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GeForce GTX 1060 announced - July 19, 6GB, $249 MSRP/$299 Founder's

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So much for AMD's endeavor in making the mid-range affordable for the masses.
Always lies.

This is slightly ridiculous. How do you take 1060s apparently bad pricing and then blame AMD for it. The 480 *should* be a lot cheaper but I will wait for confirmation on the prices.
 

Aldebaran

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Yeah you could put 60€ on top of that 399 one and get a standard 1070. Which I think is also too much for the 1070, but I'd rather do that.



Here in Germany you can get a normal 8GB 480 for 269€.
On that website you can get the XFX 480 for 270€, I'd say it's a fair price.

EDIT: nope, last week the prices were lower, now it's 299€. My bad.
 

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This is slightly ridiculous. How do you take 1060s apparently bad pricing and then blame AMD for it. The 480 *should* be a lot cheaper but I will wait for confirmation on the prices.

I mean, even the RX 480 here in France is ridiculously overpriced.
So much for everyone saying midrange GPU will finally be affordable and brought to the masses.
 

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I mean, even the RX 480 here in France is ridiculously overpriced.
So much for everyone saying midrange GPU will finally be affordable and brought to the masses.

Yeah, I'm a bit floored by the AUD$500 price of this fucking thing (and I've been banging on about this for at least two GPU generations now, lol). I mean, it's not surprising anymore when these mid range cards are this expensive, so I can't really explain my involuntary gut reaction, which in turn causes me further consternation. Vicious cycle!
 
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Little reflexion about pricing and FE popular discontent 1h before release.

Back at 2011 I bought one of the best AIB version of GTX560ti for 184€.

It was based on a full GF114 chip, 384 cores, 1GB of RAM on a 256 bit bus, 360mm2 die size.

Absolute high end part from Nvidia was GTX580, based on full GF110 chip, 512 cores, 1,5GB of RAM on a 384 bit bus, 520mm2 die size.

So I got 75% of top end card cores, 66,67% of RAM, 66,67% of bus width and 65% of total transistor count. At least that chip got +6,48% higher default clocks to alleviate the difference. More when factoring OC on both cards.

Now, with 1060, I would have to pay around 350€ for 50% cuda cores coming from 1080, with lower clocks on core and much lower clocks on memory on a 200mm2 die. But thing becomes absolutely terrible when we use the real, still unreleased, top end chip from Nvidia, reserved for Titan/ti. It should be based on GP102, with 384 bit bus if they can't manage to use HBM yet, 1060 would sport 33,33% of cores, 50% of memory at best considering a 12GB ti, 50% of bus width on top much lower memory clock and 41,84% of die size.

Scam falls short. But it is what it is with the beggar competence we have to suffer.
 

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Little reflexion about pricing and FE popular discontent 1h before release.

Back at 2011 I bought one of the best AIB version of GTX560ti for 184€.

It was based on a full GF114 chip, 384 cores, 1GB of RAM on a 256 bit bus, 360mm2 die size.

Absolute high end part from Nvidia was GTX580, based on full GF110 chip, 512 cores, 1,5GB of RAM on a 384 bit bus, 520mm2 die size.

So I got 75% of top end card cores, 66,67% of RAM, 66,67% of bus width and 65% of total transistor count. At least that chip got +6,48% higher default clocks to alleviate the difference. More when factoring OC on both cards.

Now, with 1060, I would have to pay around 350€ for 50% cuda cores coming from 1080, with lower clocks on core and much lower clocks on memory on a 200mm2 die. But thing becomes absolutely terrible when we use the real, still unreleased, top end chip from Nvidia, reserved for Titan/ti. It should be based on GP102, with 384 bit bus if they can't manage to use HBM yet, 1060 would sport 33,33% of cores, 50% of memory at best considering a 12GB ti, 50% of bus width on top much lower memory clock and 41,84% of die size.

Scam falls short. But it is what it is with the beggar competence we have to suffer.

GF114 was a second generation Fermi GPU made on an old, proven and cheap process. Same was with 700 and 900 series. 10 series is like 600 and 400 series in that it's a new process which have higher costs by default. Prices will go down next year with 11 series and possible the first Volta GPUs.
 

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So much for AMD's endeavor in making the mid-range affordable for the masses.
Always lies.

Lol Can't tell if serious.

Edit:

If you meant mini, there are, not sure whether there are any half height cards out there if that's what you want.

Yeah, this particular HTPC requires a half-height / low-profile GPU. I'm guessing the 460 or 1050 will be the best we can expect this go around, but I've had my fingers crossed that one of the AIBs would figure out how to cram a 470 or 1060 into a LP form-factor.
 

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LOL at these specs. They've managed to get only +100MHz out of all this additional h/w?
 

Memorabilia

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Completely serious.
PC gaming is still far too expensive for its own good.

Agree 100%. But calling out AMD for "lying" about bringing the cost of PC gaming down is a bit rich when we look at nVidia's FE shenanigans. AMD can't be faulted for trying. The problem is market momentum and mindshare are extremely difficult to change. So, merely being competitive with good prices isn't enough to force nVidia to suddenly become more pro-consumer.

Until then, nVidia will price gouge. Because they can. And in response to the 1060 perhaps AMD will drop 480 / 470 / 460 pricing if they want to gain market share. Or, they won't and they'll tread water. Either way they didn't "lie". They simply didn't bring a product *quite* compelling enough to really shake things up as they expected to (no doubt in part due to unexpected inconsistencies with GloFo's 14nm process). The 480 is a very good product. But it's not quite good enough to be "disruptive" at the $250 price point, especially with the 1060 coming in at slightly faster DX11 speeds and similar advertised pricing (what real pricing and availability turns out to be is another story). The 480 is what the 380 should have been. It's a step in the right direction. Maybe Vega will be what the 480 should have been.
 

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I think the 480 is a better deal: cheaper and more future proof (dx12, vulkan).

Should be in line with a 980, so better than the RX480.

RIP AMD.

That price point and performance is going to really put the pressure on the 480.

The 480 is equal to or slightly better than the 1060 in DX12 in most benchmarks. And is still only $250. So I don't see a $300 card from Nvidia burying AMD any time soon.

It's a $50 price increase for marginal (if any) improvements, less VRAM, and the Gsync price premium.
 

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It's a $50 price increase for marginal (if any) improvements, less VRAM, and the Gsync price premium*.

*and better CPU performance and AA an AO options in legacy DX11, DX9 and OGL games. All the thousands of them.
The world of PC gaming is much more than the latest AAA AMD sponsored DX12 titles.
 

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The MSI 6G card looks amazing; quiet, low power, overclocks like a beast, hopefully I can find one of those for a decent price soon.
 

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So is there much chance I get this anytime soon without buying a founders edition or on a big markup elsewhere?
 

Outdoor Miner

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The 480 is equal to or slightly better than the 1060 in DX12 in most benchmarks. And is still only $250. So I don't see a $300 card from Nvidia burying AMD any time soon.

It's a $50 price increase for marginal (if any) improvements, less VRAM, and the Gsync price premium.

$50 more where? I'm seeing AIBs go between $250-280...
 

Otheradam

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$300 for this card is insane. Nvidia is getting greedy. If prices for cards are trending upward again, its going to turn people off to pc gaming again.
 

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I'm looking at the cards right now. I'm noticing that a lot of them have "6G" in the name, while one of the MSI cards (among the cheapest ones) has "6GT" in the name. Does anyone know what that means? I'm a bit of a graphics card newbie.
 

dr_rus

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$300 for this card is insane. Nvidia is getting greedy. If prices for cards are trending upward again, its going to turn people off to pc gaming again.

Why is it insane considering that for $300 you're looking at OC editions which are up there in 980Ti performance territory? Nobody force you to buy the FE card, there are options and there are cards at $250 MSRP already.
They are all sold out already as well though lol
 

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*and better CPU performance and AA an AO options in legacy DX11, DX9 and OGL games. All the thousands of them.
The world of PC gaming is much more than the latest AAA AMD sponsored DX12 titles.
Hear, hear. SGSSAA and driver level HBAO+ in older titles are big reasons for me to stay with Nvidia.

But prices on this card a ridiculous in Canada too. I'm better off ordering from the US and driving across the border to pick it up.
 

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I assume he means that in high-level APIs SLI could be implemented by the GPU vendor in the driver, while in low-level APIs it's entirely up to the developer.

What Durante said. Considering how multi GPU is treated today, I don't expect developers to bother more than they do now in DirectX 12 because it is more work for them, for a pretty niche crowd, I wish I'm wrong though.

the automation of job scheduling is an elemental feature of those new APIs. that will not only help to better utilize shader workload, but will also work wonders in multi GPU scenarios. that's also essential for one of multiGPU biggest problems: as with it comes the shift from an alternate frame rendering approach to a job based approach, which will toggle tasks accross GPUs and therby eliminate the main reason for mGPU frame pacing issues.

so no, i don't think it will get harder to implement mGPU in the future. quite the opposite. we will also probably see that nvidia and amd will change their efforts from driver engineering more to field engineering at game studios again.
 

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As I said, I'm not an expert on the matter, neither are you.

Go on Overclock.net, where the PCB was pictured (I linked to it), and the guys on there that know a lot more than either of us were slightly shocked by the engineering for something that costs $300. If you think sticking the power-pin on the cooler, 3-phase VRMs or leaving 2 empty slots for memory on the PCB is the usual seal of Nvidia quality, more fool you.

Hey look, looks like it was indeed a fairly good overclocker in spite of any concerns over "only" 3 VRMs.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/07/nvidia-gtx-1060-review/

And

The GPU’s three phases are completely sufficient, and their distribution makes more sense here than on AMD's Radeon RX 480.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-pascal,4679.html


So much for that ruckus.
 

sout

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PC gaming is still far too expensive for its own good.

Agreed. I initially thought I'd get a 1070 but it's still so far above MSRP (and let's be honest, even the MSRP, while a relatively good deal, is a fucking lot to spend on something that's basically a quarter of a computer, you can get consoles for that much)
plus the whole G-sync premium is ridiculous.

I get it, you pay the most if you want the best.
Now I have no idea what upgrade I should make, since a new monitor would lock me into one specific brand for the forseeable future, I'd love to go FreeSync but AMD isn't filling me with total confidence right now.
 

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PC gaming is still far too expensive for its own good.

You know, I totally agree with you. PC gaming is expensive compared to console gaming. Especially now that the psn and xbox do deep discounts on games. I know people on this forum say you can build a computer as powerful as a PS Neo for the same price (~$500 USD) but I always give a side eye to such talk. Realistically if you want to build a nice gaming PC you are going to drop ~$1000 USD. Right now I am looking at a modest upgrade for my 5 year old computer and it's clocking in around $350 for a 1060 GPU, upgraded CPU Cooler, and some more RAM.

But what it comes down to is that it's more than just playing games on PC. Obviously that's the core but honestly, PC gaming is more of an identity than anything. The knowledge that you gain from building your own PC is valuable; it's a skill that not many people have. The pride you feel when you overcome a technical challenge (hardware or software) is something that can't be matched with consoles, and I believe that's the source for a lot of the PC gamer zeal. It's something you don't get until you've done it for yourself.
 

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You know, I totally agree with you. PC gaming is expensive compared to console gaming. Especially now that the psn and xbox do deep discounts on games. I know people on this forum say you can build a computer as powerful as a PS Neo for the same price (~$500 USD) but I always give a side eye to such talk. Realistically if you want to build a nice gaming PC you are going to drop ~$1000 USD. Right now I am looking at a modest upgrade for my 5 year old computer and it's clocking in around $350 for a 1060 GPU, upgraded CPU Cooler, and some more RAM.

But what it comes down to is that it's more than just playing games on PC. Obviously that's the core but honestly, PC gaming is more of an identity than anything. The knowledge that you gain from building your own PC is valuable; it's a skill that not many people have. The pride you feel when you overcome a technical challenge (hardware or software) is something that can't be matched with consoles, and I believe that's the source for a lot of the PC gamer zeal. It's something you don't get until you've done it for yourself.

The problem is for some reason you are looking at PC's as being different from consoles if you just want a static box that works, can't be upgraded and is powerful as a Neo etc. You actually can get that for $500-600 we can't have double standards of were comparing it like this.

You can build a 8 core AMD, 480 rig for $500-600.

A 5 year old console is going to sell dirt cheap realistically too. So you're looking at selling your PS4/Xbone for instance and buying some $500-600 NEO/Scorpio down the line you're getting like $100-150 back for your console alone and then having to pay $350-500 too. If you're upgrading semi frequently your PC parts keep their value decent enough as well so the upgrades don't cost as much. I personally sell off parts every two years or so depending on what I need, recoup a lot of my costs and upgrade. Keeps a really great performance gradient. But yea it's a bit more work.
 

QuantumSquid

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So is there much chance I get this anytime soon without buying a founders edition or on a big markup elsewhere?

There are some non-Founder's Edition models in stock right now.

http://www.nowinstock.net/computers/videocards/nvidia/gtx1060/

Personally I'd go for the EVGA model number 06G-P4-6161-KR that's currently listed as "Pre-order" on Newegg. It says Preorder but they're already out, it just means you will have to wait a couple extra days before it ships.
 

Manoko

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You know, I totally agree with you. PC gaming is expensive compared to console gaming. Especially now that the psn and xbox do deep discounts on games. I know people on this forum say you can build a computer as powerful as a PS Neo for the same price (~$500 USD) but I always give a side eye to such talk. Realistically if you want to build a nice gaming PC you are going to drop ~$1000 USD. Right now I am looking at a modest upgrade for my 5 year old computer and it's clocking in around $350 for a 1060 GPU, upgraded CPU Cooler, and some more RAM.

But what it comes down to is that it's more than just playing games on PC. Obviously that's the core but honestly, PC gaming is more of an identity than anything. The knowledge that you gain from building your own PC is valuable; it's a skill that not many people have. The pride you feel when you overcome a technical challenge (hardware or software) is something that can't be matched with consoles, and I believe that's the source for a lot of the PC gamer zeal. It's something you don't get until you've done it for yourself.

I agree, I love PC gaming for all of those reasons.
It's my favorite platform and by a large margin.

I just wish it was more affordable.
 

dr_rus

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Aztechnology

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I agree, I love PC gaming for all of those reasons.
It's my favorite platform and by a large margin.

I just wish it was more affordable.

The Zotac super compact was actually available for the 1060 this morning and my build overall became a $600 build which seems to be the sweetspot for budget PC's.

I did up the Power Supply from 500 to 550 since the one you linked jumped in price. The 550 was still modular, corsair and exactly the same as the original price you gave me.

So the build ended up like this



Rosewill Dual Fan Micro ATX Mini Tower - $27.99
i3-6100 - $118
Gigabyte LGA1151 - $50
Corsair 550W - $60
Hyper X Fury 8GB DDR4 - $40
PNY 240GB SSD CS1311 - $64
Zotac GTX 1060 Super Compact $250

$610 before taxes

about $650 due to tax and shipping

It WOULD have been under $600 if it wasn't for AMD not knowing how to stock their fucking cards and all AIBs earlier. They fucked up, their miss

overall very happy

You're right totally not affordable or comparable to console gaming /s. Btw they could have easily gone with an 8 core AMD processor (not as good as the I3) but with Zen coming soon that could change.
 

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The dual fan is cheaper an comes earlier?

Also, I seriously need some noise ratings on all those AIB models, like MSI alone has 3 dual fan coolers on offer. I mean, the DualFrozr is amazing, but how much worse are the others?