-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
George Kamitani responds to Kotaku
- Thread starter LiK
- Start date
As much as jschreier has made strides by engaging NeoGAF and commenting on journalism issues, this whole thing left a real bad taste in my mouth. One step forward, two steps back.
They aren't ignoring Elf, right? ;_;
Omegasquash
Member
It's magic.
Also, really...this whole thing is ridiculous. I'm a dude so I can't speak with authority (and someone else here that can do so, please go for it), but I feel like yes, she's sexualized, but there are so, so many more examples of women that aren't even playable that you could speak volumes about.
Pyramid head
Banned
From the Kotaku article:
I'm sorry but, what story?
'Oversensitive blogger gets upset by some cartoon boobs'? That story? It's ridiculous that Jason Schreier thinks that his voicing his dislike of said cartoon boobs is enough to constitute a 'story'.
Kamitani needn't have felt the pressured to defend his art.
I'm sorry but, what story?
'Oversensitive blogger gets upset by some cartoon boobs'? That story? It's ridiculous that Jason Schreier thinks that his voicing his dislike of said cartoon boobs is enough to constitute a 'story'.
Kamitani needn't have felt the pressured to defend his art.
Funnily enough while Jason Schierer continues his campaign against sexism by picking the easiest target possible, Brian Ashcroft is running the Korean beauty pageant thing about Miss Daegu. Starting to see why feminism is white cultural imperialism appeared in the femen protest thread.
D
Deleted member 47027
Unconfirmed Member
You can love em but still want them to "grow up" so to speak. I think that goes for all forms of media. The issue is when that comes to cross purposes with a stylistic choice like this.
SolsticeZero
Banned
This x 100,000
Pyrrhus
Member
Absolutely. Schreier came off like a tool.
Moral Panic
Member
Success.
Acknowledgement of the problem, and an understanding that criticism isn't an attempt to censure him.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
Nice, level-headed response, and basically confirms what many of us considered the intent of his designs.
Honestly, I understand people feel he shouldn't have to apologize, but the dwarf response on facebook was most assuredly misconstrued as saying something he apparently didn't intend, and apologies don't cost anyone anything and can only convey respect. It was the right thing to do.
Honestly, I understand people feel he shouldn't have to apologize, but the dwarf response on facebook was most assuredly misconstrued as saying something he apparently didn't intend, and apologies don't cost anyone anything and can only convey respect. It was the right thing to do.
SolidSnakex
Member
I'll just say that it's interesting that Kotaku still doesn't have a story up about the Elf gameplay video. There's a female character in the game that isn't sexualized at all, but they don't seem to care about it. And that goes for some other sites that were quick to jump all over the Sorceress design but still don't have a story up about the Elf.
Pyrrhus
Member
Nope. This is a Japanese person writing. He's basically very politely saying he ain't changin' shit, son.
spandexmonkey
Banned
Now Schreier should apologize so we can wrap this up and move on.
Takamura-San
Member
I still can't comprehend how people are defending the dwarf art response.
The same way that the news don't report on sunny days without murders. You report on the things that out of the extraordinary, not on what is supposed to be normal.
The same way that the news don't report on sunny days without murders. You report on the things that out of the extraordinary, not on what is supposed to be normal.
A perfect example of why gaming journalism is NOT JOURNALISM. You always get all sides of the story wherever possible, and they seemed more than happy to speak up.
Ban Puncher
Member
Kamitani keeping it classy.
Kotaku writers would step over their own mothers for a click.
Kotaku writers would step over their own mothers for a click.
DecoyOctopus
Member
Moral Panic
Member
He's Japanese so he can hide behind the "translation error" defense.
We don't put up posts for every single trailer from every single game. We do try to give voices to as many people as possible, including the developers that we criticize. As I explained in the article, it took a few days to get this letter up, thanks to timezones and the language barrier. But I'm glad we were able to get Mr. Kamitani's perspective on our website.
Jason Schreier describing huge boobs as lolicon which has one of the definitions (on Wikipedia) as the sexual attraction to prepubescent girls is so dumb.
If I didn't see the post on GAF myself, I would have thought it's someone trying to make up "Shit That Kotaku says."
If I didn't see the post on GAF myself, I would have thought it's someone trying to make up "Shit That Kotaku says."
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
I really don't think Kamitani should be the one doing this when Schreier insulted him and his work multiple times, but it's classy for Kamitani to be the better man and try to take things on peacefully.
sakipon
Member
He doesn't speak English. I think mostly the comment was a problem since it didn't explain why he posted the dwarf image. It was a misunderstanding and Kotaku should've waited for his translated explanation before posting assumptions.
Neither can I. Schierer's bullshit didn't deserve a response.
Mr_Antimatter
Member
The character is question does have a ridiculous design, but then again, so is every one else in the game.
Giant boobs and butt isn't really any different from giant treetrunk legs or car sides upper bodies. It's just another exaggerated body style.
Giant boobs and butt isn't really any different from giant treetrunk legs or car sides upper bodies. It's just another exaggerated body style.
Agreed 100%
I haven't really been following this, so I apologize if it has been covered, but the dwarf response--wasn't it essentially, "Okay, you don't like big boobs on women; how about big manly men, do you like them?"
I'm assuming that was the reasoning, though his explanation in the letter isn't exactly that.
I'm assuming that was the reasoning, though his explanation in the letter isn't exactly that.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
Wow what the hell this actually pisses me off. What is this guy doing apologizing. If he got in trouble for this, and I'm never one to jump on this wagon, but fuck kotaku.
SolidSnakex
Member
Here's your sites story for the Fighter
http://kotaku.com/http-www-youtube-com-watch-v-iys4exz6f1q-look-at-this-470821192
And Dwarf
http://kotaku.com/http-www-youtube-com-watch-v-eeuwwak3ifi-the-newest-t-476411741
Obviously there's one for the Sorceress as well. So where's the Elf?
I'm sure you are!
Unfortunately Kotaku, Gamasutra, and Penny Arcade Report and who knows how many other outlets have already dragged this poor guy through the mud with their sensationalist bullshit. Nice work, guys. Way to get eachother's backs while you shit all over the artists who provide you with content.
Takamura-San
Member
Assumptions were reached on this forum way before kotaku put up a response.
Broder Salsa
Banned
The more I look at that gif the angrier I get. So angry right now.
radios shipping overview
Member
Well, that's that. Kamitani shows that he's a classy guy who isn't going to compromise himself for a blogger kerfluffle. It's a shame that every misunderstanding in this matter was amplified in the worst way by the gaming press. Talk about bad faith.
Can we talk about the game now? I think I'll be playing the elf, actually.
Can we talk about the game now? I think I'll be playing the elf, actually.
Domstercool
Member
I never understood people having a problem with the Dwarf picture. It seems people were looking for some sort of evil intent which was never there. It's a depressing world we live in when everyone just looks for bad or negative things in everything. Really, what the hell happened to people?
When you're out on a witch hunt, you're not going to be very receptive to humor.
You are 100 percent correct. The Kotaku article was insanely unprofessional. By the tone it was written in, Kotaku isn't "journalism", Its a blog about games.
BREAKING: Jason Schreier is hired by Atlus.
Delusibeta
Banned
Gotta get dem clicks, and outrage is great for making clicks fast, so let's manufacture some outrage.
Takamura-San
Member
People were not looking, the evil intent was clearly shown from the picture and the text on the facebook post at face value. The fact that he had to clarify it shows that a good amount of people found an issue with the response.
CambriaRising
Member
I am glad he cleared this up. I always thought his original intent was not to attack Jason.
Domstercool
Member
In the words of EA though, that would be "the vocal minority" lol
Sorry, couldn't resist that dig at EA's thoughts.
I don't really see how to not take it as negative intent. There isn't a way to interpret it that isn't "Don't like these character designs? You must want these muscly dudes."
The problem is, he thinks what he did was right. Shock me Schreier, and bury the hatchet