Come on man! when is that last time a major game series has killed off it's main protagonist? 343 Killing Cheif would be like Nintendo killing off Mario!
Well Mario doesn't really have lore and story (well, not to most people, anyway...).
Come on man! when is that last time a major game series has killed off it's main protagonist? 343 Killing Cheif would be like Nintendo killing off Mario!
Short version: the Forerunner grasp of genetics and probability is/was so great they could program personalities, ideas into species that would only bloom millennia later. The Chief is the result of one such "programming," known as a geas. The librarian basically planted the idea of Spartans and Mjolnir into the human genetic code, such that it would, eventually, become a reality. What she did to him was activate another part of that Geas, that somehow made him immune to being Composed. How, exactly, isn't totally clear, as far as I know. Probably something to do with the Composer only being intended to work on very specific types of life forms.
Eh, I would qualify that by saying that's what Halo 4 is all about. Those themes were not present in Halo 1-3 or ODST/ReachI dunno about the playable bits, but her evolution and transcendnce is at the very core of what Halo is all about... "What does it mean to be human?" This question is asked from two characters who both struggle with the answers or lack thereof, as they face the challenges laid out for them. Both the MC and Cortana ask these questions both externally and internally, and cuts to the very soul of what Halo is about.
Yep. Part of what made Human/Covenant struggle interesting for me was that humanity was such a huge underdog, but survived by tenacity and bravery. There's not much tenacity or bravery present when Infinity is literally ramming through covenant cruisers.Has the lore always been alluding to that from early on. I honestly can't stand what they came up with in Halo 4, it's just over cooked layered nonsense that makes any effort done by characters practically meaningless. I cannot suspend my disbelief to the point that an advanced race could plant seeds to lead to such coicidences that need to play out perfectly. It's almost insulting. Lets not forget team UNSC magically bringing a can of whoopass to the galaxy at the end of Halo 4.
Eh, I would qualify that by saying that's what Halo 4 is all about. Those themes were not present in Halo 1-3 or ODST/Reach
Yep. Part of what made Human/Covenant struggle interesting for me was that humanity was such a huge underdog, but survived by tenacity and bravery. There's not much tenacity or bravery present when Infinity is literally ramming through covenant cruisers.
Has the lore always been alluding to that from early on. I honestly can't stand what they came up with in Halo 4, it's just over cooked layered nonsense that makes any effort done by characters practically meaningless. I cannot suspend my disbelief to the point that an advanced race could plant seeds to lead to such coicidences that need to play out perfectly. It's almost insulting. Lets not forget team UNSC magically bringing a can of whoopass to the galaxy at the end of Halo 4.
Eh, I would qualify that by saying that's what Halo 4 is all about. Those themes were not present in Halo 1-3 or ODST/Reach
I agree. I don't see those themes present in Halo 1-3, ODST, or Reach either. I find the recent explanations really cheapen the Master Chief as a character as well. He was always defined not by his strength, speed, etc. But by his luck. What Halo 4+ does is change that idea to not be about improvisation and overcoming great odds, but instead Master Chief's birthright because he couldn't not be awesome.
I agree. I don't see those themes present in Halo 1-3, ODST, or Reach either. I find the recent explanations really cheapen the Master Chief as a character as well. He was always defined not by his strength, speed, etc. But by his luck. What Halo 4+ does is change that idea to not be about improvisation and overcoming great odds, but instead Master Chief's birthright because he couldn't not be awesome.
Coincidence? Eyebrowraise.gif
The thing is... it's still about all those things. The Chief was always born special, that's part of why he was selected for the Spartan program in the first place. But what he's done since is still his own effort.
Has the lore always been alluding to that from early on. I honestly can't stand what they came up with in Halo 4, it's just over cooked layered nonsense that makes any effort done by characters practically meaningless. I cannot suspend my disbelief to the point that an advanced race could plant seeds to lead to such coicidences that need to play out perfectly. It's almost insulting. Lets not forget team UNSC magically bringing a can of whoopass to the galaxy at the end of Halo 4.
I don't agree with that. Plenty of children chosen for the program died. Plenty were thought to be a good candidate and turned out not to be.
There's a big difference between someone being a good fit for a program (meaning they were just advanced for their age, and of which there were several who also were) and a "you're the intergalactic chosen one" type narrative.
You can't have this type of narrative not go back and influence and infect all previous decisions and events implying that his birthright gave him the edge. Why was he chosen? Birthright. Why didn't he die in augmentation? Birthright. Why didn't he die on Reach? Birthright. Why didn't he die on Halo? Birthright. Etc.
If you care to know the full story, you can watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YklFMcZ0c6s
I don't want HaloFollower to get my view but I guess I'll have to give it to him.
Yes, in the first Halo game, 343 GS refers to chief as if he is the iso Diadact in the Two Betrayals cutscene.
"but you already knew that?"
"I mean, how couldn't you?"
"We have followed outbreak containment procedure to the letter"
"You were with me each step of the way as we managed this crisis"
"Why would you hesitate to do what you have already done?"
"last time you asked me 'if it were my choice, would I do it?'"
"Having had considerable time to ponder you query, my answer is not changed"
Basically the idea is that the chief has been imprinted with the Iso Diadact's traits by the Librarian, and 343 GS knows this, but Master Cheif does not know this yet (it could be that that part of him is dormant, and needs to be activated).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE4H7relFX8
If you care to know the full story, you can watch this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YklFMcZ0c6s
Hmm. I see where you're coming from.
One simple fix would be to make all of the Spartan II candidates geas recipients, and have that be part of what made Halsey pick them; then, you could just point to the others that died and washed out, and Chief would be excelling on his own merits.
Pure fanwank, tho.
I find that it enriches his character, but YMMV.
Yeah, a lot of his stuff can be stupid, and have click bait titles, but his lore stuff is actually kinda good.
Hmm. I see where you're coming from.
One simple fix would be to make all of the Spartan II candidates geas recipients, and have that be part of what made Halsey pick them; then, you could just point to the others that died and washed out, and Chief would be excelling on his own merits.
Pure fanwank, tho.
343 painted themselves into a corner trying to be too expansive. The Librarian could have done her space magic to protect the Chief from the Composer and left it at that. You could still have the Forerunner story and what not but the genetic fate markers removed saving the story from being convoluted.
While I agree that in the light that Ominym puts it, it's bad, I don't think they've painted themselves into a corner, per se. The Genesong/geas stuff opens up some interesting stories within the themes they've set up (man vs. machine, most notably), and I think there's some interesting opportunities there.
While I agree that in the light that Ominym puts it, it's bad, I don't think they've painted themselves into a corner, per se. The Genesong/geas stuff opens up some interesting stories within the themes they've set up (man vs. machine, most notably), and I think there's some interesting opportunities there.
But the thing about this is, they can't even pursue the man vs. machine angle anymore without it looking like they don't know what to do. This whole idea of humanizing the Master Chief is fine, but you can't humanize a character whose essentially been elevated to a Christ-like status in the canon. The Master Chief is the product of eons of genetic planning in the making, he is the byproduct of a plan set forth not by himself but someone else to make him special and different.
By that measure? They can't make this a man vs. machine struggle, because he's not even a man. He's a special being, one that is empowered by and necessary to the universe cannon as a singular character. Which couldn't work harder to counteract any attempts to humanize the character.
But he's not singular; there are other humans carrying Forerunner genesongs, we already know that. He is, at most, special, not messianic.
Yeah I played the H5 beta, 343 has another dud on their hands. Maybe they'll get it right with 6.
To quote Animal Farm, "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."
The Master Chief is the specialist of the specials. Which still elevates him to a status much higher than anyone else in the galaxy.
I'd argue that he's less special than Halsey, who created him. But that's another discussion.
The relevant bit is that he's not so special as to derail the man vs. machine theme. It could be argued that if factors into it; he's programmed not only by the UNSC, but by millennia old genetic compulsions as well.
This also conveniently explains "you are Forerunner".Hmm. True. It's definitely a deliberate callback (or call forward, if you're going chronologically). I could see both being true; the Chief havingan imprint of the Didact, and Guilty Spark just being nuts.
But the thing about this is, they can't even pursue the man vs. machine angle anymore without it looking like they don't know what to do. This whole idea of humanizing the Master Chief is fine, but you can't humanize a character whose essentially been elevated to a Christ-like status in the canon. The Master Chief is the product of eons of genetic planning in the making, he is the byproduct of a plan set forth not by himself but someone else to make him special and different.
By that measure? They can't make this a man vs. machine struggle, because he's not even a man. He's a special being, one that is empowered by and necessary to the universe cannon as a singular character. Which couldn't work harder to counteract any attempts to humanize the character.
So there's a hidden image in the code of the #HuntTheTruth teaser site:
Sorry to post Halo Follower. Can't find any other video on it yet.
Where have we seen Gods and Demons before?
Hmmmmm, I wonder...
;D
This also conveniently explains "you are Forerunner".
It also now makes sense as to why we have Locke as a second playable character, to provide a TLDR for the expanded fiction.
Woah! Nice!!
Definitely points to Cortana
"I have defied Gods and Demons"
Wonder if there will be a teaser released on sunday similar to that "gods and Deamons" teaser for Halo 3 all those years ago....(which would obviously lead up to a E3 gameplay reveal for the campaign).
It's pretty popular, honestly.
And of course they will Disseminating information from other sites is literally Reddit's whole purpose.
Because Tumblr is free, easy, and quickly reposted and shared. Tumblr is very much an avidly popular social network.
Does anyone outside of the 13-19 demographic really use it? I mean yeah I guess it's always nice to cater to new fans, but most Halo fans are now early 20's to we'll into late 30's even early 40's. I dont know a single person who uses Tumblr, which is why. Again anecdotal, haha. Just thinking that they do have Waypoint and could've made their own site for it as well.
I dunno, John is important in the sense that any current generation is important. He's as close for modern humans as they've been to their precursor legacy, to humanity at its height. He's significant, but I think the "chosen one" connection (at least with what we've seen in the story) is overstated if we're describing him with almost holy reverence. Since a big theme of the games/stories has been how misplaced that sort of characterization of history is, I can't agree with you there.
"Reclaimer. When I indexed mankind for repopulation, I hid seeds from the Didact. Seeds that would lead to an eventuality. Your physical evolution, your combat skin, even your ancilla Cortana. You are the culmination of a thousand lifetimes of planning."
Yep. 343 (aka Chakas)'s subconscious is starting to emerge from the depths of where it had long been forgotten and was seeing the imprinted geas of IsoDidact/Bornstellar within MC, but not to a degree of meta-realization, but to the point of abject confusion as he wasn't currently able to put 2 and 2 together.
I love that you put it that way. Very possible.
I think she's talking about Spartan IIs in general because none of those things are exclusive to John. You could replace him with any of the other Spartan IIs and that exchange would be the same.I mean, the librarian very specifically states this about the Master Chief:
That to me seems pretty specific in saying that the Master Chief is the culmination of this effort, and because of this is the most special. I certainly wouldn't call it overstated given this exchange.
I think she's talking about Spartan IIs in general because none of those things are exclusive to John. You could replace him with any of the other Spartan IIs and that exchange would be the same.
I think she's talking about Spartan IIs in general because none of those things are exclusive to John. You could replace him with any of the other Spartan IIs and that exchange would be the same.
Noble 6. Well, at least the small of his backOther than Cortana. I don't think she ever rode with another Spartan.
True. But she could if she wanted to.Other than Cortana. I don't think she ever rode with another Spartan.
Cortana is pretty specific.
True. But she could if she wanted to.
I mean, the librarian very specifically states this about the Master Chief in Halo 4:
That to me seems pretty specific in saying that the Master Chief is the culmination of this effort, and because of this is the most special. I certainly wouldn't call it overstated given this exchange.
You're confusing someone being a sign that a plan succeeded with what amounts to magic. The Librarian and the Lifeworkers were attempting to elevate humanity back to its status before the Human-Forerunner War. The significance isn't that John is the result, it's that a human reached that point. His presence and the modern equivalent of a gaes means it was a success.