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How the hell Killzone survived 10 years is beyond me
- Thread starter Endo Punk
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Warzone MP mode disagrees with you
Killzone series is like Fast and Furious for me, it's silly, it's dumb, it's fun and it ain't too serious, I actually laugh AT the series a fair bit.
I even laugh now at the twitter feed, like they actually take the lore, the weapons, the game seriously. It's laughable but I'm a fan, in an ironic wrestling fan kind of way.
I'm literally buying a PS4 primarily for KZ - that's my choice of next gen game out of what's out.
I even laugh now at the twitter feed, like they actually take the lore, the weapons, the game seriously. It's laughable but I'm a fan, in an ironic wrestling fan kind of way.
I'm literally buying a PS4 primarily for KZ - that's my choice of next gen game out of what's out.
Eh, it was pretty bad. There were a shit ton of glitches in that game, and the controls sort of sucked. Also the no jumping was sort of amusing.
But the Dual Shock 2 was a little awkward for shooters anyhow.
Iorv3th
Member
They are good at making games look good. But the games just aren't fun to me. It's like they want to add a ton of stuff to the game and make it look awesome, but forget to focus on the fun or something? I just traded it in today after beating it (and really not enjoying it that much) and not being able to get into the multiplayer.
Well I guess that's fair enough - sometimes I don't even reach this mark when I don't like a game.
Intheflorsh
Banned
Killzone. Killzone.
DarkoMaledictus
Tier Whore
2 wasn't that amazing either. Never finished it, just got bored halfway into it...
How is it generating profit for Sony? and considering how much effort goes into making a Killzone game, is it really worth it? Sony has killer game franchise now, such as infamous, Uncharted, LBP, TLOU...and Killzone isn't even selling that well, infact the sales have declined for KZ3 compare to KZ2.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Except Killzone isn't crap - The single player is better than nearly any FPS released in years.
And the multiplayer is phenomenal. Other MP is severely lacking in teamwork and just seems boring in comparison.
It also sells well. Topic fail.
And the multiplayer is phenomenal. Other MP is severely lacking in teamwork and just seems boring in comparison.
It also sells well. Topic fail.
BlackLagoon
Member
I'm not exactly an FPS connoisseur, but I do enjoy them. Especially how the franchise just looks gorgeous and has a rough, industrial design aesthetic (reminiscent of 90s sci-fi) that's pretty rare these days.
FF knew to change from street racing to heist tho
Idk if GG at this point knows what to do with KZ to that extent.
TheVanillaGorilla
Neo Member
Playing through Shadow Fall right now but it's only given me two or three enjoyable sections in hours of gameplay. I've always found KZ to be a bearer of beautiful but dull 6/10 single player experiences.
I am however loving the multiplayer in Shadow Fall and found Killzone Mercenary to be my favourite of the series by some way so who knows? Potential is there but I'd expect more after 10 years, as the OP points out.
I am however loving the multiplayer in Shadow Fall and found Killzone Mercenary to be my favourite of the series by some way so who knows? Potential is there but I'd expect more after 10 years, as the OP points out.
How can you say that about the SP. Its aggressively bad.
I agree
Traumnovelle
Member
I do like the weighty controls and unified aesthetic of Killzone 2, but didn't like how later entries walked away from that and yeah that series needs a rest.
I am hopeful of Guerrilla's supposed new IP RPG, especially with their recent hiring of John Gonzales who was the lead creative designer and lead writer of Fallout: New Vegas at Obsidian.
I am hopeful of Guerrilla's supposed new IP RPG, especially with their recent hiring of John Gonzales who was the lead creative designer and lead writer of Fallout: New Vegas at Obsidian.
BendingUnit
Banned
People love to shoot shit. But yeah, its' pretty sad.
Black was made by Criterion Games.
I agree with you.
I gave Shadowfall until chapter 6 and stopped, just ultra generic shooter with pretty graphics. Horrible story with terrible writing and just flat out boring. The visuals carried me through for a few hours and I LOVED the forest / open level but after that its just hallways and boredom.
I can see why people might like the mp though, the slowness and heavy gameplay just isnt my jam.
Trading my copy in this weekend and picking up something else......probly 3D World.
I gave Shadowfall until chapter 6 and stopped, just ultra generic shooter with pretty graphics. Horrible story with terrible writing and just flat out boring. The visuals carried me through for a few hours and I LOVED the forest / open level but after that its just hallways and boredom.
I can see why people might like the mp though, the slowness and heavy gameplay just isnt my jam.
Trading my copy in this weekend and picking up something else......probly 3D World.
It's a reactionary franchise and has always been. Sony doesn't know what to do with KZ (and Resistance for that matter) so they see what works in other FPS and what the masses enjoy. Unlike Sony's other IP's that have an indentity KZ is just a blank canvas that was at first trying to get Halo sales, then COD and prob Crysis now.
Check back tomorrow for Resongun hatin'
Nah that game is epic win.
3rdamention
Member
OP......this and your Knack thread, just wow. You basically said the same stuff about Knack based on a YouTube video.....
When are you making a thread about how horrible Resogun is?
Edit = holy shit you posted right above me nearly exactly what I was thinking.....awesome....
When are you making a thread about how horrible Resogun is?
Edit = holy shit you posted right above me nearly exactly what I was thinking.....awesome....
Boss Man
Member
Yeah, I think it's totally pointless for first parties to be messing with COD-a-like ADS shooters. I wish Sony would get somebody good on an arena shooter. GG I'd like to see move onto something else. KZ isn't bad, it's just nothing special really outside of graphics. It was nice to have GG there on a launch title though, I like having something that shows the system off a bit.
Shadow Fall is a beautifully stunning looking game. Unfortunately that single player campaign is just awful. The multiplayer isn't much better.
In a Killzone thread you'd say that? Why is that exactly?
In a Killzone thread you'd say that? Why is that exactly?
Don't worry, if KZSF MP numbers are any indication (500-1000 players in the most popular playlist), there won't be another Killzone or the next one will be a pretty drastic change. It's probably the least influential and regarded FPS with a budget and target of that size.
I was hoping Shadow Fall would change my opinion on the series but it just made me dislike it even more. The textbook example of a generic dudebro shooter. Other FPS games try to do something or anything that'll distinguish themselves but Killzone is just a really polished, really average shooter.
Campster described it most accurately:
Would be awesome if that art and world were being used for a better game.
I was hoping Shadow Fall would change my opinion on the series but it just made me dislike it even more. The textbook example of a generic dudebro shooter. Other FPS games try to do something or anything that'll distinguish themselves but Killzone is just a really polished, really average shooter.
Campster described it most accurately:
Would be awesome if that art and world were being used for a better game.
Eh Shadow Fall cost like 30 million to make according to official sources. It wont have to sell that many copies to make a profit (and it's selling pretty well regardless).
EekumBokum
Member
I feel like GG can do better than Killzone. If Killzone was a multiplatform series, I doubt it would get as much attention as it does.
This essentially reads as "I don't like this game so it sucks and shouldn't exist anymore." Can't think of a better way to open a dialogue. That said, Shadowfall's SP is absolute dogshit. MP is entertaining though. It's the second best next-gen MP experience, in my opinion, behind BF4, when it isn't broken beyond belief.
BananasWithGuns
Member
Playstation doesn't really have any exclusive pure shooters aside from Killzone do they? They had Resistance but that series seems to be on hiatus.
I would assume that's the biggest reason the Killzone franchise continues on. Playstation only owners don't really have any other options aside from third party games like Call of Duty and Battlefield.
Any port in a storm is probably the best way to describe it. That and Killzone has always been fantastic eye candy.
I would assume that's the biggest reason the Killzone franchise continues on. Playstation only owners don't really have any other options aside from third party games like Call of Duty and Battlefield.
Any port in a storm is probably the best way to describe it. That and Killzone has always been fantastic eye candy.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
The Killzone games look and feel incredible but they don't have you doing anything particularly worthwhile. If they could just ape the formula with a little more of an eye for what works and what doesn't, they'd make me a fan.
It's almost like a parody of video games, in abstract form: the developers spend millions of dollars and man-hours to craft this incredibly astonishing technical and artistic visual masterpiece, and it's called Killzone and it has you doing boring shooting things* for eight hours and then it's done.
Damn lot of potential, but the games just don't interest me outside of a jaw-drop graphical standpoint. (Note: I've only played 1, 2 and 3)
*I'm not saying Killzone should not be a shooter game. Quite the opposite; somehow Killzone manages to make those shooter things boring with repetition, blah level design and dull objectives.
It's almost like a parody of video games, in abstract form: the developers spend millions of dollars and man-hours to craft this incredibly astonishing technical and artistic visual masterpiece, and it's called Killzone and it has you doing boring shooting things* for eight hours and then it's done.
Damn lot of potential, but the games just don't interest me outside of a jaw-drop graphical standpoint. (Note: I've only played 1, 2 and 3)
*I'm not saying Killzone should not be a shooter game. Quite the opposite; somehow Killzone manages to make those shooter things boring with repetition, blah level design and dull objectives.
Please tell me you are fucking joking. If it wasn't for Forza, GT would have never stepped their game up for online play. Forza series has been class with each installment. Forza 4 is filled with ton of quality content and Forza Horizon is a mixture of NFS and Forza. Haven't played F5 yet so can't comment on that but reviews are positive.
Cow Goes Moo
Member
Well evidently it has sold well enough to last that long, with a cult fanbase, so there's that.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
OH COME ON!! You didn't even play it.
Zombie James
Banned
Killzone 2 was great (haven't played the third one or Shadow Fall yet), and I've heard good things about the Vita one.
toastyToast
Member
I still don't get how they haven't come up with a compelling single player campaign yet. The only thing interesting thing they've ever come up with is Visari
Colonel Nasty
Member
What? Forza was the highest rated racing franchise last gen. Even 5 is an incredible racing game. It's just the non game stuff that's bad.
All of this amounts to:
"I don't like this thing and I especially don't like that Sony keeps making this thing I don't like."
Well buddy, they would not be making them if this franchise did not make them money now would they? It is a business.
I agree, the game on a technical level is great.....it feels like they did an amazing job accomplishing what they set out to do but what they set out to do just wasnt that good. If that makes sense.
The team definitely has the potential to make great games, hire a few good writers and level designers.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
It really isn't.
Being the best FPS campaign in years isn't saying much, considering we get crap from the genre on a constant basis.
The SP is solid, and the gameplay has never been better in a KZ campaign. Tons of options at your disposal, more open combat arenas, and they introduce interesting mechanics/gadgets that make the title feel more like the FPS games prior to CoD which I prefer by a longshot.
Outside of very brief sections that were poorly playtested, the game as a whole is awesome. I don't get how people were so frustrated with certain levels, it's almost as if they don't really know how to play the game or just prefer a more linear rollercoaster ride type of FPS.
Don't worry, if KZSF MP numbers are any indication (500-1000 players in the most popular playlist), there won't be another Killzone or the next one will be a pretty drastic change. It's probably the least influential and regarded FPS with a budget and target of that size.
I was hoping Shadow Fall would change my opinion on the series but it just made me dislike it even more. The textbook example of a generic dudebro shooter. Other FPS games try to do something or anything that'll distinguish themselves but Killzone is just a really polished, really average shooter.
Campster described it most accurately:
Killzone is one of the top selling games of the year on Amazon US, and just charted at the number 1 spot in the UK.
Funny how you say other FPS games try and do something different -- uhh, what? Please tell me how CoD and BF are doing something different when Killzone is the only major FPS title that actually is trying something different with its gameplay mechanics.
Your comments suggest to me that you haven't played the game at all.
Uhhh yeah I did. I spent 60 fucking dollars on it.
Half of it is one of the best FPS of the past few years and the other half is just meh. I don't see how people hate it so much unless you're one of the people that doesn't seem to understand how to play it.
PeakPointMatrix
Member
Someone doesnt understand how sales and profit work.