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Hotline Miami is freaking incredible
- Thread starter Neiteio
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OK, this guy got my money.
You guys are almost tempting me with Hotline... but I have such a huge backlog.... plus I'm jobless and still spending my money... I just can't do it.
I'm really struggling with understanding this point of view. I found the AI to be super predictable in their actions towards certain things, mainly involving noise. The hitboxes can be dodgy, but what exactly is unfair and unpredicatable about the AI?
Noise if the biggest offender. Whether or not they hear gunshots seems to have no consistency to it, as they will be standing in the same place and I will fire the same weapon - whether they react or not seems up to chance.
They also might randomly leave a room they had been steadfastly patrolling for your last five attempts of a level.
They might refuse to go anywhere near that door you had been using to knock them down.
Even the distance at which they see you seems to change.
They are random, and I find it quite odd you are not experiencing any of the above.
On top of that, weapon placement is also randomised, so where you might have been using a knife on your first three attempts, suddenly you're stuck with a shotgun you don't want to use for fear of attracting attention. Beating a level comes down to as much luck of what elements are going to be there as it is skill. The comparisons to Super Meat Boy are bogus because Super Meat Boy doesn't change the level's behaviour between respawns.
It's kind of funny. I've beaten the game almost twice now, and I haven't noticed any of that. I found a good reading of how the range of gun shots work and use that to draw them out and blow them away, throwing the weapon as I run out of ammo and charging the rest, for example.
The weapon placement is definitely random, though. Trying to beat one of those bosses in particular was an absolute bitch waiting for the shotty to spawn, but overall, I felt like the AI was really easy to exploit, and even their patrol patterns I didn't find to be random or anything you are experiencing.
Strange...
I just fired up a level to confirm. I stood by the entrance. I died four times, each time by a completely different goon who had randomly decided to leave their area.
I'm not saying that this ruins the game. It's one of my favourite games in a while. It could just do with more reliable enemy behaviour.
I'm not saying that this ruins the game. It's one of my favourite games in a while. It could just do with more reliable enemy behaviour.
Night_Trekker
Member
Alright, alright, I'll buy it the next time I see it on a Steam sale.
YianGaruga
Banned
Thanks for the music list, awesome.
Does thinking of the game as a twitch action puzzler help? AI in this game to me is 'Walk in path, turn and shoot guy in FoV'.
Just R and go again
This is one of my problems with the game, actually. I don't care for the Super Meat Boy style of infinitely retrying, especially when success hinges upon the AI not randomly becoming all-seeing sniping gods for no reason.
Polishin8r
Member
amazing, any words on adding levels or dlc? Hotline Miami 2?
Ciastek3214
Junior Member
They're making a sequel, it's been announced.
dave is ok
aztek is ok
He was working on DLC that eventually got so big it just became Hotline Miami 2, iirc.
Polishin8r
Member
NervousXtian
Thought Emoji Movie was good. Take that as you will.
I enjoyed my time with the game, but after beating it have absolutely zero want to boot it back up again.
I had the same problem with FTL.
Loved both in the beginning, but after about 8hrs with them was completely done with them forever.
I had the same problem with FTL.
Loved both in the beginning, but after about 8hrs with them was completely done with them forever.
derExperte
Member
The randomness is the reason (not the only one of course) I love it. Wouldn't work for most other games but here it fits perfectly for some reason, if the enemies behaved too predictable the thrill would be lessend imo. Also the developer explained somehwere the intricacies of the AI, that it's all intentional and why he did it this way despite some drawbacks.
Messofanego
Banned
This is actually the only loved game of this year that I still haven't played, but after so many threads I'm going to risk the bugs and play it now. Too many comparisons to Spec Ops and K&L 2 in terms of playing fucked up characters and commentary on violent games had me wet.
How is 360 controller?
How is 360 controller?
I wouldn't call enjoying something for 8 hours a "problem".
Yeah, feel the same. And if I'm being honest, I was sort of "ready" for it to be over by the time I was nearing the end. Still a blast first time through, though.
Haven't run into that with FTL. Only beat it once in two months :lol but I keep coming back to it.
universalmind
Member
Ya
OK, this guy got my money.
You guys are almost tempting me with Hotline... but I have such a huge backlog.... plus I'm jobless and still spending my money... I just can't do it.
Backlog doesn't matter, as the game is easily finished in about 8 hours, 10 max, to get all the masks/real ending.
Yep, i also dig track 9 and 15 (the bonus one) a LOT.
OP here. Controller support is superb (although I hear it wasn't always that way). I haven't played with KBM, but the 360 controller works great for what is effectively a twin-stick shooter/slasher. Run with left stick, aim with right stick, lock-on with R3. Left trigger picks up and throws items, right trigger uses weapon. There's very effective use of rumble, which really makes you jump when you're blasted by a shotgun offscreen, and if a bomb goes off your controller will shake (painfully so) for a minute. Very immersive, and for a game like this where twitch-reflexes have you tensing up, a proper controller works well.
Noisepurge
Member
Wrong thinking, buy it now for PC and then again for the Vita!
And if he/them are working on a sequel already, i have serious doubts about a new port.
fierrotlepou
Member
Good place to pimp this again:
http://perturbator.bandcamp.com/album/i-am-the-night
Free (PWYW) Album by Perturbator, who contributed 3 tracks to the OST.
Listen to 2., 9. and 10. to see if you'll like it. It's pretty goddamn good.
Oh yeah Hotline Miami rocks. The only game I'd call a "murder simulator".
EDIT After further listening I have to say my favourite track is actually 11.
Amazing.
SolarPowered
Member
I can't handle this.Good place to pimp this again:
http://perturbator.bandcamp.com/album/i-am-the-night
Free (PWYW) Album by Perturbator, who contributed 3 tracks to the OST.
Listen to 2., 9. and 10. to see if you'll like it. It's pretty goddamn good.
Oh yeah Hotline Miami rocks. The only game I'd call a "murder simulator".
EDIT After further listening I have to say my favourite track is actually 11.
holy shiiiiiiiiiiiiit
Messofanego
Banned
OP here. Controller support is superb (although I hear it wasn't always that way). I haven't played with KBM, but the 360 controller works great for what is effectively a twin-stick shooter/slasher. Run with left stick, aim with right stick, lock-on with R3. Left trigger picks up and throws items, right trigger uses weapon. There's very effective use of rumble, which really makes you jump when you're blasted by a shotgun offscreen, and if a bomb goes off your controller will shake (painfully so) for a minute. Very immersive, and for a game like this where twitch-reflexes have you tensing up, a proper controller works well.
Played 1 hour of it with controller, yeah getting blasted off by shotgun off-screen with controller rumble was amazing!
This game is pretty sick, on chapter 4. Will play rest tomorrow, doesn't seem very long. Thanks for the thread
Ciastek3214
Junior Member
Holy shit guys! Just found out you can change the soundtrack.
Messofanego
Banned
WHAT
DON'T
dave is ok
aztek is ok
KONY 2012
Typographenia
Member
Time to put MOON-Hydrogen on every stage.
edit:
I think steamworks is still a little buggy on their end. I'm missing one or two achievements at the moment, as well.
Ciastek3214
Junior Member
Wanna know my secret?
LOL, you guys sound like a skit off Chapelle's Show. XD
YianGaruga
Banned
LOl, so random.
You mean replacing the audio files? But that's one of the worst crimes a man can commit. That game's soundtrack is perfection in .ogg form.
Ciastek3214
Junior Member
You are close-minded if you think it can't get even better.
I see, they just released an 18mb patch, maybe they fixed it now?
Hotline Miami + Linking Park, a match made in heaven.
While I'm sort of in the "current soundtrack is sacred and untouchable" camp, I do wonder what it would be like to slay ruskies to the Yoshi's Story theme...
Wrong thinking, buy it now for PC and then again for the Vita!
And if he/them are working on a sequel already, i have serious doubts about a new port.
You're right. I had three dollars in my steam wallet and since it's only $5 right now I decided to take the plunge.
It can, but it'd take a lot of effort. Perhaps mixing it with Bit.Trip Flux's soundtrack, a little bit of Rick Wakeman's keyboard magic and some of Alan Parsons Project's early instrumental tracks.
But that would be overkill, I think.