ok, it's worth stressing then that homosexuality isn't a disorder (brain/scientific level). Officially it's not, medically it's not
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Guild Wars 2 writers fired following heated Twitter exchange with streamer
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Whitecrow
Banned
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I can accept this, and I preffer to end the discussion here = )
Thanks for the information.
I can accept this, and I preffer to end the discussion here = )
Thanks for the information.
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yes it is. I'll be honest, I wasn't sure which way you were arguing in your post
There are physiologists that argue it's an orientation, and there's no doubt it's a shit hand to be dealt, but given that there will always be a victim if it's acted upon I think it will always be seen as a disorder
DryvBy
Member
Pedophiles are freaks and giving them encouraging material doesn't help. If someone has a strong desire to murder people, should we give them alternative avenues such as BB guns and realistic looking figures to shoot at so they can stomp out their urges?
Open pedos are creeps. They shouldn't be shown any pity or felt sorry for imo. I'll openly mock them and encourage others to do so as well.
edit: I'm also done talking about this. You will not ever convince me otherwise and this is going completely OFF TOPIC at this point. ArenaNet firing had nothing to do with pedophilia and was only to do with Rapp.
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hollowcupra
Member
Yeap i agree on that. Discussing that matter is like walking on thin ice and something that should not be talked over a public forum. Also there are a lot of discussions on the other forum about this forum promoting p#$% so i suggest to drop the matter.
Hotel Security
Member
Whether you like to admit it or not, being a pedo is simply a sexual preference. Just like gay people can't explain why they like folks of the same sex or why one guy likes blonds more than brunettes, these guys don't know why they fawn after 10-year olds. They just do.
It just so happens that fawning after blonds is accepted in society while fawning after 10 year olds is not. It's that simple and that's the only difference. Don't go pretending they're this demonic race. It's a sexual preference just like any other. But, unlike people who take tons of hormones and underdo multiple surgeries to change their sex, being a pedo is a mental issue while that is not. No, there's no rhyme or reason behind it.
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Pot Meet Kettle
Member
Moderate what? err... that's not what I saw, nor was I invested enough in that drama to see anything to that effect.
The positions I saw her dunked on were that sexualization (not specifically that kind) in fiction wasn't harmful content that need to be cut, and that translations of existing content should not censor it to fit social positions. Specifically those.
I'm not familiar with her defending real life child porn or normalizing pedo tendancies, which if true isn't something i approve of or think fit with the rest of the underlying argument.
KevinKeene
Banned
He didn't equate the sexual acts of homosexuality and pedophilia. He equated the inherent sexual attraction of both sexualities.
Dunki is (mostly) right. That's as much as I'll say about that topic.
prag16
Banned
Agreed. Don't want to add further to this long running derail, but some here are kind of surprising me, with this kinda extreme language. Those attracted to kids aren't inherently some subhuman class of grotesque monsters (provided they've never acted on the urges or exploited anyone in any way). They're people with a problem who need help. I'm not so sure I'm on board with this "fiction entertainment" idea though, but I haven't really given it much thought. And yeah, Alison Rapp is definitely a more sympathetic figure than Jessica Price. At least Rapp (that I can recall at least) didn't come off like a blatant asshole on social media constantly.
The Mad Draklor
Member
Guess who's back from her vacation...
Not going to link her tweets because holy shit do they make me want to bleach my eyes out. However, I can tell you that she removed "Arena.net story developer" from her bio and replaced it with "Fired from ArenaNet & Paizo for refusal to act like I'm men's property". What a strong sense of self-responsibility /s
Not going to link her tweets because holy shit do they make me want to bleach my eyes out. However, I can tell you that she removed "Arena.net story developer" from her bio and replaced it with "Fired from ArenaNet & Paizo for refusal to act like I'm men's property". What a strong sense of self-responsibility /s
Dr. Claus
Vincit qui se vincit
I genuinely thought you were joking as I didn't think someone could be *that* daft. You were not joking and it is real. Already so many people in her mentions "defending" her for fighting back against the "sexists".
KevinKeene
Banned
Wtf ...
prag16
Banned
-_-
She is a piece of work.
Good luck ever getting work again, Jessica.
Well, check that, maybe Druckmann will hire her.
ickythingz
Banned
As someone who employs people, this woman is destroying herself like no one ever could. Never interrupt your enemy while they are making a mistake. While she is not my personal enemy, her type of personality personifies many aspects of our society that has gone down a dark, destructive path. I would wager a large sum of money that in 5 years this woman's life is not so great. Of course, should she repent, things may be different, but very few multi-million/billion dollar organizations will waste their time with her kind. If she had skill it may also be different, but she is legitimately bad at her job. There is no innate talent residing inside of her to warrant a risk. Outside of angling for certain PR directions, no company has any reason to risk her taking up space on their payroll.
The Mad Draklor
Member
Wait is he actually reaching out to her? She’s such an albatross PR-wise that any company who decides to hire her is insane at this point.
Cato
Banned
Amazing. Why try to let things slip and become a distant memory when you can double down and destroy your career even harder.
I said it before, this is the second time she has been fired for her behavior and it is the second time she goes out of her way to smear her previous employer.
Any company that hires her must know they juggling a loaded shotgun.
(Though I do hear that Marvel are looking for writers...)
prag16
Banned
Heh, nah, just a joke based on his recent history of comments and 'handpicking' contributors seemingly for social justice reasons.
The Mad Draklor
Member
Oh, it gets better. Check a load of this drivel:
When she says "changing how [she] [does] Twitter", I guess she means shitting on her employers and company.
And here's a bonus:
As if GW2 fans care more about what genitals she has than the quality of the content...
Whats really odd is that pedo behavior was actually the norm for most of human history. Only 140 years ago the age of consent in most states was 10-12 and in Delaware it was 7.
Scopa
The Tribe Has Spoken
I love how her “employer threw her to the sharks”. No acknowledgement that she created her own predicament. Exactly like a child.
We are witnessing a very public meltdown here.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
She's a textbook narcissist. It's absolutely embarassing how delusional this woman is, and it's scary that so many "journalists" tasked with providing an unbiased view on the games industry fed into her bullshit and tried to change history in her favor. How anyone could say they have any semblance of credibility after this is beyond me.
Extreme Metal Hero
Banned
In any other kind of company, publicly treating a customer like dirt will promptly get you sacked. No matter who you are... so pray tell, what makes her so special? I mean, why are gamers so riled up for no damn good reason? You'd think they'd have something better to do with their lives.
Schrödinger's cat
Banned
Sound-proofing the echo-chamber.JessicaPrice on Twitter said:
KevinKeene
Banned
Now I realized: she should marry Mesut özil.
Lady Bird
Matsuno's Goebbels
The GW2 community pretty much moved on after the firings. You only see this even being pushed further in some other places in the internet.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
And if you challenge their bold, flat out lies, it is "gamergate". They (the political hacktivists posing as game writers) are fucking cowardly frauds.
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SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
MayauMiao
Member
Sounds like she need a vacation from social media.
Petrae
Member
How long will it be until we see a tweet that says:
Why won’t anyone hire me? It’s because I’m a strong woman who doesn’t take shit from the patriarchy. #FML
This is teenage behavior from a supposed adult, and she continues to make social media decisions that HR personnel should probably screenshot and save to demonstrate to employees a classic “What NOT To Do On Social Media” scenario.
I sure hope her support system likes helping keep a roof over her head and her bills paid, because she’s gonna need that help for a good long time. I also hope any and every prospective employer does its due diligence and says no to this bitter individual for the foreseeable future— if not permanently— to avoid the exceptional emotional baggage and extreme risk that she carries with her. There’s absolutely ZERO benefit to hiring her that is worth such a risk.
JD_Shadow
Neo Member
Sounds like we should call her a misandrist at this point, though I don't know if she holds a complete contempt for all men yet. It seems like this is a rooted case, though. She just doesn't get it, and doesn't care to get it.
It's actually the only other way to put it if not her trying to use it as a defense for everything when everyone has been seeing past her facade by now. It's like the one who cried wolf, only she is crying it a tenth or 11th time because some still come to her aid...and INSIST that the wolf is indeed there and they have also seen it.
It's actually the only other way to put it if not her trying to use it as a defense for everything when everyone has been seeing past her facade by now. It's like the one who cried wolf, only she is crying it a tenth or 11th time because some still come to her aid...and INSIST that the wolf is indeed there and they have also seen it.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
Judging by her Twitter, she strikes me as a dev on the edge of burnout. Anyone who fights that hard on Twitter is going to be just as volatile and voluble in the workplace. No reflection on her talent, or the validity of her creative vision, but in game-dev its easy for your passion to become a rope around your neck. You get punchy - I know this from experience - from the endless battle to make (what you feel to be) the right choices. Friction is part and parcel of the dynamic, and it can wear on you and the people around you.
Objectively, you can't admit to this (burnout). It really is the kiss of death in the industry, which might explain her unapologetic stance in the face of clear evidence that she mishandled her interactions on Twitter.
I'm not saying she was/is right, just giving my 10c as somebody with a lot of experience in the field reading between the lines.
Objectively, you can't admit to this (burnout). It really is the kiss of death in the industry, which might explain her unapologetic stance in the face of clear evidence that she mishandled her interactions on Twitter.
I'm not saying she was/is right, just giving my 10c as somebody with a lot of experience in the field reading between the lines.
Scopa
The Tribe Has Spoken
I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Patreon. Idiots are very easily parted from their money.
Thiagosc777
Member
I think it is just immaturity. People are expected to grow out of it as they become adults. She never had to and acts like a spoiled child because of it. There's too much coddling in today's world, especially for women.
The solution for this problem is simple. Make their actions have consequences. Unfortunately what happened to her is the exception and not the rule. If more people lost their jobs for acting immature, people would quickly realize this type of behavior is not acceptable and adjust.
Adry9
Member
This. If she pushes this victim narrative a bit more she might gather enough people to make a living of minor work.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
I wasn't excusing her behaviour, and honestly I doubt she'll have much of a career past this point anyway (there are limited opportunities and competition is fierce), just pointing out that you will rarely if ever here of a developer "recovering" from public burnout.
This industry has no time for the emotionally fragile, its all about reliability and productivity. You simply won't get hired.
This industry has no time for the emotionally fragile, its all about reliability and productivity. You simply won't get hired.
I think that there should actually be a law that protects people from having action taken against them for engaging in legal activities outside of work. We already have religious and political protections. What about free speech protections? You can't make jokes or say shit without getting fired? Bullshit.
When you have something like a social media account where you literally state "these are my own views and not those of my employer," you shouldn't have to fear action being taken against you there. It has nothing to do with your job.
I don't want to live in a world where people have to censor themselves constantly and don't feel free to express themselves due to bullshit like this.
If this person was using a company Twitter account then sure, this is justified. If it was just a personal account, no, I don't think so. Although, given the game we're talking about, I don't see how any of the "writers" there are very good at their job or especially worth keeping around.
When you have something like a social media account where you literally state "these are my own views and not those of my employer," you shouldn't have to fear action being taken against you there. It has nothing to do with your job.
I don't want to live in a world where people have to censor themselves constantly and don't feel free to express themselves due to bullshit like this.
If this person was using a company Twitter account then sure, this is justified. If it was just a personal account, no, I don't think so. Although, given the game we're talking about, I don't see how any of the "writers" there are very good at their job or especially worth keeping around.
Disagree. There are a lot of emotionally fragile, unreliable, and unproductive people in every industry. She was made for management, baby!
ILLtown
Member
How would you feel if you owned a company and one of your employees was on Twitter acting like a prick towards your customers? Would you say "oh, it's their personal account so it's fine"? What if they had "Employee of Dirthead Inc." in their profile?
I don't think people should be fired for jokes or anything like that, but I don't think you can always completely disconnect a personal Twitter account from the company the person works for, particularly if it's well known that they work for a particular company or they say so in their profile.
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That's why you create a law that protects people. The whole problem is that "acting like a prick" is subjective. Then people can't take up pitchforks against companies because it's just the law.
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ILLtown
Member
But where do you draw the line when it comes to protecting people? That's the issue.
Skyfox
Member
I think public retractions should be recognized as a way to absolve people of social media mistakes. Maybe build it into twitter as a button.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
If you are a toxic employee, you get removed. It really is that simple.
Welcome to the real world of adulting kiddos.
Welcome to the real world of adulting kiddos.
Pumpkin Seeds
Member
I do find it humorous that she fashions herself a socialist of sorts and yet doesn't understand this sort of working class reality.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
#ForeverAVictim (to herself).
The Mad Draklor
Member
Companies tend to have social media clauses in employee contracts. If you sign the contract, then you must abide by the terms. If you don’t want to abide by the clause, then don’t sign. There doesn’t need to be a law that “protects” people. They need to read carefully and not be completely incompetent assholes.
Fuz
Banned
I don't agree with this. There should be laws that protects employees from vexatious clauses in their contracs.
I also think that companies shouldn't interfere with their employess *private* life and social interactions.
This as a general rule.
But of course, if - for example - your twitter account lists your employer, and you reveal yourself as their employee and talk about your work there... then you have a duty to protect their business and not to be an idiot. And they have all the reason to fire you if you're damaging them through your social interactions.
Schrödinger's cat
Banned
It's a contract. If you don't agree with it, don't sign and say that you do.
If you sign and say that you do, don't protest afterwards that you didn't really agree and expect to be regarded as credible.
Be accountable for your voluntary actions.
I don't get the impression companies do that as a whole.
In this case however, the interactions were public, not private.
This is what it means to be professional. And I'm sure most adults appreciate that too. There's crap that goes on in your professional life and you handle it with civility and decorum.
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