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[Esch]

I hated how DBZ handled all the side characters. Where the hell is my boy krillin at? Remember when he was considered to be equal to Goku? lol.

Yamcha and Tien were practically non-existent.

krillin got plenty of shine in the frieza saga.

tien had that 1 moment of fame against imperfect cell

toriyama basically threw in the towel on humans

 

[Boss Doggie]

The last Broly movie was painfully bad, probably the worst DBZ movie and man, that's a hard contest.

The first Cooler movie was pretty damn boring. The only reason I watched it so often when I was younger was because it was the first movie Goku turned SS in.

Hilariously enough the first movie I saw was the Broly manages to live movie (I think that was 90's?).

 

[A Pretty Panda]

Yeah rewatching Z awhile back, they were so desperate to get to Namek to revive their friends. I'm like, why? They barely do anything for the rest of the series besides Piccolo. And even he gets sidelined once it become the Super Saiyan show.

Yamcha did extra nothing in Z. You can summarize his entire appearance in Z by watching him in the 9th movie.

 

[-Eddman-]

We never knew Master Roshi's real power though. Motherfucker was able to easily destroy the moon since the original Dragon Ball!

 

[Esch]

I didn't have a problem with one-upping. It's just that from the moment Vegeta lands on Namek, the one-upping increases on a logarithmic scale when it should have increased on a linear scale.

my ten year old self loved it. the series had basically been about fucking bowlcut and baldie running around namek talking to wrinkled old green ballsacks about reviving their scrub friends and bulma complaining about the inconveniences of capsule life. enter vegeta and the game done changed. that was when dbz got actually fun to watch from a fight perspective.

 

[jaxword]

Yeah rewatching Z awhile back, they were so desperate to get to Namek to revive their friends. I'm like, why? They barely do anything for the rest of the series besides Piccolo. And even he gets sidelined once it become the Super Saiyan show.

That's because Toriyama had no plans past Frieza by that point.

 

[Esch]

Yeah rewatching Z awhile back, they were so desperate to get to Namek to revive their friends. I'm like, why? They barely do anything for the rest of the series besides Piccolo. And even he gets sidelined once it become the Super Saiyan show.

i cant cosign, piccolo kept it 1hunna during the cell saga.

 

[Xzeon]

goku and vegeta spend like 25 years training and almost dying and getting trained by actual gods and they're at "pretty high" level for frieza's soldiers

then like a year later they're literally 1,000 times stronger

I think it was cuz after Freiza they kinda gave up and just ran with it and did whatever.

Bad guy is stronger than Goku, Goku gets stronger, kills him, new bad guy is stronger than the last bad guy, goku gets stronger, kills him, new bad guy is even stronger than the last bad guy...

Just fell in a pattern instead of using training/drawn out story line shit to make everyone stronger.

The last Broly movie was painfully bad, probably the worst DBZ movie and man, that's a hard contest.

Oh god... fucking Swamp Thing Broly... I think this is actually the worst thing in the whole Dragon Ball universe actually.

Holy FUCK was that thing SO BAD.

The entire Broly Saga is shitty but GOD DAMN that third movie just ruins any good the other 2 movies did and is also the worst Dragon Ball thing ever.

Was anyone else also mad at how shitty Metal Cooler was?

The first movie was amazing, Cooler Form 5 was so fucking epic, and when Goku turned Super Saiyan and that Deftones song kicked in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NynMq4dE1p8

Pure magic.

Then the second movie was shit. Metal Cooler was lame, there was NO music american or japanese, Metal Cooler was in form 4 for some reason, I remember it being very slow and boring, I just really hated it.

 

[Kusagari]

Piccolo is pretty important in the Cell Saga. He even has that brief moment after fusing with Kami where he's stronger than everyone.

He only really becomes sidelined in the Buu saga.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

That's because Toriyama had no plans past Frieza by that point.

Oh yeah definitely for the time it was fine. But looking back on it each of those characters does maybe 1 thing each after that point. Could probably all been done by Piccolo.

 

[zero_suit]

i cant cosign, piccolo kept it 1hunna during the cell saga.

They way they treated him in the Buu Saga was so wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iP2QANPIRyY

 

[Esch]

I think it was cuz after Freiza they kinda gave up and just ran with it and did whatever.

Bad guy is stronger than Goku, Goku gets stronger, kills him, new bad guy is stronger than the last bad guy, goku gets stronger, kills him, new bad guy is even stronger than the last bad guy...

Just fell in a pattern instead of using training/drawn out story line shit to make everyone stronger.

this didnt really happen in the cell saga though. in a super convoluted way in the buu saga, but that shit is irrelevant.

 

[Xzeon]

this didnt really happen in the cell saga though. in a super convoluted way in the buu saga, but that shit is irrelevant.

Ye theres more details, but that was the core of the show p much, the constant 1upping shit lol.

 

[Pandaman]

Goku going from "over 9000" to the millions by training on a space capsule for a few months was weak as fuck.

The series really went downhill once Vegeta was no longer the most powerful Saiyan.

to be fair; he only went from 9,000 to about 80,000 by training at x100 gravity; which was still significantly weaker than great ape vegeta was.

 

[Varjet]

Piccolo is pretty important in the Cell Saga. He even has that brief moment after fusing with Kami where he's stronger than everyone.

He only really becomes sidelined in the Buu saga.

I liked it better when Piccolo was a demon anyway.

 

[Brickhunt]

I have mixed feeling about how things went with Vegeta after the Saiyan Saga, it was entertaining see him kill Freeza's men, but he went to steal the spotlight from other characters that wish had fought some of his men (like Zarbon and Dodoria).

Sometimes I imagine how things would have gone if Krillin didn't take Goku's crap and killed Vegeta when he had the chance. It sure would have made Namek saga dynamic more different. Although Toriyama would have to lower the power level ceiling to allow Gohan and Kriilin fare better against Freeza's man (Personally, I don't think it would be a bad thing).

And although I loved the super saiyan reveal, I could live it without it if Freeza had been finished by the spirit bomb. A much stronger opponent is finally taken down by the combined effort of everyone who took part on the battle. It would have been a nice ending to the series.

 

[MThanded]

I have never seen a single episode of DBZ.

This was not intentional. I grew up during the time it was super popular. I somehow just managed to miss the show altogether. Not sure.

 

[LeleSocho]

to be fair; he only went from 9,000 to about 80,000 by training at x100 gravity; which was still significantly weaker than great ape vegeta was.

huh? i remember him going far beyond 100.000 with a single kaioken against Ginyu

 

[Unknown One]

180,000 I think, then his body got jacked up and his power multiplied.

 

[Puddles]

180,000 I think, then his body got jacked up and his power multiplied.

Yep, and just a few episodes prior, Vegeta was owning people with a power level of 24,000 (how the fuck do I remember this shit from elementary school when I can't remember the state capitals?). When someone revealed that Vegeta was powering up over 22,000, that was a "shit just got real" moment. He was nearly 3x stronger than Goku had been in the "over 9,000!!!!" moment.

Then you get the Ginyu squad, and everyone in is the hundreds of thousands. I guess Vegeta eventually got there, but then Freiza dropped the "my power level is over a million" bomb, and it was like WTF? He is nearly 50 times more powerful than Vegeta was in the shit just got real moment, and over 5 times more powerful than Goku had been just a few episodes prior. Then Goku owned him.

Like I said, that power scale became logarithmic in short order. It was fairly inane. The battles got less and less creative after the Ginyu squad died. Fewer interesting uses of abilities and more hadoukens and falcon punches.

 

[Anth0ny]

Yep, and just a few episodes prior, Vegeta was owning people with a power level of 24,000 (how the fuck do I remember this shit from elementary school when I can't remember the state capitals?). When someone revealed that Vegeta was powering up over 22,000, that was a "shit just got real" moment. He was nearly 3x stronger than Goku had been in the "over 9,000!!!!" moment.

Then you get the Ginyu squad, and everyone in is the hundreds of thousands. I guess Vegeta eventually got there, but then Freiza dropped the "my power level is over a million" bomb, and it was like WTF? He is nearly 50 times more powerful than Vegeta was in the shit just got real moment, and over 5 times more powerful than Goku had been just a few episodes prior. Then Goku owned him.

Like I said, that power scale became logarithmic in short order. It was fairly inane. The battles got less and less creative after the Ginyu squad died. Fewer interesting uses of abilities and more hadoukens and falcon punches.

Near death saiyan power up. greatest hax in db history.

 

[Unknown One]

The best fights is in Dragon Ball seriously.

Dragon Ball is the best among the 3.

Greatest hax would be Gohan period. Infinite power by the power of anger. He's a living hax.

 

[Puddles]

Near death saiyan power up. greatest hax in db history.

Yes, but Vegeta had almost died like 3x on Namek by that point as well.

I think someone might have accidentally added an extra zero to the power levels in one episode in the Frieza saga, and they just ran with it.

 

[Unknown One]

In terms of potential Vegeta falls way behind the natural potential of Goku and Gohan. His 2 years of training in the Hyperbolic time Chamber was dwarfed by Goku and Gohan's 3/4th of a year training? I don't know how long they were in there, but they did hop out early. Even after the Cell timeskip he was training at 300 times gravity while Goku was training the old fashion way with weights (filler I know) and he was still way behind that he had to cheat by gaining the Majin power up to be on par with SS2 Goku.

 

[Kinyou]

We never knew Master Roshi's real power though. Motherfucker was able to easily destroy the moon since the original Dragon Ball!

Dude has magical sunglasses

 

[Puddles]

In terms of potential Vegeta falls way behind the natural potential of Goku and Gohan. His 2 years of training in the Hyperbolic time Chamber was dwarfed by Goku and Gohan's 3/4th of a year training? I don't know how long they were in there, but they did hop out early. Even after the Cell timeskip he was training at 300 times gravity while Goku was training the old fashion way with weights (filler I know) and he was still way behind that he had to cheat by gaining the Majin power up to be on par with SS2 Goku.

This was kind of a dumb decision, IMO. Vegeta was introduced as the Prince of Saiyans. To get thoroughly embarrassed by a lower-rank Saiyan and his kid was a poor way to treat his character.

 

[Rebel Leader]

Dude has magical sunglasses

Broly is the most powerful Saiyan in existence,

 

[BHZ Mayor]

While we're talking about power levels, I'm just going to repost my thoughts from another thread on how the scaling makes zero sense.

While we're on the subject of DBZ, I've begun to realize that Future Trunks' timeline makes no sense.

1. The Androids have been going around killing people for 20 years and somehow this doesn't end humanity or at the very least, they don't even get bored.

2. Being as their actually partially human, they somehow show no signs of aging.

3. Throughout the years, Future Gohan and Trunks just can't get strong enough to defeat the Androids, yet in the main timeline, one year in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber (Room of Spirit and Time for purists) is enough for Present Gohan to not only become a Super Saiyan for the first time, but also become a Super Saiyan 2 and kill Cell at 9 years old, and enough for Trunks to be able to take on Cell's second form, with Cell being a much more powerful opponent than the Androids could ever hope to be.

4. While considering the above, also keep in mind that the Androids in the main timeline were stated to be even stronger than the ones in Trunks' timeline.

5. And apparently, the whole 'Saiyans get stronger after near death' thing just flies out the window as neither Future Gohan nor Trunks could achieve anything close to the above after consecutive years of getting their shit slapped around by the Androids, yet once again after that ONE YEAR of training, Trunks can dispatch of the 30-something year-old- but-still-look-like-teenagers-Androids like nothing.

 

[Kusagari]

In terms of potential Vegeta falls way behind the natural potential of Goku and Gohan. His 2 years of training in the Hyperbolic time Chamber was dwarfed by Goku and Gohan's 3/4th of a year training? I don't know how long they were in there, but they did hop out early. Even after the Cell timeskip he was training at 300 times gravity while Goku was training the old fashion way with weights (filler I know) and he was still way behind that he had to cheat by gaining the Majin power up to be on par with SS2 Goku.

Gohan it was at least established that for some reason Saiyan/Human hybrids are stronger than regular Saiyans. Doesn't really make sense in regards to Goku, but then again Bardock was portrayed as stronger than King Vegeta.

 

[Unknown One]

I think they would be dead if they were in an actual near death situation (Gohan). I'm guessing they fought and ran instead of going balls out. One thing about the hyperbolic time chamber is that the gravity and weather fluctuates and the air is much thinner. It probably conditioned their body to more efficiently breath and use oxygen.

I think the androids were just assholes. The one in Trunk's timeline were just bigger assholes.

But yeah it's inconsistent that I have to make excuses to justify what happened instead of having it simply explained by canon.

 

[Puddles]

Gohan never should have been the best at anything. He was always a shitty character.

 

[Stumpokapow]

Even if I wanted to watch Dragon Ball, which I don't, I literally would not know how to. There are so many different releases--different voice actors, different music, cut for content, Kai (which remakes some but not all of Dragon Ball Z?), remastered, blu-ray--it's totally absurd. And that's without even getting into subbed versus dubbed.

 

[Unknown One]

I never really liked his instant Mystic power up. Sit for 24 hours and bam you're the strongest character in the universe. That was the most bs power up in the series. He hardly trained at all in 7 years and then after that he overtook Goku and Vegeta by sitting for a day and those two trained their asses off.

 

[jaxword]

While we're talking about power levels, I'm just going to repost my thoughts from another thread on how the scaling makes zero sense.

In Trunks' timeline, the Androids had many years more development before Gero unleashed them. If not for Trunks arriving in the original Timeline, Gero would've completed his first campaign (him and 19) and then had the data he needed to perfect 18 and 17 to the point they could kill the Z-fighters.

After they killed Gero and Goku, they simply got bored and did what they want, since they were still teenagers in the mind.

It's a biiiiiiiiiiig world. You can do a lot of hedonistic stuff over years with 7 billion people. Even if you killed ONE MILLION people a day, it'd still take 20 years do wipe out humanity completely.

Do the math yourself. It really would take that long.

I never really liked his instant Mystic power up. Sit for 24 hours and bam you're the strongest character in the universe. That was the most bs power up in the series. He hardly trained at all in 7 years and then after that he overtook Goku and Vegeta by sitting for a day and those two trained their asses off.

Toriyama was obviously parodying himself at that point.

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

He's not stronger than the Hulk. The hulk has infinite strength based on how mad he gets.

But it's also canonical that Pre-Crisis Superman >>> the Hulk:

Therefore:

Batman > Pre-Crisis Superman >>> the Hulk > Dragon Ball Z guys.

 

[demosthenes]

In Trunks' timeline, the Androids had many years more development before Gero unleashed them. If not for Trunks arriving in the original Timeline, Gero would've completed his first campaign (him and 19) and then had the data he needed to perfect 18 and 17 to the point they could kill the Z-fighters.

After they killed Gero and Goku, they simply got bored and did what they want, since they were still teenagers in the mind.

It's a biiiiiiiiiiig world. You can do a lot of hedonistic stuff over years with 7 billion people. Even if you killed ONE MILLION people a day, it'd still take 20 years do wipe out humanity completely.

Do the math yourself. It really would take that long.





Toriyama was obviously parodying himself at that point.

Wait, why was there no Cell in the future timeline?

 

[jaxword]

Wait, why was there no Cell in the future timeline?

There was.

Trunks' timeline goes:

Goku dies of heart disease.
Androids are released a bit later and wipe out the Z fighters.
They kill Gero, and without a Goku left to kill they just do what they want for about 13 years.
"History of Trunks" happens here. Gohan dies. Trunks goes back in time.
Trunks returns and destroys 17 and 18.
He then waits for Cell to hatch, which he does.
Cell finds no 17 and 18.
Cell learns of the time machine and plans to kill Trunks and go back in time.
Trunks is prepared and kills him first.

 

[-Eddman-]

Wait, why was there no Cell in the future timeline?

If I remember correctly, the Cell of the present timeline is actually Cell from the future who travelled in time with Trunks' machine.

The "present" Cell was killed by Trunks and Krillin while still a larva

 

[jaxword]

If I remember correctly, the Cell of the present timeline is actually Cell from the future who travelled in time with Trunks' machine.

The "present" Cell was killed by Trunks and Krillin while still a larva

There's three Cells in the series.

"Present" Cell, who was killed as a larva.
"Trunks' timeline" Cell, who planned to kill Trunks and go back in time, but was killed.
"Cell's timeline" Cell, who DID succeed in killing Trunks, goes back in time. This is the Cell that we see in Egg, Insect, and eventual perfect form in the "present" timeline.

 

[shadyspace]

yeah, the single best thing to come out of DBZ was The History of Trunks.

 

[Kinyou]

But it's also canonical that Pre-Crisis Superman >>> the Hulk:

http://i.imgur.com/JCrfh.jpg[IMG]


Therefore:

Batman > Pre-Crisis Superman >>> the Hulk > Dragon Ball Z guys.[/QUOTE]
No way!

Batman or Superman can't even scream half as much as Goku!!

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

Yep, and just a few episodes prior, Vegeta was owning people with a power level of 24,000 (how the fuck do I remember this shit from elementary school when I can't remember the state capitals?). When someone revealed that Vegeta was powering up over 22,000, that was a "shit just got real" moment. He was nearly 3x stronger than Goku had been in the "over 9,000!!!!" moment.

LOL! Puddles I missed you man. Flawless breakdown here.

 

[Boss Doggie]

What I hate about GT is how they ended Piccolo.

Really shitty deal.

 

[Caboose]

GT does not exist.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

vegeta on earth: 18,000
vegeta after getting beat up on earth: 24,000
vegeta after getting beat up by zarbon: 30,000
vegeta after getting beat up by recoome: 250,000 (what the fuck)
vegeta after getting a hole in his stomach: even stronger than piccolo who was over 1,000,000

he didn't even train that whole time, it was like 2 months

bull fucking shit

 

[Varjet]

bull fucking shit

Pretty much
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlnyjw5LUj0#t=24s

 

[SouthernDragon]

I have never seen a single episode of DBZ.

This was not intentional. I grew up during the time it was super popular. I somehow just managed to miss the show altogether. Not sure.

Abridged, bro.

 

[SapientWolf]

We never knew Master Roshi's real power though. Motherfucker was able to easily destroy the moon since the original Dragon Ball!

His real power was being the most perverted character in the DB universe.

 

[Boss Doggie]

GT does not exist.

True, true.

I'll just pretend the show ended after Buu saga. Has a perfect ending in it.

 

[Timedog]

We never knew Master Roshi's real power though. Motherfucker was able to easily destroy the moon since the original Dragon Ball!

Did you see when Roshi took off his shirt and was ready to go after Broly in the first Broly movie? Dude was ripped as fuck. I bet he could have taken on pre SSJ1 Broly.

This thread is getting really good with all the power levels and stuff.