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Honestly, what does Microsoft need to do with Scorpio to solidify your purchase?
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They need an entirely new first party portfolio and Japanese support. Microsoft's flagship IPs are so tired that I feel almost no regret skipping them this generation. But I wonder if they have the confidence or the risk tolerance to ever do this.
At the same time, Sony and Steam have already gobbled up the entire Japanese mid-tier production industry, so it's like the PS2 days never left. In short, MS would have to do something drastic for me to feel like the comfort those platforms provide me is disrupted.
At the same time, Sony and Steam have already gobbled up the entire Japanese mid-tier production industry, so it's like the PS2 days never left. In short, MS would have to do something drastic for me to feel like the comfort those platforms provide me is disrupted.
Or Until Dawn, or The Last Guardian, or Horizon. Stuff that shows they're taking big budget risks across a variety of genres, development backgrounds, audiences, scope, etc.
SolidSnakeUS
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That's for if you're playing up against others. You can still use controllers, but yeah, you'll be at a disadvantage. But it still comes down to the fact that you can use M+KB and controller, you choice, plus the fact that you have access to an absolutely massive PC library elsewhere too. So it makes sense in terms of value when you have access to so much.
Kaiser Swayze
Member
I preordered an XB1 the day they announced it, same as PS4. I could only justify buying one of them as we got within weeks of launch, cancelled the XB1 preorder, and haven't yet found a compelling reason to own an XBox when I already have a PS4. There just isn't enough to set them apart, and without any exclusives that excite me, I don't know what a more powerful version of a redundant console is going to do for me. So, yeah, it does come down to games.
At least one or two big-budget, short-fun, couch-coop gameplay experiences...
Not gonna' lie -- give me a grade-A Fuzion Frenzy sequel, do one or two crazy-ass Japanese partnerships, and put more emphasis on casual, online experiences -- and I'll probably bite so long as the price is reasonable.
Otherwise, more and prettier of the same isn't enough to justify it. Halo and Gears are stale franchises. I was so hyped for Crackdown 3, but what we did see of it didn't really impress and it's been crickets for months. No more 3rd party exclusivity that matters. What else is there?
That Rare game looks pretty damn good, I guess.
Not gonna' lie -- give me a grade-A Fuzion Frenzy sequel, do one or two crazy-ass Japanese partnerships, and put more emphasis on casual, online experiences -- and I'll probably bite so long as the price is reasonable.
Otherwise, more and prettier of the same isn't enough to justify it. Halo and Gears are stale franchises. I was so hyped for Crackdown 3, but what we did see of it didn't really impress and it's been crickets for months. No more 3rd party exclusivity that matters. What else is there?
That Rare game looks pretty damn good, I guess.
If they adopt the Apple pricing model, then yes, but I can't see them doing that.
I thought the PS4 Pro was a decently priced upgrade, especially since I got it for £175 by trading my old PS4 in. So I'm holding out hope for a possible deal when trading in the launch console.
jonscrambler
Member
you don't see what I see?
PS4 threads: I like simplicity of consoles, I don't want to update drivers, I don't want to change settings, I don't want bad ports, I like couch gaming, I don't want multiplayer cheaters, I prefer controllers don't want to play against mouse/keyboard users, consoles are cheaper, I like renting games and buy/sell used games. all my friends are on consoles, I use my PC for work not for games, PC multiplayer community is dead
Xbox threads: I have a gaming PC, no reason to own an xbox
VincentMatts
Member
Yeah this needs to be repeated literally every time theres a Scorpio thread.
Promise me new exclusives that aren't rushed (ReCore) or cancelled in three years (Scalebound, Fable Legends, Phantom Dust) and aren't the Big Three Halo/Forza/Gears).
Give me more single player narrative focused games. Like a Zelda clone. Or Uncharted clone. Maybe an exclusive rpg?
Money hat some JRPG's if you have too so you can establish a western audience there.
Give me more single player narrative focused games. Like a Zelda clone. Or Uncharted clone. Maybe an exclusive rpg?
Money hat some JRPG's if you have too so you can establish a western audience there.
IanVanCheese
Member
Reasonable price, deliver on the specs, have Crackdown 3 look shit hot.
Splash Wave
Member
There's almost nothing about the hardware itself that could get me to justify having a third home console in my rotation. Everyone I know has a PS4, and I have an insurmountably big digital library for it. Software-wise, Microsoft doesn't have anything strong enough to spread myself so thin.
KyleOnTheRun
Member
No idea. I can play the scant exclusives I want to play on PC.
An epic, diverse, risk-taking catalog of exclusives, native 4K, at $250 would probably do it.
An epic, diverse, risk-taking catalog of exclusives, native 4K, at $250 would probably do it.
joecanada
Member
yes in a world where ps4 didn't exist. it does. many people won't buy 2 consoles especially if they have a pc for the few MS games they want. and those people are probably also playing online mp games on ps4.
what I'm seeing in here is a lot of talk about first party games.
Okami Haundo
Member
I think I posted in here already, but I've had some more time to think. Honestly, I think the only thing that could keep me from buying Scorpio would be the price. If they somehow went insane and decided to release a $500-$600 machine, I'd have to sit things out for a bit.
If it's $400-$450 I'm all in. I skipped the PS4 Pro because Xbox One is my "primary" console. I currently move my One S between the living room and the bedroom depending on where I have the most time to play stuff. Having Scorpio hooked up to the big TV and the One S in the bedroom will make things much easier!
If it's $400-$450 I'm all in. I skipped the PS4 Pro because Xbox One is my "primary" console. I currently move my One S between the living room and the bedroom depending on where I have the most time to play stuff. Having Scorpio hooked up to the big TV and the One S in the bedroom will make things much easier!
BigTnaples
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Has to make Halo 6 look amazing.
Halo 5 is one of the biggest dissapoinments in gaming to me, and the graphics were one of my big problems with it.
If Scorpio can make Halo 6 look like a proper current gen game. I'll be happy.
Halo 5 is one of the biggest dissapoinments in gaming to me, and the graphics were one of my big problems with it.
If Scorpio can make Halo 6 look like a proper current gen game. I'll be happy.
Nothing I could realistically expect them to do.
If Scorpio ran unpatched XBO games at 4k/60fps, had near-perfect unpatched backwards compatibility, had a ton of new and interesting first-party IPs, and suddenly had PS4-levels of japanese support, then I'd consider it.
That's obviously a ridiculous list and I wouldn't expect them to deliver on even one of those.
If Scorpio ran unpatched XBO games at 4k/60fps, had near-perfect unpatched backwards compatibility, had a ton of new and interesting first-party IPs, and suddenly had PS4-levels of japanese support, then I'd consider it.
That's obviously a ridiculous list and I wouldn't expect them to deliver on even one of those.
bubaglobalj
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I already own a PS4 and a Nintendo Switch. I have hardly enough time to play all the games I want to play. I can't think of a single realistic development that would make me want to buy a third console.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
A new and unique exclusive game. A PSO type game or something like that. Cinematic action games or open world games don't move the needle for me anymore.
I don't think there is anything they could do unless they start releasing killer exclusives that are unavailable on PC. Right now they release all their stuff on PC, but I don't play any of it. I play a lot of ps4 exclusives though. Forza, Halo and Gears just seem boring to me. Sunset Overdrive is something I would play, but I'm not buying a console for that.
PooBone
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4k without sacrifice (the PS4 Pro is not what it should be, 4k comes at a loss of framerate) and full X360 backwards compatibility via hardware instead of software. (which Phil Spencer previously promised).
If they do those things, I'll have one by Christmas.
Nothing really.
I have a gaming PC, a ps4 and will have to get a Switch some years down the line.
MS has no interesting exclusives, and doesn't seem all that interested in building a good roster of first party developers or IPs, that paired with the ball dropping of the 360 in its second half, doesn't fill me with confidence.
Besides, having a PC means I'll get all the exclusives anyway.
There is really no point in getting a Scorpio, for me.
The XBone S could at least work as a cheap UHD player, but I don't have a 4k TV yet, so...
I have a gaming PC, a ps4 and will have to get a Switch some years down the line.
MS has no interesting exclusives, and doesn't seem all that interested in building a good roster of first party developers or IPs, that paired with the ball dropping of the 360 in its second half, doesn't fill me with confidence.
Besides, having a PC means I'll get all the exclusives anyway.
There is really no point in getting a Scorpio, for me.
The XBone S could at least work as a cheap UHD player, but I don't have a 4k TV yet, so...
I see the console wars argument, but Microsoft is working hard to make this statement factually correct. That's why you hear that part so often.
Edit: Assuming you already own a PS4.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
The last two are putting a lot of faith in MS and Rare to be able to make them. Sunset is completely up to Insomniac Games since they own the IP and Halo 6 is basically a given until the end of time.
Sony is working harder at having a solid exclusive line up, simple as that.
dottme
Member
I have a PS4 pro and a switch.
What might convince me:
-> some good exclusive in which I'm interested. There is maybe 2~3 games for the moment I want to try. But Scalebound in which I was interested was cancelled.
-> multi platform game run much better one Scorpio. I have a big library on PS4, so the difference of power need to be significant. Much more than between XBox one and PS4.
What might convince me:
-> some good exclusive in which I'm interested. There is maybe 2~3 games for the moment I want to try. But Scalebound in which I was interested was cancelled.
-> multi platform game run much better one Scorpio. I have a big library on PS4, so the difference of power need to be significant. Much more than between XBox one and PS4.
Rex_DX
Gold Member
Xbox One was my introduction to this generation. I bought the Sunset Overdrive special console and that game made me excited for the future.
Now I'm not.
Since I bought the console I've also built a mammoth PC (SLI 1070s. Total brag.) I bought a PS4 for $100 in November and DAMN was that good timing.
Xbox as a platform is fighting against a few stigma. It needs to distinguish itself as a superior console to the PS4 or hell even just a good alternative. Too often are multiplats outperforming it. It also needs to become something that isn't just for American causal gamers because that's the market at this juncture.
I wanted the magic that the 360 Arcade had. I want to know that if I have five bucks to spend then there are some killer indies available on the platform. There are on Steam. But the current Xbox One lineup has nothing that interests me.
Halo 5 multiplayer was phenomenal. That and Sunset Overdrive are the only things that have made me happy with the big ugly box.
To reiterate so many people: where are the fucking games?
Now I'm not.
Since I bought the console I've also built a mammoth PC (SLI 1070s. Total brag.) I bought a PS4 for $100 in November and DAMN was that good timing.
Xbox as a platform is fighting against a few stigma. It needs to distinguish itself as a superior console to the PS4 or hell even just a good alternative. Too often are multiplats outperforming it. It also needs to become something that isn't just for American causal gamers because that's the market at this juncture.
I wanted the magic that the 360 Arcade had. I want to know that if I have five bucks to spend then there are some killer indies available on the platform. There are on Steam. But the current Xbox One lineup has nothing that interests me.
Halo 5 multiplayer was phenomenal. That and Sunset Overdrive are the only things that have made me happy with the big ugly box.
To reiterate so many people: where are the fucking games?
except what SolidSnakeUS said does apply to me and I am sure a lot of people here too, so is your summary for xbox threads. Lack of exclusive on the system makes it pointless. I buy everything on pc when a pc version is available, still good to have a ps4 and switch because there are guaranteed exclusive games.
Celcius
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An exclusive tales of vesperia 4K remaster would get a purchase from me
If it's not exclusive then I'll still choose PC, or even buy a ps4 pro before scorpio though.
This thread had me reflect more and more as to what I personally would want to see in the new console;
-Xbox elite controller included
-An insane boost mode to previous xbox 360 and xbox one titles, something like 4k for 360 games and Xbox one games, and numerous 1080p features such as locked 60 fps and frame rate
-change their policy on Scorpio exclusives. I am in the PC camp here so I do not have a need for the system to compliment my PS4 and switch. If they 100% utilize the hardware and give me games I can 100% ONLY play on a Scorpio to me, that is a selling feature.
-A price point that makes it a no brainier purchase. I want this to be powerful and priced so well that everyone wants it day one. I want this thing to come out and be huge, not a tame release like the PS4 pro. Make me excited for the XBOX brand again.
-Xbox elite controller included
-An insane boost mode to previous xbox 360 and xbox one titles, something like 4k for 360 games and Xbox one games, and numerous 1080p features such as locked 60 fps and frame rate
-change their policy on Scorpio exclusives. I am in the PC camp here so I do not have a need for the system to compliment my PS4 and switch. If they 100% utilize the hardware and give me games I can 100% ONLY play on a Scorpio to me, that is a selling feature.
-A price point that makes it a no brainier purchase. I want this to be powerful and priced so well that everyone wants it day one. I want this thing to come out and be huge, not a tame release like the PS4 pro. Make me excited for the XBOX brand again.
An insistence that developers have a mode that targets 60fps (regardless of resolution), as an alternative to go along with Microsoft's drive for everything 4K (native or no).
I have a 4K television, but anything that opts for higher resolution rather than the fluidity of a 60fps frame rate is missing the point of an improved GPU, in my opinion.
I have a 4K television, but anything that opts for higher resolution rather than the fluidity of a 60fps frame rate is missing the point of an improved GPU, in my opinion.
The Horror the horror
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I feel MS needs to do something bold, and really set Sony and Nintendo back on their heels. Exclusive games will help but there's also the matter of service. I know this is a crazy wish, but I'd like to see them drop online charges and allow for free online multiplayer.
I already own a PS4 and a gaming PC so why would I invest in another platform unless it is extremely price competitive (like, $299-349 for the Scorpio) and has a bevy of attractive titles that are actually exclusive to the platform. If it's on PC I'll just buy it there instead of buying another bit of hardware to clutter up my entertainment center. Brief exclusivity periods on DLC don't work either as I'm more likely to wait it out on another platform or wait for the complete version than but into a new ecosystem.
Realistically, unless they show a good number of exclusive new IP or fresh takes on old IP, I'm unlikely to ever jump in. Haven't given a crap about Halo, Gears, Forza, or Crackdown in years and the last platform exclusive they published that I found relatively interesting was Sunset Overdrive.
Realistically, unless they show a good number of exclusive new IP or fresh takes on old IP, I'm unlikely to ever jump in. Haven't given a crap about Halo, Gears, Forza, or Crackdown in years and the last platform exclusive they published that I found relatively interesting was Sunset Overdrive.
GuitarAtomik
Member
Honestly the only reason I'd get one at this point is if it had exclusives. My current PC is more powerful than the Scorpio likely will be, it's going to get it's games, and I already have an Xbox One so there's really no reason for me to get one. They are fully aware that that's going to be the case for a lot of people though.
GoldenCrow
Member
I'm not really interested in owning another console but I would like something that bridges the PC market that has the convenience and accessibility of console. I would like to be able to access steam, gog and origin as well as the xbox store, basically a games focused Windows 10 OS. Backwards compatible with the Xbox, Xbox 360 and Xbox One as well as the huge amount of games that are currently available on Windows. Also the ability to use a variety of controllers, keyboards, mice, VR headsets, etc alongside the official merchandise. Do what Windows did for the PC market with consoles and what only Microsoft could really do.
ScatheZombie
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Make better games.