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Gears of War 4 Limited Edition Console Leaked
- Thread starter jbug617
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Thanks for clarifying.
In regards to your point I agree that it won't sell tons (like the Destiny and Arkham examples you mentioned) I agree. So that obviously wasn't MS strategy when they did this. This is more in line with the Halo 5 console last year. And while Sony fanboys mock it, it must of made enough profit to do this or otherwise they would change their strategy very likely.
To compare this price to the lowest price S is still disingenuous as the 2TB does matter for those this was designed for and I would hope you realize that despite your agenda. The ones that want the lowest entry price will pick that and the more hardcore gamer (and more hardcore Gears) gamer will pick this LE one. They are choices being presented by MS. It's not like they are doing away with the cheaper SKUs they are giving more options for different types of gamers. What's so terrible about that?
I don't know why you keep ignoring The central point this wasn't made for the gamer you keep talking about, but for the gamer that likes Gears and more hardcore than what you mention and thus the 2TB will be very beneficial
But carry on........
EDIT: removed my GwG commentary as it has absolutely zero relevance in this
friskykillface
Banned
Eh not bad , might just get it and sell the download code to get the price to at least $400
This will match my red metal gear PS4
This will match my red metal gear PS4
Welfare
Member
Your price argument doesn't make sense since the Destiny bundle and the Batman bundle sold for $449 each, with the Destiny bundle selling 300k in September 2014 (was basically the main SKU in that month) and the Batman bundle sold 121k in June 2015. The Halo 5 bundle was $499 and sold 93k in October 2015.
The market for limited expensive consoles is different to the market that would purchase the system for the lowest cost possible. This bundle actually has a lot more value compared to the 3 bundles mentioned above with 2TB and $99 version of Gears 4 for $449.
He knows this just is keeping this up for.....reasons
GinoFelino
Member
That's bloody ugly
Chobel
Member
"Sony fanboys", "your agenda", you're funny, I don' even own a Playstation system and I critisise Sony decisions as much as MS' (maybe not as much, Sony does fewer poor decisions). So maybe you should stick to attacking my arguments instead of this these ad-hominem attacks.
Let's see your arguments:
Except it didn't really work, Sony beat them handily last year and this year (The Divsion 1TB bundle).
When discussing sales? Yes comparing it to cheapest (more like to the popular SKU) makes more sense. I'm not discussing its value here, I don't think I even commented on that. I'm talking about maximizing XB1 sales, they could have done two LE bundle one cheap 500GB and one 2TB for so called "hardcore" guys.
XB1:
Code:
Killer Instinct Season 1 Ultra Edition
Zheros
Hand of Fate
Styx: Master of Shadows
Sherlock Holmes: Crimes and Punishments
Lords of the Fallen
The Wolf Among Us
Sunset Overdrive
Defense Grid 2
Costume Quest 2
Goat Simulator
The Crew
The Banner Saga 2
Tumblestone360:
Code:
DiRT Showdown
Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Sacred Citadel
Gears of War 2
Supreme Commander 2
Borderlands
Dead Space
Saints Row IV
Grid 2
Peggle
Super Meat Boy
XCOM: Enemy Unknown
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas 2
Tron: Evolution---------------------------------
PS4 was $400 at the time.
"The market for limited expensive consoles is different to the market that would purchase the system for the lowest cost possible", Destiny bundle says other wise. And they can offer non custom design LE bundle for maximizing sales even more.
UND3RxOATH
Neo Member
Cancelled my digital Gears of War pre-order. Will wait to pre-order this instead. Gears is life.
BumblebeeCody
Member
Lovely!
The Sony fanboy comment was in general not you specifically.
And yes you have some agenda here it's pretty obvious. Since you are picking and choosing points it seems to come across that way. You keep dodging the point that this isn't for the type of gamers you keep depicting.
EDIT: I'm also saying this as from what I've read of your posts you seem pretty intelligent so the idea of different products for different types of gamers isn't beyond your grasp. You just come across as avoiding this part of the discussion.
As for the others again we are looking at this from two different wavelengths. You are all about how this won't sell more than PS4. But I'm saying that wasn't their intent with this particular console, it's not for the masses.
thepenguin55
Member
Did Dude Huge design this?
Chobel
Member
Again with "agenda" talk? If you're not gonna argue with me in a good faith, I may as well stop replying to you because you're not gonna listen to anything I say.
Feel free to report me to mods if you think I'm shitposting.
Just what I was going to say. That metallic red color is gorgeous. I'm actually interested in this.
User 479360
Banned
I want it -- or at least the controller -- but won't be in the market for a console when it's out.
See my EDIT.
Having an agenda isnt the same as shitposting at all. Most here have some sort of agenda in their discussions. Doesn't mean it's terrible. I'm just curious why you are refusing to discuss the concept this was designed for the more hardcore type and not the general gamer you keep using for your examples.
Also why you refuse to discuss that MS didn't make this to "outsell" PS4 that month
Sectorseven
Member
Not bro enough for me.
Welfare
Member
The only PS4 SKU was the 500GB. The limited bundles were $50 more expensive to that, just like this 2TB limited bundle is $50 more expensive than the regular 2TB.
And even then, the Halo 5 LE bundle was $499. The cheapest XB1 SKU was $349. The Halo 5 bundle still sold 91k in 2 weeks, and that was "$150 more".
Chobel
Member
Agenda has a really negative connotation, pretty much meaning I'm not here to discuss in a good faith. So yeah, it's terrible when someone has an agenda and it's borderline shitposting, so you can understand why I don't like to be accused of doing so. Just because I believe strongly in one opinion, doesn't mean I have an agenda.
And I'm not refusing to discuss the concept "this was designed for the more hardcore", I mean no shit, my whole argument is MS did only that and didn't take this opportunity to try and maximize XB1 sales. I'm not against the idea of expensive Gears SKU, I'm against making Gears SKU really expensive. They can fix that with:
a) Only one SKU, but way cheaper one (This one option you
b) Making multiple SKUs with one of them being priced very close to most popular SKU (500GB) (This satisfy both of us)
TL;DR: I'm not avoiding it, more like it's irrelevant to my point.
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And how many people will look at it that way? I bet no so many, most casuals will see it as $150 more expensive.
inb4 "you always wrong in your bets".
EDIT: I remembered, Titanfall bundle sold much much better even though it was priced the same, meaning the price of the cheapest SKU matters.
91K is low, they could have sold shit a lot more if Halo 5 SKU was $349/$399.
To start with we have different views over the use of the term agenda and I'll leave it at that. I want to clarify I don't think you are shit posting.
Now for your other points I had the same questions when the Halo 5 bundle came out last year. It did not make any sense at all to me at the time. My guess is that what ever their strategy was it must've worked satisfactorily enough to do it again with this Gears bundle. They may have discovered that this is their best way to maximize profit as to be frank there's no way that they're ever going to outsell Sony this generation.
And just like what they did with Halo 5 probably about this time next summer is when will see a cheaper bundle that includes gears of war is for for the people who don't have to buy it day one and want to lower entry price.
They can't outsells Sony so what they're doing is staggered releases in order to maximize the profits off their two biggest franchises possible.
Maybe they only produced 100K of these?
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
I would have dropped it down to 1TB and included GoW: UE to have it around a reasonable $400.
I mean why don't you throw in a free annuity too in this? Amirite
Silent Chief
Member
It has fake scratches?
Chobel
Member
Then MS clearly has weird way to show they care about profits in hardware. This year alone XB1 deals were absolutely crazy whether it's free games, gift cards, temporarily price cuts, real official price cuts... You name it.
I mean, you're the one arguing against me because I like a cheaper SKU version. But hey if the word "hate" is strong, then my bad, I'm sorry.
Edit: Oh it's the "really" part? Alright, I guess that sounded confrontational, apologies about it.
Love it. So much better than the boring ass stencil exhibition we got from Sony on their Batman/Star Wars/Uncharted consoles.
...This is the new S model. It costs 399.
...This is the new S model. It costs 399.
Price cuts always happen.....so for those they did what every console mft has ever done? And that's weird to you? Um, okay.........don't know what your point is here but to pile on a negative connotation.
There have been some good deals and frankly there are crazy deals now......but the ones now make sense as the S is coming out.
Maybe they are also trying to do a balancing act? Need to maximize profit off the hardcore Gears fanbase to help subsidize these wacky price cuts?
Welfare
Member
The casuals don't buy these things if they are limited. They always sell less compared to the normal SKU's because they are meant to be a premium item for a premium price. Microsoft knows Gears of War 4 will sell consoles at $299 and they know there is market for premium consoles for a much higher price. They are still selling consoles, just some of them are being sold for a higher cost.
Who would choose the $499 XB1 when there is a $499 Titanfall bundle? It was a replacement meant to be a "PLEASE BUY THIS" bundle. How does that mean the cheapest SKU matters? It was literally the better SKU.
91k isn't low for a $499 limited bundle. That 91k was 30% of all XB1's sold in October. How is that not good for a limited bundle that cost's $150 more than the cheapest option?
Also, that didn't stop a consumer from buying a $349 XB1 with Halo 5. Why would MS give away Halo 5 at launch to new consumers? They want to make money and they did when consumers bought a $349 bundle along with Halo 5 and even more with the $499 Halo 5 bundle.
Besides the desperate Titanfall bundle, game bundles at launch are always more expensive than the standard SKU. This has happened for years, and MS has always had very expensive console bundles.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
Chobel
Member
My point? Many times MS didn't care about profiting in hardware, they just cared about moving more units. Just do the same in Gears case.
So you think these kind of deals (which involve losing on hardware) will stop once XB1S hits? I can almost guarantee you this fall and next year there will be even more crazier deals (countering PS4 neo and PSVR).
The point is still the same, you're gonna lose money on hardware either way, so you may as well move more units by doing a cheaper Gears SKU.
I could have agreed with you except for one part: the sales of this bundle are gonna low for it to even make a difference.
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Here's something they can do, keep this premium SKU and have another a bit more Normal SKU but bundled with gears.
Do you think it was No game 500GB SKU + $650 (or $600) Titanfall bundle the sales would be the same?
Similar question: Imagine this bundle was priced at $350-$300, you think the sales outcome will close to it being $450?
91K is good for $499, but it's not good if you can a $400 option and make it sell +150K easy. Again MS could easily sold much better if they made Halo 5 bundle more affordable to people.
Another question for you: Say Sony made Destiny bundle $550, you think it would have sold +500K in NPD? Remember, people at the time had an option buy the normal PS4 + Destiny for price of $460 (close to $450)
Just do $350 Gears bundle? You don't need to go all the way to $450.
Valid points. I had many of the same questions and thoughts last fall with the Halo 5 bundle.
For whatever reason their rationale for doing it and the results then must have done well enough to justify them doing it again.
Chobel
Member
I guess, they have more data and market research than anything I can even dream to have and they have analysts with experience than me, so I may be well not be wrong. However some times they don't make the best business decisions, and I really think Halo 5 and this year Gears 4 are one of these times
Yeah, I've seen quite a few of them around and this one will sell a lot as well this fall.
Yeah, shame a lot haven't made it to the West.
Beautiful console.
I agree with you that they dont always make the best decisions and they could be making a mistake here.
However I would hope that for their division and shareholders that after Doing it with Halo 5 and seeing how the results lined up with their expectation that if it failed then they wouldn't turn around and do the same thing again this year. That goes from "not the best" decision to flat out stupidity.
secretanchitman
Member
Looks awful. Microsoft made better 360 LEs than the Xbone LEs..
BinaryBear07
Member
Looks good. I am keeping my Sunset Overdrive white console though.
Welfare
Member
They don't need to do that though. If someone wants an XB1 and Gears 4, they can buy the $299/$349 SKU and Gears 4. If they want the Limited SKU, they can shell out $449 for a better value than the first option. Why would MS cut out the first option and just give a $299/$349 Gears bundle? Gears will sell consoles on its own, it would be burning money giving it away in cheap bundles.
If MS gave Titanfall a limited bundle, it would've been $549. I think it would've done about the same as it did in reality, which was 218k. The regular no game SKU would have done much worse though.
To the second question, it's all relative. It would be priced higher than the regular SKU and would be marketed as a more limited premium bundle to buy, so in that case, yeah they would still be similar.
There were $349 bundles consumers picked up that could've also gotten Halo 5 with the purchase for $409.98. Consumers could've also purchased the $399 1TB SKU's and then spend a total of $459.98. Why would MS make a bundle that limits spending options when they can get an additional $10 - $60 when consumers buy them separately?
Sony would have to justify the cost of it being $150 more than the $399 500GB, but even then, no it wouldn't sell as much. They would clearly want it to be a special package. However, those sales would transfer to the $399 SKU anyway.
If it were a 500GB bundle, sure. This isn't that though. It is meant to be a premium package that the hardcore will buy. Even then, this bundle is a pretty good one when it comes to value.
Option 1) Want a 2TB Xbox One? That'll be $399
Want Gears 4? That'll be an additional $59
Option 2) Want a 2TB Xbox One with Gears 4? Get the limited bundle that comes with 2TB, a unique console skin, and the $99 version of Gears 4 for just $10 less than option 1.
Even going with just the $299 SKU plus Gears 4, it's only $90 more to get 4x the HD space (Less expensive than the $100 gap between the 500GB and 2TB SKU) and the Ultimate edition of Gears 4, which is $40 more expensive than the standard Gears 4.
finalflame
Gold Member
Wow, that's gross. What's up with limited edition consoles this generation being extremely tacky?
User 479360
Banned
Now that I saw the price is $450 USD...no fucking way.
That's a great controller. It's been my main for some time.
I hope this controller will be sold separately, because I'd buy it.
It wouldn't be the first time.
MS loves fake damage.
That's a great controller. It's been my main for some time.
I hope this controller will be sold separately, because I'd buy it.
The 18th Letter
Banned
So many people upset about the price for a system they wouldn't buy anyway because it's tasteless
Square Triangle
Member
Sony released an Uncharted 500GB bundle for $400.
I'd say $50 more for a 2TB is a much better price point than what Sony offered. All of MS' bundle options vary in price so I don't see anything wrong with what they've been doing.
Hibiki Kurosawa
Member
I dunno, I like it. Looks cool.
Chobel
Member
Someone brought to my attention that Battlefield 1 is happening in the same month, so possibly MS are doing BF1 bundle instead. So I'm dropping this subject, at least until we know all MS plans for the holiday.
Sorry guys, it was premature for me to do this, I just assumed it will be repeat of what happened last year.
See this is where we disagree, You think bundles don't matter when it comes to sales, I think they do and significantly so. IMO if Destiny bundle wasn't a thing PS4 won't have made it post 450K. I also think if MS had Halo bundle instead of Gears UE bundle, they could sold more, and maybe even win NPD months.
BTW: I have nothing against the value of bundle, just was discussing the business part of it.
Sorry guys, it was premature for me to do this, I just assumed it will be repeat of what happened last year.
See this is where we disagree, You think bundles don't matter when it comes to sales, I think they do and significantly so. IMO if Destiny bundle wasn't a thing PS4 won't have made it post 450K. I also think if MS had Halo bundle instead of Gears UE bundle, they could sold more, and maybe even win NPD months.
BTW: I have nothing against the value of bundle, just was discussing the business part of it.
