between devices.
And since their current platforms aren't designed with portability between devices in mind, and 3DS definitely isn't the better candidate from which to build a future-proof/device-portable architecture... The fact of the matter is that Nintendo is not investing in either of their currently sinking ships (guess what: 3DS, like Wii U in the console space, is tracking to be the worst-selling Nintendo handheld ever) - they are investing in the future.
Satoru Iwata said:
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/events/140130qa/02.html
This behavior should, if anything, be encouraged.
Oh, I see. Thanks!
Whether they should have it or not, doesn't matter. The fight came to them. You know who tackled that fight? Know who fought against free? Valve. Now who won that fight? Valve.
Nintendo is fighting their own fight now. One of their own making (VC as a concept is great and Sony has proven its great) and one knocking at their door.
Professor Renegade
Banned
Why isn't this on the 3DS? Didn't ambassadors get Metroid Fusion?
I don't understand why this was not available a year ago.
Ken Masters
Banned
I hope this doesn't have the same blurring and brightness problems that the GBA games had on 3DS, but the picture in the OP looks very dim.
To me the Ambassador GBA titles were unplayable, it was like going back to the non-backlit OG GBA.
To me the Ambassador GBA titles were unplayable, it was like going back to the non-backlit OG GBA.
I don't think it will. It's one of the things that the single emulator finetuned for each game can solve rather than loading the game in DS mode through the console's RAM.
Just have to wait and see though
No it won't Gen 4 and 5 can still be traded locally meaning you still can get all the Pokémon, especially those that are version exclusive or require trading to evolve something that can't be done for gen 1 and 2.
Furthermore the Pokémon in gen 4 and 5 can be transferred over to gen 6 whereas the Pokémon in gen 1 and 2 can't go any further than gen 2 as Game Freak cut them off the connection in gen 3.
Yes you can, you just won't be able to trade or battle on-line. Which to be honest isn't a problem since those Pokémon can be transferred to gen 6.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
GBA Advance Wars were the best Advance Wars. Would rather have this for 3DS though.
You complained about the screen size, Gamepad offers a good screen for those games. Problem?