Byakuya769
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Because it is always completely clear who started it.
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George Zimmerman (killer of unarmed Florida teen Trayvon Martin) found not guilty
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Haven't you seen the definitive animation.
TM definitely hit him with the sucker punch okie doke .
Don West and some sketchy animator wouldn't lie to me.
And teleported his body 40 feet using the magical Black Magic power of the White Arrow.
Mackenzie 92
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Killing_Joke
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They must have dropped the question or something. Doubt it would take 2 hours to write the question.
Must have.
Did you read the post i responded to? because the terms presented in Faze's hyperbole were quite clear on which side started it.
crisdecuba
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Definitely not taking sides here (don't know enough to), but I just jumped in and saw this exchange. But you didn't answer his question directly with a yes or no: "You believe the state has PROVEN without a doubt that this was NOT self defense?"
Killing_Joke
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I'll be scared to get a verdict without hearing the follow up with that question. Don't want them to vote if they're not 100% about something.
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It's beyond a reasonable doubt, not without a doubt.
I believe the State has proven without a reasonable doubt that this is manslaughter or murder because the actions weren't warranted or necessary. Was he losing the fight at some point? Sure. Does Trayvon have an obligation to throw the fight or get shot through the heart? no. That's an issue Zimmerman supporters don't seem to want to address.
Minor injuries, altercation Zimmerman pursued and started after profiling innocent individual, unarmed opponent, zero attempt at self defense otherwise, they've proven their case that this man shouldn't be let free.
If this was a who done it, I might say, he should walk. But it's not, no fear of possibly convicting the wrong man while the real killer got away. Give him 10-20 years.
chinaismine
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Do we know if the jury is still deliberating tonight?
Based on the evidence I dont think a reasonable man can claim self defense in this situation.
Whether or not the state has proven it, yeah thats another question
The 911 call isn't clear enough to really apply as evidence, and is too open to interpretation. I just have one point to raise.
If someone is in fact yelling "go away", is there much chance that it would be Zimmerman? He made it quite clear that he wanted Martin to be apprehended, and everything he did that night was in effort to prevent him from getting away. Would it make any sense for him to start yelling him to do exactly the opposite? He would want to maintain a safe distance, at least enough to aim his gun without risk of being attacked, but why would he want Martin to run off after that?
That might not have been what was said, nor is it the most reliable evidence, but I think that's more applicable to the discussion than distinguishing barely-audible voices of people yelling under stress
If someone is in fact yelling "go away", is there much chance that it would be Zimmerman? He made it quite clear that he wanted Martin to be apprehended, and everything he did that night was in effort to prevent him from getting away. Would it make any sense for him to start yelling him to do exactly the opposite? He would want to maintain a safe distance, at least enough to aim his gun without risk of being attacked, but why would he want Martin to run off after that?
That might not have been what was said, nor is it the most reliable evidence, but I think that's more applicable to the discussion than distinguishing barely-audible voices of people yelling under stress
LyleLanley
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CNN "Breaking News: Zimmerman Trial Riveting for America"
As of now they are. Who knows how late they'll go.
Mackenzie 92
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I don't even think Trayvon punched him. In addition to not having a single mark on his right hand, or under his nails there was no Zim dna on his sleeves or cuffs, but it was on his hoodie and undershirt which indicates to me Zimmerman had his arms around him.
Maybe Zim grabbed him and they fell backwards during the struggle and that's when he scratched his head and took a elbow or backwards headbutt to the face, and Martin was able to position himself on top at that point, slightly scraping his pinkie and ring finger on his left hand in the process. They struggled some more he was probably trying to get away and run at that point, hence the screaming, but Zimmerman held on and fired.
Maybe Zim grabbed him and they fell backwards during the struggle and that's when he scratched his head and took a elbow or backwards headbutt to the face, and Martin was able to position himself on top at that point, slightly scraping his pinkie and ring finger on his left hand in the process. They struggled some more he was probably trying to get away and run at that point, hence the screaming, but Zimmerman held on and fired.
If the 40 some seconds of screaming bloody murder was Zimmerman,I would call it reasonable.I think he should still do some time,but not over 10 years because the injuries were not life threatening.
crisdecuba
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vas_a_morir
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these demonstrators outside on cnn... every one of them is an obese woman it seems.
Deified Data
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So is there any chance we'll find out the verdict before tomorrow morning? I'm staying with some relatives who really want Zimmerman to be found innocent and I want to know what to expect.
Future PhaZe
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But how far does that go? Because his injuries weren't consistent with "serious harm".
The question of, "What about the next one though?" That O'Mara asserted is all well and good, but we need context to the situation in case, and the context for this situation is a man irresponsibly following a kid with a loaded gun.
Mackenzie 92
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I'm thinking if they don't call it quits at 10, which is 15 minutes away, that we will get a verdict tonight.
reasonable doubt is what is in the law. Not sure what your intent of this snarky post is.Cool. Answered the question.
vas_a_morir
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I'm starting to wonder if my prediction was correct or not. I called second-degree murder conviction. now I'm starting to think he might get acquitted as this continues to go on. not submitting the question again seems rather odd to me. when they first submitted it, I was sure that they were going to go with manslaughter.
either way, it's looking like my first prediction is probably gone now.
either way, it's looking like my first prediction is probably gone now.
Deified Data
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Could be a dramatic night, then.
As a layman and a casual observer I've been leaning towards acquittal, as well. Seems to me like it's nearly impossible to disprove rational self defense when one party's dead and there's no real witnesses. The legal precedent is disturbing.
strikeselect
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We have a verdict.
Hold on to your butts.
Hold on to your butts.
vas_a_morir
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verbatim my reaction.
User 100115
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That was quicker than I thought it would be. I don't know if that bodes well or not.
Mackenzie 92
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here we go
Killing_Joke
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Fuckkkk.
Calling it now. Guilty of Murder 2 and Manslaughter.
Calling it now. Guilty of Murder 2 and Manslaughter.
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