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[Gurgelhals]

This election kind of striking a blow to the “Germany strong and stable and resistant of the far right” takes we’ve been endlessly seeing since Brexit and trump.

To be frank, 13% is still a far cry from the 25-30% that these parties manage to get in other countries (the elections in Austria in three weeks are going to be fun in that regard :-/ ). It is "only" concerning for Germany where you had assumed that they had, you know, learnt their lesson about the consequences of voting for Nazis...

 

[Art Teitlebaum]

Non German here, what 13,5 can do in the German gov.?

Literally nothing. They are already in many state parliaments where they just fight against each other without doing any constructive work and spouting racist nonsense.
So just annoying, nothing dangerous (yet).

 

[Maedre]

The thing is, that if a person I know voted for them, this person is not a friend anymore. I can’t tolerate someone voting a racist party.

 

[-Plasma Reus-]

What the hell...

Not talking about Germany. Was talking about the wider European shift.

Germany is still no in a bad situation. 13% is not unexpected in the grand scheme.

 

[oti]

This election kind of striking a blow to the “Germany strong and stable and resistant of the far right” takes we’ve been endlessly seeing since Brexit and trump.

Come on.

The Brits voted for their own demise as a global player out of sheer stupidity.
The US-Americans voted a reality TV star into office because who knows.
The Germans voted some Nazis into the Bundestag.

 

[Ladekabel]

Wow, the AfD is eating the CSU's lunch there

The CSU isn't votable in Eastern Germany. Only in Bavaria.

 

[Diprosalic]

what are the chances of jamaica happening?

 

[dakun]

i'm actually not as worried as some here seem to be.. I'm kinda confident actually, that after all this refugee/terrorism/xenophobia talk this country went through for the last 3-4 years, if 13% is the best the AFD could do, that's really not that worrying.

No party will ever want to associate with them anyway, so politically they will not have any influence.
The people have spoken overwhelmingly against xenophobia/racism/etc. in a time where it was most likely to be an issue. We'll see what the next few years bring but my feeling is that the AFD will find their main platform crumbling under them.

 

[Deleted member 231381]

It technically is since it's much smaller than all other far-right movements in the world but it's still a big blow for country itself to have far-right have some sort of presence in bundestag since 1930s

Since 1960. Don't forget Deutsche Partei.

 

[Fantastapotamus]

To be frank, 13% is still a far cry from the 25-30% that these parties manage to get in other countries (the elections in Austria in three weeks are going to be fun in that regard :-/ )

Don't remind me..

 

[Xando]

Nice to see FDP outperformed both Linke and Greens.

 

[Ac30]

The CSU isn't votable in Eastern Germany. Only in Bavaria.

Got them confused lol, thanks

 

[Vuze]

Anyone know the name of the site where one can see results sorted by Landkreis / Bundesland? Probably not update yet but for future reference

Nice to see FDP outperformed both Linke and Greens.

Yup was pleasantly surprised too

 

[roytheone]

I meant to include French, Dutch and Austrian elections with that statement. We're far from that.

Hey, Wilders here actually underperformed compared to the polls! So there is.....that. I guess......

 

[El-Suave]

Non German here, what 13,5 can do in the German gov.?

Make noise and get fat pensions. Nothing more. With SPD in opposition at least they won't be the opposition leading party, that would have come with some perks and some prestige.

 

[Art Teitlebaum]

ARD: Kubicki on fire against that slimy Meuthen.

 

[sprinkles]

what are the chances of jamaica happening?

Bigger than another Grand Coalition after what that SPD guy on ZDF just said.

 

[Muffin1611]

It technically is since it's much smaller than all other far-right movements in the world but it's still a big blow for country itself to have far-right have some sort of presence in bundestag since 1930s

Not entirely true. The first Bundestag without any former NSDAP member formed was late 80s/early 90s.

Hey, Wilders here actually underperformed compared to the polls! So there is.....that. I guess......

I double checked and edited already, sorry roy

 

[Fliesen]

The FDP guy during the ARD coverage would've loved to do a mic-drop just now.

edit:

ARD: Kubicki on fire against that slimy Meuthen.

yeah, that guy

 

[CheDominik]

what are the chances of jamaica happening?

I think they will get it done.

I mean the FDP/Greens voterbase is basically identical demographically speaking.

 

[paperboywriter]

Bigger than another Grand Coalition after what that SPD guy on ZDF just said.

what he say?

 

[Siegcram]

CSU sub 40 percent in Bavaria ... these truly are the end times.

 

[Kenzodielocke]

 

[Kinyou]

At least a pretty strong left there as well.

 

[PdotMichael]

CSU sub 40 percent in Bavaria ... these truly are the end times.

More anti-Merkel rhetoric will help

 

[CheDominik]

At least a pretty strong left there as well.

Yeah...no. 38% voted for populist shitstans in the former GDR. That is shocking.

 

[dakun]

for our non-German members. This shows what party was voted (on the left) out of conviction/enthusiasm or (on the right) out of disappointment

 

[Gurgelhals]

what are the chances of jamaica happening?

They'll probably do it simply to prevent another election that would probably not change much except for the AfD doing even better than this round. That or the SPD ultimately relents out of a kind of civic duty. I can't imagine any party except the AfD wanting another election.

 

[roytheone]

Not entirely true. The first Bundestag without any former NSDAP member formed was late 80s/early 90s.



I double checked and edited already, sorry roy

I mean, he is still the second biggest party in our country which sucks a lot. But the election here had a lot of parties very close for second place so the third and forth parties of our country are pretty much the same size as wilders.

 

[Xando]

CSU sub 40 percent in Bavaria ... these truly are the end times.

Seehofer about to go full nazi

 

[Siegcram]

That seems fairly obvious.

 

[ElTorro]

At least a pretty strong left there as well.

I can't see anything good in that fact that almost 38% there voted for Trump-level populist bullshiters.

 

[paperboywriter]

those are the same people that brought down the berlin wall. what an embarrassment

 

[Diprosalic]

They'll probably do it simply to prevent another election that would probably not change much except for the AfD doing even better than this round. That or the SPD ultimately relents out of a kind of civic duty. I can't imagine any party except the AfD wanting another election.

thanks.

is jamaica with SPD as the biggest opposition party instead of AfD preferable to another big coalition?

 

[SporeCrawler]

CSU sub 40 percent in Bavaria ... these truly are the end times.

thats a positive. they have helped the afd so much

 

[SilentRob]

CSU sub 40 percent in Bavaria ... these truly are the end times.

Link?

 

[Oriel]

I'm okay with Jamaika. AFD will get nothing done anyway, just as in most state parliaments and they will get the full oppposition of all other parties. When people see they won't get through with their program they will crash hard in 1-2 years.

Nobody was expecting AFD to take power at this election. Their aim was to make an electoral breakthrough and become a mainstream political force in the legislature as a way of showing the voters that their is an alternative to the traditional parties. It's in their name after all. Now that the AFD have a voice in the Bundestag they can far more effectively communicate their platform at a national level.

It's wishful thinking to expect AFD to simply melt away. They, and their toxic politics, are here to stay.

 

[nampad]

East Germany shows again they deserve to be made fun of.

 

[Zhao_Yun]

What a disappointing result. At least my worst fears of >15% for the AfD didn't become true but 13% are still 13% too much.

 

[Mailenstein]

Der Osten war ein Fehler. 😩

 

[stoff]

I consider 13% to be a success. It could have been much more, much worse. Unless a new major crisis emerges, I expect the refugee polemic to vanish in 4 years and AfD will not have any topic left. Their stint will be a one-off at most. They'll probably destroy themselves before that.

But maybe I'm just a blind optimist.

Good on SPD to be set on joining the opposition. We'll need the two big parties to be distinct again.

 

[Siegcram]

Link?

Sorry, went off a notification of the SZ app.

Here you go:http://sz.de/1.3681358

 

[Kill Your Masters]

It sucks definitely but I believe (hope) the AfD has got to their ceiling. I can't see them getting more than 15% ever. The refugee crisis already peaked. And now they'll show their incompetency in full sight.

SPD needs to go into opposition just so the AfD isn't the strongest party in the opposition. It'll also help them to rethink things and rebuild.

Just wondering if other parties will shift more right now to appease to Afd voters in the future.

 

[Oriel]

Again: Calm down. This isn't comparable to Le pen, farage, Putin, Trump because it's 13%, not 50 or more.

It's quite comparable to Le Pen and Farage actually. Both failed to take power but their influence on national politics has been far stronger than their meagre numbers would suggest.

 

[afroguy10]

for our non-German members. This shows what party was voted (on the left) out of conviction/enthusiasm or (on the right) out of disappointment

So it suggests the votes for AfD are out of frustration with the status quo or the establishment/hatred of left wing politics and political correctness, worry and racism over the refugee crisis etc. the usual shite that racists use to justify their votes similar to voters for UKIP/Brexit.

 

[hanspampel]

They'll probably do it simply to prevent another election that would probably not change much except for the AfD doing even better than this round. That or the SPD ultimately relents out of a kind of civic duty. I can't imagine any party except the AfD wanting another election.

CDU
they would have a change to gain some of the losses back, because people want at least a decent administration


i just don't see Schwarz/Grün/Gelb happen
to make that possible one ore more partys have to break their campaign promises

 

[Nokterian]

Literally nothing. They are already in many state parliaments where they just fight against each other without doing any constructive work and spouting racist nonsense.
So just annoying, nothing dangerous (yet).

I'm still baffled that these nazi's got so much, did germany not learned from 70 years ago?

 

[Crashdown]

Sorry to ask pedantic foreigner questions while the results come in, but how do people in Germany view Die Linke? Is it just a weird, vestigial leftover from East Germany, or does it stand for something that matters in a modern context? Are they far-left in the same way AfD is far-right?

And thank you very much to the Gaffers helping to translate some of these returns.

 

[Gin-Shiio]

I'm still baffled that these nazi's got so much, did germany not learned from 70 years ago?

The media is one hell of a drug.

 

[Gurgelhals]

thanks.

is jamaica with SPD as the big opposition party instead of AfD preferable to another big coalition?

Long term I'd say yes. It would mean that the AfD won't be main opposition party in the Bundestag and it would give the SPD the opportunity to reform in opposition. Another grand coalition would just mean another four years of strong and stable government with the CDU and the SPD doing even worse, because the AfD would have four years of comfortably railing against both major government parties.

The question is whether a Jamaica coalition would work in practice and survive an entire term. The differences between the FDP and the Greens are quite significant as far as I know.