zerokoolpsx
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Loved Vanillaware's art since GrimGrimoire and Odin Sphere. He didn't need to apologize to Kotaku.
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George Kamitani responds to Kotaku
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Fine Ham Abounds
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There's nothing wrong with the picture. It was the context given by his autotranslated comment. He says he was misconstrued, that's fine and I can give him the benefit of the doubt. There's no mystery why it was misconstrued.
I think that was his intent, and it was a pretty funny jab.
Schreier is a well known baka gaijin.
Huevos de Oro
Member
Pretty much.
And this response from Kamitani supports the perception of several people in those other threads about the context in which the design of the Sorceress character was created.
yeah, you see what you did was misquote even what he said. You're putting words into the guy's mouth. might as well paraphrase it as "Don't like tits, you're a FAG." You'd make a great game's journo, have you thought about it?
OverBlood 3
Banned
What a considered, erudite and informative response. Over to you Kotaku.
Moral Panic
Member
Witch hunt? Kamitani's response is what caused this to blow up. Kotaku made a crappy small blog post style article, which could easily have been ignored. Kamitani made a facebook post which could easily have been interpreted as an attack on Schreiers heterosexuality. It's only then when Schreier saw it on GAF that he wrote a full article in response. Kamitani gave a short apology which was later added to the article, and now a full response. So which part of this was Kotaku on a witch hunt?
He's a grower, not a shower.
Because context is very important when discussing the merits of a ZZZ bust.
This is more of a creepy support group than a discussion.
michaelius
Banned
It's a pity he had to surrender and apologize thanks to that shithole of gaming "journalism" rediculus article.
Karsticles
Member
This line has motivated me to send Kamitani an e-mail encouraging to keep doing what he does. The western obsession with controlling depictions of women is getting out of hand, and he needs to understand that this is specifically a western problem with a small group of vocal people trying to trample over others.
Indeed.
Domstercool
Member
The designs are over the top, so if he didn't want over the top women, maybe he wanted over the top men? There was no gay, homosexual, homophobic or whatever implied with the picture, only people looking for it. Just like with a lot of stuff nowadays, like it's a sport or challenge to find something bad or hidden in a message.
Just my view on it.
This whole thing turned into one big mess and didn't even deserve all the attention it got.
Even after reading the Gamasutra article, I still don't understand why he got all the backlash.
It was an easy joke to make: "You don't like women with big breasts? How about big muscle men?", but people should stop being offended that quickly.
Kamitani never should have apologised.
Even after reading the Gamasutra article, I still don't understand why he got all the backlash.
It was an easy joke to make: "You don't like women with big breasts? How about big muscle men?", but people should stop being offended that quickly.
Kamitani never should have apologised.
Moral Panic said:
That part. I could not possibly disagree more with your assertion.
radios shipping overview
Member
Yeah, you're right, he probably shouldn't have dignified Schreier's original flippant, inflammatory post with a response.
spandexmonkey
Banned
I worry that farces like this will later be used to demonize actual feminism.
Eh, I respect him more for what he's said. He's an artist taking responsibility for his art, clearly explaining his intentions, and noting that others out there might not percieve everything as he himself intends.
His look at critique is much more in line with the way I've learned to look at it through art classes, rather than the "OMG, ARTIST CAN DRAW WHAT THEY WANT SCREW THE HATERS!" kinda stuff the internet believes. Every critique is a chance to grow. The best artist take the opinions of all, and figure out how to say what they want, in the clearest way possible, and avoid saying anything that'll ultimately cheapen their message, and toss them in to the wrong crowd.
It's nice to see a Japanese designer not just falling on the "We make things for the JP market, that's just how it is, sorry!" excuse, and to admit, even if it's just politness, that the whole world takes note of games now, and that good designs do lead to personal responses to them.
I don't think this'll change him into something he's not, but I do think he's a solid enough artist, where it'll lead to an even broader range of designs from him. He'll grow from this drama, and DC will be known to a wider range of people, because of it. And his next game, will be looked upon by even more eyes, interested in seeing what crazy things he'll come up with next, and he'll probably gain even more fans, ultimately.
Respect, Kamitani. Accused of being a child, but respond back like the most mature of men.
Gaming Journalism. What a bunch of fucking bullshit and douchebags. An artist shouldn't have to self-censor himself for whatever crusade you're fighting for. It's utterly shameful that Kamitani has to explain himself in public because you don't like his way of doing things.
Assholes.
Assholes.
Takamura-San
Member
Really, he shouldn't be apologizing. It should be Kotaku seeing how they're the one's insulting peoples work (when they should be last people insulting ANYONE's work when they post garbage they call "news" 24/7 on their site). I've said it before and I'll say it again, Jason Schreier is probably one of the worst writers on Kotaku. Kamitani was pretty stand up about it though, good on him for it.
But really, this whole thing has gotten out of hand.
But really, this whole thing has gotten out of hand.
Pretty much this.
Omegasquash
Member
Yes, but games journalism != to opinions. Opinions are best kept to blogs. A block post style article is still an article and it will be viewed by the masses. It shouldn't have been ignored, and I don't believe that it was intended to be ignored.
That said, I think his response could have been better tailored by PR. He's a big dude (no pun intended) to make a statement about it, apologize and move on. The bigger dude, IMO.
Moral Panic
Member
Exactly. Or if he responded he could have responded properly.
The part that they couldnt wait for his response?
The part that they framed him a potential opposing party in the issue of sexism?
The part that they implied that he made a gay joke?
The part that other writers jumped on the bandwagon calling him homophobic, stupid and ridiculous? Article that was praised by Schreier on twitter implying that he agreed with such assement?
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
Context is the only way to defend or detract from any piece of art beyond critiquing its technical execution and style. I don't get your point.
Yeah, I took it this way as well. I'm not reading it as a throwaway dismissal at all.
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Deleted member 47027
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Do muscles = homoerotic to you? Because they're not DOING anything homoerotic, I have to wonder if it's because they are all strong men and that might be what you equate with homoeroticism.
radios shipping overview
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What is the proper response to being called a 14-year-old? Tea and cookies?
Omegasquash
Member
No, there isn't.
Nothing homoerotic on this pic. right....
The first thing I thought of were brothers clowning around, so nope?
Red Liquorice
Member
Must. resist. avatar. quote.
spandexmonkey
Banned
Nothing homoerotic on this pic. right....
Three men in close proximity automatically makes something homoerotic? I don't see the dwarfs flirting or anything?
Are these women acting homoerotic?
this picture is not more or less homoerotic than your avatar. Maybe it just makes you uncomfortable and you're projecting.
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Deleted member 47027
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Exactly. Is my avatar homoerotic too?
If they were all almost naked, like the dwarves are, then yeah, a bit.
CambriaRising
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Domstercool
Member
Nothing homoerotic on this pic. right....
Nope.
They have their shirts off, how does that make it homoerotic?
Does that mean wrestling is homoerotic? Call me blind, stupid, whatever, sorry, I'm just not seeing it.
IdreamofHIME
Member
Am I morally allowed to fap to these dwarves or what?
Can I get a straight answer please?!
Can I get a straight answer please?!
Not that I'm going to defend Kamitani's dwarf pic, it must be pointed out the whole article omitted the first slingshot from Jason on Kamitani's art by calling him a 14 year old. This is a selective reporting for the writer agenda.
Gee, I like how Jason doesn't even try to apologize back on the latest article. -.-
The Gameloft party article was full of bullshit/inacurracies too. Nice "journalism".
It's a shame because I agree with Jason on a lot of other subjects, and I think he does a great job at defending JRPGs and asking for their localization.
The Gameloft party article was full of bullshit/inacurracies too. Nice "journalism".
It's a shame because I agree with Jason on a lot of other subjects, and I think he does a great job at defending JRPGs and asking for their localization.
I think people who haven't seen a lot of gay art aren't going to think so.
Nothing homoerotic on this pic. right....
Domstercool
Member
It actually reminds me of the current advertisement banning in the UK for this.
You're the one who keeps implying that 'homoerotic' is a perjorative term. You're the one who sees a piece of art that's whimsical as shit and insists that it's brimming with 'evil intent'. Stop trying so hard to be a victim.
Messofanego
Banned
I hope this honestly does not effect the direction of his future work.
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I'm pretty fed up with this fad. Journos making accusatory remarks directly at a dev to provoke a reaction. Get their click-bait and get their hits.
It's hard for me to actually ascertain or accept any argument coming from certain media with an agenda when their motive is at question for me.
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I'm pretty fed up with this fad. Journos making accusatory remarks directly at a dev to provoke a reaction. Get their click-bait and get their hits.
It's hard for me to actually ascertain or accept any argument coming from certain media with an agenda when their motive is at question for me.
Moral Panic
Member
Is it that people don't know what homoeroticism is or are they just pretending they don't see it?
This:
is considered homoerotic art.
This:
is considered homoerotic art.
Let me clarify something. I don't think Kamitani needed to apologize for anything - especially not his art - but I am glad he apologized for what many, me included, considered to be a homophobic joke.
On Tuesday, I apologized for calling him a 14-year-old, which was inappropriate on my part. I still believe that the sorceress is a juvenile, harmful piece of art. You're entitled to disagree. I find it hard to believe that anyone can see that GIF and not see why people think it's an example of sexual objectification, but there's no point in trying to drag on the same arguments over and over again.
I'm glad this discussion reached him. I'm disappointed by how toxic the discussion has been on NeoGAF and other message boards, where hordes of people have taken offense at the idea that someone might not be happy with a female character that's presented as a jiggling sexual object. But there's nothing I can do about that.
On Tuesday, I apologized for calling him a 14-year-old, which was inappropriate on my part. I still believe that the sorceress is a juvenile, harmful piece of art. You're entitled to disagree. I find it hard to believe that anyone can see that GIF and not see why people think it's an example of sexual objectification, but there's no point in trying to drag on the same arguments over and over again.
I'm glad this discussion reached him. I'm disappointed by how toxic the discussion has been on NeoGAF and other message boards, where hordes of people have taken offense at the idea that someone might not be happy with a female character that's presented as a jiggling sexual object. But there's nothing I can do about that.
I rarely comment on this kind of things. But don't it disgust you when someone (for ex: Game Journalist) speak from high horse and demanding for apology?
that's the way I read this whole things. Of course he didn't specifically ask for it but that's the way I read it. He must be feeling in cloud nine and feels really RIGHT because the other party apologise for it.
all of his design have been exaggerated. They already showed the trailer long ago - no complaint. IT shouldn't be a problem in the first place.
that's the way I read this whole things. Of course he didn't specifically ask for it but that's the way I read it. He must be feeling in cloud nine and feels really RIGHT because the other party apologise for it.
all of his design have been exaggerated. They already showed the trailer long ago - no complaint. IT shouldn't be a problem in the first place.