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Haswell-E Launching Q2 - Ahead of Schedule
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Austriacus
Member
Those 8 cores are gona hold up most likely to PS6, maybe even PS7. Hes not joking when hes saying they are on a different galaxy.
I think within 10 years we will move away from silicon substrate, and there will be vast performance increases. So this stuff could become totally obsolete. Germanium is being heavily researched due to its hole mobility advantage over silicon, which will mean much faster devices. Also we are coming to a critical point in moores law where the transistor gate length is approaching scales where quantum mechanics start to play a bigger role.
Iced_Eagle
Member
It's surprising, but awesome that Intel is releasing this a bit ahead of their (leaked) schedule.
Even though I just upgraded my machine last month, I'm probably going to look into upgrading it again either next year, or the year after. Give it a generation of refinement, and hopefully lower costs.
Now, hopefully in a year or two more games will better utilize those 8-cores.
Even though I just upgraded my machine last month, I'm probably going to look into upgrading it again either next year, or the year after. Give it a generation of refinement, and hopefully lower costs.
Now, hopefully in a year or two more games will better utilize those 8-cores.
This.... Like, I don't think Im building again until we see those. Im happy this hits earlier than expected though.
Zeyphersan
Banned
I have a 680 as well, but I'm feeling the pressure to upgrade because of the VRAM. Mine only has 2GB (I bought the 680 the day it came out) while later models got up to 4GB.
Austriacus
Member
Who knows, i certainly hope so. But im not so sure this is coming till at least 15 years more.
Singularity42
Member
Man I would love to start a new build with one of these.
Then I think about how long my i7 920 has been running at 4.1 and how it hasn't had an issue with anything I have thrown at it since 2008. What a great investment that little cpu has been!
I guess I'll be waiting for broadwell and beyond to do another build...
Edit: when are we going to see the graphene cpus?
Then I think about how long my i7 920 has been running at 4.1 and how it hasn't had an issue with anything I have thrown at it since 2008. What a great investment that little cpu has been!
I guess I'll be waiting for broadwell and beyond to do another build...
Edit: when are we going to see the graphene cpus?
I used to have a 920 too I think, or maybe it was a higher one, I don't recall. But yeah it feels like over the last 6 or so years, starting with the Neph chips, they are lasting a long while. Its good for wallets, but somehow I feel disappointed. You can't really do a build every 2 to 3 years because its just not worth it. You can get by on a rather older chip (assuming single gpu) for a whiiiiile.
GoofsterStud
Member
I2600K $250 first intel retailer package. Had it for years, overclocked to 4.8 GHZ on liquid cooling. I regret nothing.
I am ready to upgrade though. Nothing has looked like a real upgrade for a long time.
Unknown Soldier
Member
Yup, I have a 2 GB 680 too. Depending how the 8 GB of GDDR5 in PS4 is utilized in the coming year or two, I might find myself forced into a GPU upgrade even though the performance is fine, the VRAM size might become an Achilles heel soonish.
I've had my i7-950 since the first year that Nehalem was available. My gaming PC has not seen an overhaul in nearly half a decade besides GPU upgrades. If this thing really delivers on it's promises, I might have to jump in. 8 cores of Haswell ought to last another half decade if I get a decent OC out of it.
zyxwvu4321
Member
Holy damn. Been running my i7-920 @ 3.33GHz for 7 years now. Maybe this will be upgrade time.
Sutton Dagger
Member
Can we expect lower clock speeds because of the increase in cores? Clock for clock how do these compare to the consumer Haswell line?
As of now, the PS4 can utilise 5GB total for games. This'll probably increase a little over its lifetime, but a 2GB 680 might be viable for longer than you think. Of course this all depends on how you prefer your games to look and run.
Zeyphersan
Banned
I'm the asshole who refuses to run games on anything but max everything and 60+fps, so when 2GB VRAM becomes an issue, it's time to upgrade.
880 should have at LEAST 4GB, right?
mhayze
Member
$999 and $1299 for the top 2 chips. My guess is the $500-600 unlocked part will be a hex core.
SneakyStephan
Banned
8 cores?
HOLY shit
I thought there would only be 6 core versions again
finally some sign of progress in cpu land
Kind of tempting (even though it's hella expensive) to get the 6 core version when it's out
2-4 cores powerful enough to not choke on all the current and near future games that'll only support 2-4 cores, and a 50 percent performance increase down the line when new games do support more cores
Kind of like I got 50 percent extra performance out of my phenom II 3x for 10 euros down the line in certain games (only much more expensive )
hopefully it overclocks well and doesn't suffer from the same IHS gap issue crap from haswell and ivy bridge
hopefully the 6 core version is 330 dollars and the 8 core
I really hope there'll be a 6 core broadwell or skylake now that their extreme editions go up to 8 to make it accessible for the average consumer
HOLY shit
I thought there would only be 6 core versions again
finally some sign of progress in cpu land
Kind of tempting (even though it's hella expensive) to get the 6 core version when it's out
2-4 cores powerful enough to not choke on all the current and near future games that'll only support 2-4 cores, and a 50 percent performance increase down the line when new games do support more cores
Kind of like I got 50 percent extra performance out of my phenom II 3x for 10 euros down the line in certain games (only much more expensive
) hopefully it overclocks well and doesn't suffer from the same IHS gap issue crap from haswell and ivy bridge
hopefully the 6 core version is 330 dollars and the 8 core
I really hope there'll be a 6 core broadwell or skylake now that their extreme editions go up to 8 to make it accessible for the average consumer
Depending on how the $330 6 core version overclocks, this will finally make me upgrade from my i7 920. It's about damn time.
I really hope this early launch rumour is true.
(I'm actually being serious)
I really hope this early launch rumour is true.
Considering the current trajectory of desktop CPU performance, 8 cores of OC'ed Haswell will last a decade, not half of one.
(I'm actually being serious)
SniperHunter
Banned
i was about to build a new pc, I guess will wait for this
Same here, my 980X is getting old. Only problem is this not being ITX.
rbanke
Member
I'm with you, Still rockin' a i7 860, been itching to upgrade for a year now.
Not enough space for the number of traces they need. Even cramming it all on a mATX board is pretty tough work.
What's funny is that this won't be a worthy gaming upgrade for you stillI2600K $250 first intel retailer package. Had it for years, overclocked to 4.8 GHZ on liquid cooling. I regret nothing.
I am ready to upgrade though. Nothing has looked like a real upgrade for a long time.
40 PCI-E 3.0 lanes is not enough? In what awesome, glorious world do you live?
Unless you're looking to drop some serious cash, or have a specific use for the extra cores (gaming cares not), you're probably better off with standard Haswell.
Zeyphersan
Banned
Last a decade like it'll be playing games in a decade, or playing games at max quality in a decade? Hard to believe the latter...
GoofsterStud
Member
What's funny is that this won't be a worthy gaming upgrade for you still
F............k! It seems so wrong going three years without an upgrade.
Theonik
Member
3*16=48 It's the exact same issue with X79.
SneakyStephan
Banned
cpu performance increases have pretty much grinded to a halt in the last 3 years (thanks to zero competition from amd)
if you get an 8 core intel cpu now it's twice as fast as the quad core versions (theoretically in well threaded games)
It's going to be a while before intel release mainstream i5s with 8 cores and at the current rate it'll take many years for performance of a quad core i5 to double
since there is no progress in cpu land (and the new consoles have pityfully weak cpus less than a quarter of the performance of the 8 core haswell E at stock) games won't be designed with faster cpus in mind for a good few years to come
But there aren't any video cards that are limited by x8 PCI-E 3.0.
Ding Ding Ding!
Same here, folks at the titanfall performance thread have been grilling me for not upgrading the 920. Will probably pick up the 8 core version and pick up another 2 titans to complete the set.
6-10% every single year is pretty fucking good.
Each new one that is released doesn't seem significant, but go back 3 generations, and you see a 20% boost in IPC.
You also get a drastic reduction in power with the newer stuff compared to older parts. Lots of tech dedicated to the laptop space. 10 hour laptops with real processors? That's awesome stuff.
6-core for $330? That sounds too good to be true.The 5820K will be 6C/12T for $330, and the platform supports DDR4.
Probably the on-die VRM. Sure seems to make it extra toasty.
Probably the on-die VRM. Sure seems to make it extra toasty.
Will Haswell-E be any different and how did overclocking Ivy-E turn out?
BrokenIcarus
Member
Will it be 14nm?
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Good. Maybe some prices may come down before early next year in time for me to build my next rig.
Zeyphersan
Banned
So how long would an 8 core Haswell-E and 16GB of DDR4 last me? Until I'm dead?
22nm
According to OC reports, 4930K hit the wall pretty fast, of course YMMV depending on luck.
Haswell-E will supposedly have better OC headroom than IB-E due to soldered on heat-spreaders instead of TIM.
Shmuely Bully
Member
My decision to purchase AMD stock at ~$9 back in 2010 looks worse all the time. Still a fan of the company, but Intel is taking their lunch money.