is a game really that bad if you still keep coming back to it after more then a year to discuss its flaws? i'm just kind of sick of reading obviously greatly exaggerated "reach sucks" posts.
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Halo: Reach |OT7| What are They to Say Now?
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is a game really that bad if you still keep coming back to it after more then a year to discuss its flaws? i'm just kind of sick of reading obviously greatly exaggerated "reach sucks" posts.
I haven't been keeping up with this thread so excuse me if anyone here said something as simple as "reach sucks" and walked away without a hint of intelligence, only a sense of bashing without reason.
cuevas. PhD.
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The last couple hours of the campaign did suck.
ElRenoRaven
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Shake Appeal
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I agree with you, and I think FyreWulff's way of looking at it is bonkers.
That said, I don't think you can overestimate the effect of Reach facing a far more cluttered market for FPSs than Halo 3 did, and being largely out of step with most current trends (and thank goodness for that; there are more than enough 'hyperreal' 'modern' 'warfare' 'simulators' or whatever out there).
The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle: Reach probably has turned a lot of people off Halo (and anecdotally I can confirm this, as plenty of my Halo 3-playing friends simply couldn't get into Reach, or were eventually too annoyed by it to continue playing), but not as many as its biggest detractors would like to claim.
Hydranockz
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This thread goes to the weirdest places sometimes.
Just give me a Race playlist or some weekend exclusive playlist and I'll be happy.
Maybe we'll see a Destiny reveal trailer at the VGA's... maybe?
Just give me a Race playlist or some weekend exclusive playlist and I'll be happy.
Maybe we'll see a Destiny reveal trailer at the VGA's... maybe?
BlueScrote
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Great analysis here. I think one of the things to come in the next generation of consoles will be a greater feedback loop between devs and players in the console setting. Although blizzard is one of the few devs that even does the constant balancing act well.
HiredN00bs
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Even the sum of valid complaints across all the OTs does not soundly lead to the conclusion "Reach sucks". It's pretentious hyperbole that has no place in a rational discussion or criticism among fans.
Steelyuhas
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Looks like I missed about on some halogaf fun last night. Ghaleon actually played Reach, my peach fuzz faced friend Hitmonchan almost played Xbox, and Devo got super drunk, but surely failed to get as drunk as I did.
Speaking of being that drunk, as a result I'm going to need to play some significant Xbox today, so if anyone is trying to play them haloz or bf3 let me know.
Speaking of being that drunk, as a result I'm going to need to play some significant Xbox today, so if anyone is trying to play them haloz or bf3 let me know.
I'd love to go in and offer feedback, but something tells me that won't happen.
Hydranockz
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That's hardly going to be any easier to quantify though.
Improvements that they've made in terms of performance, technical stuff, story, and gameplay. Personally, I give the studio's best game to ODST. It is all a matter of opinion, but here it's self-opinion.
That's pretty funny. We get a LOT of questions - many of them are stupid. I've NEVER been asked that - EVER. Not even once.
You must talk to a userbase that has zero overlap with HBO.
You're totally missing what Fyre's saying - and what Bungie has said a number of times.
The COUNTING methods for the two games are different. Even today. It's just the way they were set up.
The population counts, as reported by Bungie.net, are NOT directly comparable. Bungie has said this many, many times.
Shake Appeal
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ODST is probably the best Bungie Halo game, yeah. Story, design, audio/music, risks taken that paid off, introduction of Firefight, and the maps added for Halo 3 were really solid. If it had been a little more fully-fledged, a little more varied in its city design, and packed in a few more multiplayer maps, I wouldn't even have to think about it.
Steelyuhas
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I've been asked that question many times just like Fyrewulff.
There isn't a single, unified opinion I could summon for you. That's like asking what the studio's favorite color is.
Well said.
I do think that this coming out is pretty damn funny though. Hysteria actually for most of the season used the Needle Rifle :lol
The newer games are all on top?
Steelyuhas
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Greatest color eva!!
ElRenoRaven
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Exactly. Everyone always agrees that for a game it's great but for a Halo game it let's them down. I of course don't agree even though I dislike some of the things in it. Examples being Armor abilities, vehicles and how broken they are compared to past games. Despite that it's a great game still because no game is perfect. Bungie tried something new too and I applaud that even if I didn't like all of the new things they tried.
This is one thing I think that a lot of people forget too. Bungie isn't a single person. Everyone there is going to have different opinions on the game they have made. At the end of the day not everyone will be happy with it. Even everyone who made it.
A27_StarWolf
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Free thinking...? That doesn't fit well with World Domination
Purple colors are the colors of royalty... World Domination?
Shake Appeal
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When you think about it, the fact that Reach is beating Gears of War 3, Madden NFL 12, Saints Row: The Third, and Assassins Creed Revelations is impressive in itself. Also, the multiplayer playerbase is split a little with the Anniversary disc.
You really think Reach was destroyed from a day input from 2 MLG Pros? I get what your saying but I rather have someone there to give the game feedback that plays the game seriously.
The thing that bothers me is this is just a little jab at a community for no reason, they've obviously moved on to their Activision game. Why have someone from their company say this now? I thought bashing MLG was long over by now.
I don't blame Urk. He's sorta defending Bungie and throwing a little jab at MLG. I feel like the general MLG community feels likes Bungie has been fucking up Halo since CE. When Halo 2 was on the circuit, people wanted Halo 1. Whem Halo 3 was on the circuit they wanted Halo 2. Same goes for Reach. It's all reactionary bullshit. And the truth is I'm curious is to see what MLG is if Bungie didn't continue to put out amazing Halo titles.
Also, low population is a product of the weaker sales for Reach. Obviously there are a lot of people who stopped playing Reach and I do think that's had an effect but this population is very low.
Steelyuhas
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When you play Reach from the CEA disc, it says you are playing Reach. I think those count towards the Reach UU's.
Hydranockz
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No Halo game released after or before Halo 2 will be anything like Halo 2. Can you please stop comparing everything to Halo 2. You like Halo 2. You love Halo 2. You don't like Reach because it isn't like Halo 2. You don't like Halo 3 because it isn't Halo 2. You would have hated Halo: CE retroactively had you known how good Halo 2 was going to be.
Halo 4, while being 2^2, will not be Halo 2 to the power of Halo 2. I think wanting games to go back and be like Halo 2 is silly.
"It was the best multiplayer game ever made". This isn't subjective at all. Let's not for a second think I am in anyway disregarding any success Halo 2 has had. It was a great game.
Shake Appeal
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I swear, people have such ridiculously rose-tinted glasses for this stuff. Halo 2 as it was on the day of its release was plagued with problems. SMG starts (and other weapons that were more or less useless)? The sword? Standbying, superbouncing, and other glitches? Shoddy netcode? Ridiculous autoaim on precision weapons (swipe 2 snipe!!!!)? Lock-on rockets? Poor playlists, poor map settings (Banshee on Ascension lawl), and little that could be done about these things on Bungie's end, let alone ours? Fucking noob combo and the magical mystery plasma pistol?
Yeah, I'd imagine they do. Oh well, better luck next time, Bungle!
This is correct. Anniversary UUs are people playing Campaign. Reach numbers are Reach, Anniversasry MP combined.
Hydranockz
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Haha, oh wow. Look at how many of those games have been influenced by every Halo game. That's impressive. Look at how many games offer a robust stat tracking system and game history similar to Halo. Look at their community support and interaction which are simply not present in other titles. Look at how the Halo games have innovated the console FPS market time and time again. I'd say that is entirely fitting for the flagship series for the Xbox. The fact that, 10 years down the line, only now can Halo be shaken from the top is testament to the influence it has had on other games and how they have needed to raise the bar for quality.
Shake Appeal
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Curious how you selected one point among like twelve as my "main argument". You are clearly not to be reasoned with. Good evening.
ElzarTheBam
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Agreed, also the problem with the activity charts is that we don't have an overall idea of the population in each game, I imagine the gap between 1 and reach being quite large, but the others, who knows.
Hydranockz
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Your post in no way is as good as a post Halo 2 would have made, were Halo 2 a poster on Gaf.
ElRenoRaven
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I'll just say what I've said before even back in the Xbox days when Halo 2 dominated all. Why give a shit where it is on the freaking charts? As long as I have people to play with Halo could be 100th on the charts. Prime example. Till the day support for the original xbox died I could still hop into RTCW and find a game to play. Granted that was like 3 servers to choose from but I still played it and damn easily too. All with maybe 60 players tops playing it. Same with Whacked. Maybe had 8 of us tops playing that game through out it's life. I really just wish to god they'd quit posting those damn charts. All it does is cause stupid bickering for no reason at all because OMG someone's favorite game isn't number 1. When it was Halo on top it was the COD fanboys crying all the time about it. Now it's Halo fans turn to cry about not being number 1. /rant off.
this post rules.
Hydranockz
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Go play Halo 2 buddy.
You clearly cannot comprehend how Halo, or Doom for that matter, have essentially driven the production of other fantastic shooters. You simply cannot understand how modern FPS games are copying features 3-4 years after Bungie developed them. You simply cannot comprehend how people might look at Halo 2 in a bad way.
Blue Ninja
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Sucks that a chunk of water disappeared, didn't even notice that until it was too late. Oh well, it still looks awesome.
Hydranockz
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Blue Ninja
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Yup. It's missing the most recent ones, though. But I'll post 'em here for your enjoyment:
I still have a few new ones I haven't finished yet, including a doozy on Penance that I'm going to have to reshoot tonight.
