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[georly]

What about Ashei?

So disappointed there just wasn't much to her in TP. I really liked the design and really wanted to see her cut loose.

She's great too. Perfect example. She's a warrior, warriors should wear armor.

Someone who fights using stealth, like a ninja, has no need for heavy armor, as they need mobility. People who fight in ranged combat have no need for heavy armor, as they also need mobility. People who fight with magic can wear whatever the hell they want, since I assume that in a world with magic, certain pieces of clothing can possibly enhance magical ability, so whatever. It's up to the designers to determine what's appropriate, but i'm not going to say 'oh wow, that isn't combat appropriate,' because fighting with magic has no bearing on what they wear, be it a dress, a bikini, battle armor, a tank, whatever.

The designers chose to make shia sexy because sex sells. Is it wrong? Probably, but that's not my call. They made the call that her design would sell more copies than it wouldn't, so they can live with the consequences. Will some people be offended? Obviously. Will a lot of people not care? Yup. Will it sell more copies? Quite possibly.

 

[Mesoian]

She's great too. Perfect example. She's a warrior, warriors should wear armor.

Someone who fights using stealth, like a ninja, has no need for heavy armor, as they need mobility. People who fight in ranged combat have no need for heavy armor, as they also need mobility. People who fight with magic can wear whatever the hell they want, since I assume that in a world with magic, certain pieces of clothing can possibly enhance magical ability, so whatever. It's up to the designers to determine what's appropriate, but i'm not going to say 'oh wow, that isn't combat appropriate,' because fighting with magic has no bearing on what they wear, be it a dress, a bikini, battle armor, a tank, whatever.

The designers chose to make shia sexy because sex sells. Is it wrong? Probably, but that's not my call. They made the call that her design would sell more copies than it wouldn't, so they can live with the consequences. Will some people be offended? Obviously. Will a lot of people not care? Yup. Will it sell more copies? Quite possibly.

TP has so many wasted good character designs.

 

[ArchedThunder]

What about Ashei?

So disappointed there just wasn't much to her in TP. I really liked the design and really wanted to see her cut loose.

She's wearing a metal corset, now THAT'S dumb.

The designers chose to make shia sexy because sex sells. Is it wrong? Probably, but that's not my call. They made the call that her design would sell more copies than it wouldn't, so they can live with the consequences. Will some people be offended? Obviously. Will a lot of people not care? Yup. Will it sell more copies? Quite possibly.

We've seen one sexualized woman and one non-sexualized woman. I highly doubt they designed Shia the way they did to sell more copies of the game.

 

[Opinionatedfish]

You have never played a Musou game I take it.

Nope. I haven't. So, this would all be fresh to me. Judging from the screenshots and that example with the boat.. I think I would like this game. In fighting games and side scrolling fighters, I enjoy beating up multiple things at once. For the record, I like launching enemies in Senran Kagara for the 3DS and my experience with beat-em ups is all SNES/Genesis/NES stuff. Modern 2D games that I like with combo combat are Guacamelee and Astro Boy: Omega Factor.

 

[georly]

TP has so many wasted good character designs.

I loved that bar scene, only to be incredibly disappointed that each character had like, one more line of dialog in the game

 

[E-Cat]

I like to think I know what cottage cheese looks like, but that comment and that image isn't giving me a lot of parallels to work with.

 

[cacildo]

But the really fun part is that

a) Nintendo will get beat up because of the boobs, even if every videogame has more boobs than this
because nintendo always get more heat

b) Nintendo will give up, censor it and write an apology letter
Because since nintendo always get more heat, they wont be able to bear it and will be forced to take action, something no other game with boobs, strippers, sexism has ever needed to do

 

[TreIII]

ahh, true, I totally forgot about them getting wiped out. I think I remember hearing about it. It's been awhile since I read some Zelda lore. And yea it could be the best chance, but we're definitely going to get to see Impa in action :]

Oh, yeah!

I guess my thing is, if they really go full-ham with the idea of a "Hyrule at War", then it would make sense to have more of the different races involved. Not only for the sake of story, but to make things a bit more interesting on the gameplay side, too.

For example, right now we've seen a whole bunch of Bokoblins and Hylian Soldiers on fields. Now, what if perhaps on other levels, you may be joined by armies of Gorons, Zoras, Sheikahs and the like? Not only would it be a nice touch, but it might also mean that if we get to play on the side of evil, we'll have that much more enemy types to slaughter on the side of good besides Hylians!

 

[georly]

She's wearing a metal corset, now THAT'S dumb.

We've seen one sexualized woman and one non-sexualized woman. I highly doubt they designed Shia the way they did to sell more copies of the game.

Isn't any sort of promotion to sell more copies of the game? Promoting a cool shiek redesign sells copies of the games. Promoting a sexy lady with cleavage sells more copies of the game. Promoting cool link redesign with scarf sells more copies of the game. They're trying to broaden the appeal, in theory.

 

[Captain Europe]

Character design in this game just looks beautiful!

 

[Opinionatedfish]

What about Ashei?

So disappointed there just wasn't much to her in TP. I really liked the design and really wanted to see her cut loose.

I commend your use of the Best Pony, I have to completely agree with you on Ashei. Her design is awesome. It would be even more awesome if

Spoiler

her left arm was an interchangeable clockwork.

Imagine all the possibilities!

 

[ArchedThunder]

Oh, yeah!

I guess my thing is, if they really go full-ham with the idea of a "Hyrule at War", then it would make sense to have more of the different races involved. Not only for the sake of story, but to make things a bit more interesting on the gameplay side, too.

For example, right now we've seen a whole bunch of Bokoblins and Hylian Soldiers on fields. Now, what if perhaps on other levels, you may be joined by armies of Gorons, Zoras, Sheikahs and the like? Not only would it be a nice touch, but it might also mean that if we get to play on the side of evil, we'll have that much more enemy types to slaughter on the side of good besides Hylians!

I wonder if you can play as a Goron, a Zora and a Deku if they will take inspiration form Majora's Mask for moves.

 

[Capra]

I'm not female so my feelings aren't as strong about this subject as they could be, but I think the problem is more about having yet another piece of male-targeted media that reuses the ancient trope of the "evil seductress." You can cite Impa as a positive example of female empowerment within the same game and that's totally true (from what we've seen so far), but she also doesn't have the same... assets... that Shia does. I mean obviously there's nothing wrong with having some female characters who flaunt their sexuality and others like Impa, but it's that formula of "female empowerment + sexuality = evil" that makes Shia a potentially offensive character. Because it's such a boring, overdone cliche with obviously misogynistic cultural origins.

At the end of the day I don't really care because it's just Dynasty Warriors' stupidly fun gameplay with a Zelda coat of paint, but I can see why Shia's design and character would offend some people and I do think it's pretty warranted.

 

[Opinionatedfish]

I have never seen cottage cheese like that.

I've only seen it in plastic containers.

I want to eat cottage cheese that looks like that.

 

[Tyeforce]

What's the second area called? Lanayru something? I can't read kanji.

It says "Lanayru Gorge," I believe. Presumably the same area from Skyward Sword.

 

[TreIII]

I wonder if you can play as a Goron, a Zora and a Deku if they will take inspiration form Majora's Mask for moves.

The funny thing is that I could imagine a Zora playing like Chosokabe Motochika from Samurai Warriors, especially if they were styled after Mikau/Zora Link.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

For the record, I agree with your point, but it is funny how Samurai Warriors 3 did have its boxart modified for NA.

European/Japanese box art on the left, NA box art on the right:

they even censored a bit of The Wonderful 101 in NA

hopefully they leave this game alone, I am tired on Zelda needing to be rated T

 

[Gestault]

I have never seen cottage cheese like that.

I've only seen it in plastic containers.

I want to eat cottage cheese that looks like that.

Ditto on all counts

 

[MisterHero]

is it me or did they reduce Impa's height by a foot

her SS design was awesome and now she looks kinda average

 

[GamerSoul]

Oh, yeah!

I guess my thing is, if they really go full-ham with the idea of a "Hyrule at War", then it would make sense to have more of the different races involved. Not only for the sake of story, but to make things a bit more interesting on the gameplay side, too.

For example, right now we've seen a whole bunch of Bokoblins and Hylian Soldiers on fields. Now, what if perhaps on other levels, you may be joined by armies of Gorons, Zoras, Sheikahs and the like? Not only would it be a nice touch, but it might also mean that if we get to play on the side of evil, we'll have that much more enemy types to slaughter on the side of good besides Hylians!

True I agree, a part of me is just wants them to go all out and add some other races because this is a rare chance to play as them. Gorons, Zoras, maybe even a Gerudo, those Twighlight people, etc. IF it really is tied to a certain time period then I will understand if theyre not added but it would be cool anyways.

 

[Principate]

I'm not female so my feelings aren't as strong about this subject as they could be, but I think the problem is more about having yet another piece of male-targeted media that reuses the ancient trope of the "evil seductress." You can cite Impa as a positive example of female empowerment within the same game and that's totally true (from what we've seen so far), but she also doesn't have the same... assets... that Shia does. I mean obviously there's nothing wrong with having some female characters who flaunt their sexuality and others like Impa, but it's that formula of "female empowerment + sexuality = evil" that makes Shia a potentially offensive character. Because it's such a boring, overdone cliche with obviously misogynistic cultural origins.

At the end of the day I don't really care because it's just Dynasty Warriors' stupidly fun gameplay with a Zelda coat of paint, but I can see why Shia's design and character would offend some people and I do think it's pretty warranted.

But the origins for the story state she's being controlled by dark forces rather than this strong sexy character is clearly evil because that's how things go.

I'm not really trying to defend the design but I don't think what we know of the story lends towards that interpretation.

Though I will say that's far from a female exclusive trope. You could say the same for pretty boy male villains that are far equally common in Japanese media.

 

[akidnamededdy]

I'm not female so my feelings aren't as strong about this subject as they could be, but I think the problem is more about having yet another piece of male-targeted media that...

BLAHHHHHH blah blah blah. Don't be a no-fun-guy.

 

[E-Cat]

I have never seen cottage cheese like that.

I've only seen it in plastic containers.

I want to eat cottage cheese that looks like that.

You should travel to Scandinavia.

 

[Kinsei]

they even censored a bit of The Wonderful 101 in NA

hopefully they leave this game alone, I am tired on Zelda needing to be rated T

They also censored some of Bravely Default for North America (and I think Europe).

I may not like Shia's design, but I don't want them to censor it.

 

[cerulily]

Honestly, and this is my perspective as a woman who plays a LOT of games.

I don't mind a game like DOA, because that is what DOA is. Its entire brand is about sexy women in sexy outfits.

Zelda is not that product though. I would say that zelda is a brand that has tonnes of other women who enjoy them, in comparison to other games. Of course zelda has has somewhat sexy-ish designs before. But, the fairies in OoT were somewhat of an anomaly in the series, and have never really been the same since. (that i can recall).

This really sort of feels a bit exploitive, it really has no need to be like this, and the unnaturally large size of her breasts makes it all the stranger. You cannot see her face, her story seems to literally be that she is a jealous woman (seriously stupid trope for an antagonist of any kind) combined with the outfit and body itself just seems so out of place in a brand that has never leveraged this kind of imagery to this degree.

A character like Ashei may have a silly outfit with a metal corset, but she is fully covered and has a not porn-star body type. It is the right kind of silly fantasy armor, the kind that doesn't need to be spot on real, but isn't unnecessarily exploitative of her body.

That's all i have to say about it really. In another game, it would just be another sexy lady. In a zelda game, it is seriously out of place and superfluous.

They also censored some of Bravely Default for North America (and I think Europe).

I may not like Shia's design, but I don't want them to censor it.

Bravely Default is a bit different. Those characters were underage and getting creeped on by over-age dudes. Imagine a television show about a 30 year old guy constantly flirting with a 15 year old highschooler, it would just be uncomfortable and stupid. Just because it's a game doesn't make it less so. The game does not suffer in the slightest for upgrading someone's age a few years and there are no "ideas" or story elements that are actually changed by this. If they literally had to write a different story, i would say it's becoming problematic, but the only difference is that they dialed it back from being gross to being just regular creepy.

 

[Mesoian]

That's all i have to say about it really. In another game, it would just be another sexy lady. In a zelda game, it is seriously out of place and superfluous.

In another game, it would have been out of place and superfluous as well. The point that people are making is that this isn't the first time a sexy woman with a prominent chest has been in a Zelda game. The first page has a bunch of pictures up there. There is an entire race of sexy brown girls that's canon in the Zelda universe. Getting upset about it NOW, with this spinoff made by a different company, is silly.

Bravely Default is a bit different. Those characters were underage and getting creeped on by over-age dudes. Imagine a television show about a 30 year old guy constantly flirting with a 15 year old highschooler, it would just be uncomfortable and stupid. Just because it's a game doesn't make it less so. The game does not suffer in the slightest for upgrading someone's age a few years and there are no "ideas" or story elements that are actually changed by this. If they literally had to write a different story, i would say it's becoming problematic, but the only difference is that they dialed it back from being gross to being just regular creepy.

Eh sort of. Imagine, in your example, the 15 year old, the 30 year old, and the two twenty something year olds are all played by 8 year olds. It was a weird cognitive dissonance thing that a lot of japanese games have. There's a LOOOOOOOOOOOT of weird stuff with sexuality in BD, like so:

 

[cerulily]

In another game, it would have been out of place and superfluous as well. The point that people are making is that this isn't the first time a sexy woman with a prominent chest has been in a Zelda game. The first page has a bunch of pictures up there. There is an entire race of sexy brown girls that's canon in the Zelda universe. Getting upset about it NOW, with this spinoff made by a different company, is silly.

It's hard to say, I have not played any of the portable zelda games outside of the GBA LTTP and 3ds OoT. I never found the "big boobed" characters in TP to be really sexed up, that was just their body type. for the one character, big girls have big breasts that is just how it goes and makes perfect sense, for the other character you barely see her and she is never really shown in an exploitative manner.

I do think there is a lack of actually looking at and evaluating the differences here if you're going to say they are 1 for 1. For the women in OoT and Majora's, i don't have much of an excuse. However, it is clear they are co-oping a cultural image that actually exists. It is hard to argue the point.

What cultural or actually existing image are they possibly invoking with this antagonist?

Again, i want to make it clear, i am not trying to get on some kind of diatribe against the evils of all sex in games, i think there are some products where it works for that brand. I just think there is a clear distinction between this character and ones I personally have seen in the series in the past (i have played every major entry from consoles), i am in no way an uber fan.

To my eyes, this is a character which exists outside of the norm for the series, i doubt it is going to turn out well from any perspective other than those who don't give a shit how other people feel. I think at a certain point, it is silly and pointless to say i am wrong about my personal feelings on the matter, this is the interpretation i have. And, i am a bisexual woman, i don't mind some sexy ladies from time to time, as i said, i just think she feels really out of place from what i come to expect from this particular brand.

 

[spandexmonkey]

This really sort of feels a bit exploitive, it really has no need to be like this, and the unnaturally large size of her breasts makes it all the stranger. You cannot see her face, her story seems to literally be that she is a jealous woman (seriously stupid trope for an antagonist of any kind) combined with the outfit and body itself just seems so out of place in a brand that has never leveraged this kind of imagery to this degree.

A character like Ashei may have a silly outfit with a metal corset, but she is fully covered and has a not porn-star body type. It is the right kind of silly fantasy armor, the kind that doesn't need to be spot on real, but isn't unnecessarily exploitative of her body.

Large breasted/curvy women are unnatural and/or porn stars?

 

[Akiller]

Most people expect a witch to look like this though:

Nintendo will make them think again

 

[Astral Dog]

Shia design is bad

I dont like slutty characters in my games :/

 

[soultron]

Character designs being one thing... but those environments are hideous. It's probably due in part to the environments needing to be huge (Warriors games tend to have large scale spaces) but yikes at all of those muddy repeating textures.

Interested to see if this game turns out to be better than the average Warriors game. I'm a bit burned out on the Warriors franchise(s) at this point.

 

[Loco4Coco]

I still think Shia's breast are not as big as people make em out to be. I think it's fine, could be worse.

 

[Piers]

Shia design is bad

I dont like slutty characters in my games :/

Excuse me??

 

[Principate]

Shia design is bad

I dont like slutty characters in my games :/

Dat avatar....

 

[DeaviL]

Shia design is bad

I dont like slutty characters in my games :/

Nintendo will make them think again

.

 

[Mesoian]

It's hard to say, I have not played any of the portable zelda games outside of the GBA LTTP and 3ds OoT. I never found the "big boobed" characters in TP to be really sexed up, that was just their body type. for the one character, big girls have big breasts that is just how it goes and makes perfect sense, for the other character you barely see her and she is never really shown in an exploitative manner.

I do think there is a lack of actually looking at and evaluating the differences here if you're going to say they are 1 for 1. For the women in OoT and Majora's, i don't have much of an excuse. However, it is clear they are co-oping a cultural image that actually exists. It is hard to argue the point.

Girls have boobs. Most girls like their boobs. ::Shrugs:: While I don't think this design is the best and plays up the whole..."LOOK AT THE BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBS" aspect too much, there's nothing wrong with this outfit. So don't worry too much about it. It's too early to make the statement that Shia is defined by her chest. We know next to nothing about her.

What cultural or actually existing image are they possibly invoking with this antagonist?

Poes, it seems. Or maybe the bird boss from WW. Those are the two sources we've discussed here.

Shia design is bad

I dont like slutty characters in my games :/

Oh you.

 

[MoogleWizard]

Link looks like Samus in a Link costume, way too girly. Impa looks great, the rest looks like scrapped FF or Monster Hunter designs. Doesn't really look like Zelda imo.

As for the boobies, there's been plenty big boobies in past Zelda games, just never in HD. The Gerudos, Impa and the fairies had big guns and cleavage in many games. It's not something new for the series.

 

[zhorkat]

I'm going to laugh if it turns out that Shia normally has a different outfit and that she only dons the more revealing outfit when she turns evil.

 

[Kyzon]

It's hard to say, I have not played any of the portable zelda games outside of the GBA LTTP and 3ds OoT. I never found the "big boobed" characters in TP to be really sexed up, that was just their body type. for the one character, big girls have big breasts that is just how it goes and makes perfect sense, for the other character you barely see her and she is never really shown in an exploitative manner.

I do think there is a lack of actually looking at and evaluating the differences here if you're going to say they are 1 for 1. For the women in OoT and Majora's, i don't have much of an excuse. However, it is clear they are co-oping a cultural image that actually exists. It is hard to argue the point.

What cultural or actually existing image are they possibly invoking with this antagonist?

While I understand where you're coming from, I'd like to argue that this isn't the first time that there were extra sexual characters in Zelda. Not even the first overly sexual female villain. You haven't played the GBC games, so without really spoiling it, the main character, Veran, in one of them dresses skimpy just like Shia. You did play OoT though, and therefore saw Twinrova, and all other Gerudo girls. The Gerudo all wear less, and that's just a part of their culture. Shia is a witch who has a seductive personality. Her outfit is less about protecting her, and more about providing her enemies a distraction. Exploiting a weakness they may have.

Going by the translation of her character bio as well, she just has a huge crush on Link, and is jealous of Zelda. That doesn't seem to be the reason she wants to rule the world though, so I'd state that Link is a non-matter in that issue.


Kidnapping out of jealousy is shitty though. Very shitty, and shallow lol.

 

[Yarbskoo]

In another game, it would just be another sexy lady. In a zelda game, it is seriously out of place and superfluous.

I dunno, to me it doesn't really seem that out of place. Characters that could possibly fall into the same category include that Queen Zora from Link Between Worlds, Nabooru, Ruto, Impa and Twinrova from Ocarina of Time, as well as all the ones discussed already like Veran and Telma. I haven't seen any official art of the dancers from Majora's Mask, but they might fall into this category as well. I really need to dig into that Hyrule Historia and see what else I can find.

EDIT: You also have to consider that this isn't just a normal Zelda game, and that there's a lot of influences here that come from outside the main The Legend of Zelda series.

 

[cerulily]

Large breasted/curvy women are unnatural and/or porn stars?

Excuse me, i never ever said that. Please don't put words in my mouth. I have curvy friends, i am insanely jealous of some of my better endowed friends.

However, this character's body type is highly outside of the norm for most women, C cups are the average for north american women who are part of a culture that is not generally considered physically active, which tells me that this woman is way outside the norm for physically inactive skinny women.

There is nothing wrong with being curvy or naturally having large breasts, however there is something wrong with a character who is a copy paste from any number of equally over-endowed and underclothed characters with little justification for her body. Since when has large breasts and no clothing been the only defining element of a sexually active woman? I promise you, we can be just as sultry and exploitative with plenty of clothing on.

On that point, she is not an individual with her own thoughts and ideas, she is a creation, a doll to be molded as her creator sees fit. Her body type says nothing about herself and only speaks to the aesthetic desires of her creators, which is to be taken in account when you start trying to compare a videogame character to real people.

 

[wildfire]

Uh oh, this might be the worst selling Zelda game based on that chart!

You sir, have a future at Polygon.

 

[Principate]

It's hard to say, I have not played any of the portable zelda games outside of the GBA LTTP and 3ds OoT. I never found the "big boobed" characters in TP to be really sexed up, that was just their body type. for the one character, big girls have big breasts that is just how it goes and makes perfect sense, for the other character you barely see her and she is never really shown in an exploitative manner.

I do think there is a lack of actually looking at and evaluating the differences here if you're going to say they are 1 for 1. For the women in OoT and Majora's, i don't have much of an excuse. However, it is clear they are co-oping a cultural image that actually exists. It is hard to argue the point.

What cultural or actually existing image are they possibly invoking with this antagonist?

Again, i want to make it clear, i am not trying to get on some kind of diatribe against the evils of all sex in games, i think there are some products where it works for that brand. I just think there is a clear distinction between this character and ones I personally have seen in the series in the past (i have played every major entry from consoles), i am in no way an uber fan.

To my eyes, this is a character which exists outside of the norm for the series, i doubt it is going to turn out well from any perspective other than those who don't give a shit how other people feel. I think at a certain point, it is silly and pointless to say i am wrong about my personal feelings on the matter, this is the interpretation i have. And, i am a bisexual woman, i don't mind some sexy ladies from time to time, as i said, i just think she feels really out of place from what i come to expect from this particular brand.

What cultural image are they co-opting here? Just find it difficult to call this game out while ignoring what happened in OoT.

 

[bobbychalkers]

they even censored a bit of The Wonderful 101 in NA

hopefully they leave this game alone, I am tired on Zelda needing to be rated T

W101 didn't have any visual censors, some lines of dialogue were changed but that comes with localization. And really this game would have no problem getting a T rating, Shia is wearing a skimpy outfit but there have been more extreme outfits with characters in other T rated games.

 

[Akiller]

Shia design is bad

I dont like slutty characters in my games :/

I am not going to avatar quote you.

I'll gif quote you instead

 

[Mesoian]

Excuse me, i never ever said that. Please don't put words in my mouth. I have curvy friends, i am insanely jealous of some of my better endowed friends.

However, this character's body type is highly outside of the norm for most women, C cups are the average for north american women who are part of a culture that is not generally considered physically active, which tells me that this woman is way outside the norm for physically inactive skinny women.

There is nothing wrong with being curvy or naturally having large breasts, however there is something wrong with a character who is a copy paste from any number of equally over-endowed and underclothed characters with little justification for her body.

On that point, she is not an individual with her own thoughts and ideas, she is a creation, a doll to be molded as her creator sees fit. Her body type says nothing about herself and only speaks to the aesthetic desires of her creators, which is to be taken in account when you start trying to compare a videogame character to real people.

Exactly. So complaining about her before we know anything about her beyond a hastily translated blurb taken from a website is silly.

I'm glad we agree.

W101 didn't have any visual censors, some lines of dialogue were changed but that comes with localization. And really this game would have no problem getting a T rating, Shia is wearing a skimpy outfit but there have been more extreme outfits with characters in other T rated games.

X-Blades was T, and had a preteen girl in a t-back running around killing zombies in crypts.

 

[KHlover]

Yeah, it's not uncommon for a woman who wields magic to wear stuff like that in pop culture. Not great, but it's all over the place:



Most people expect a witch to look like this though:

Most people should go back to the source material then, witches do appear in any form they think is conveniant for them and "beautiful young girl" is used to lure in unsuspecting people almost as often as "old hag".

Of course in this case it's completely unrelated. Shia wasn't originally a witch, she's just a young lady whose soul was stolen, subsequently turned into a witch by the dark forces that corrupted her. Hence she appears as a beautiful young lady - because she still is young and beautiful.

 

[Punchy4486]

...a character who is a copy paste from any number of equally over-endowed and underclothed characters with little justification for her body...

...Her body type says nothing about herself and only speaks to the aesthetic desires of her creators.

You don't know that.

 

[ironcreed]

Shia design is bad

I dont like slutty characters in my games :/

Come again?

 

[georly]

Large breasted/curvy women are unnatural and/or porn stars?

That opinion is just as bad. I guess the argument is that having a woman expose that much of her self can make some people uncomfortable, and that's bad. But not doing something because it makes people uncomfortable might as well be a form of censorship. They're allowed to do whatever they want, and if it TRULY IS BAD, people are allowed to vote with their wallets and just not buy the game. If it's that big of a deal, don't buy it. That's my feeling on all of these 'controversies,' but i'm also not a woman, and I can't possibly understand how they feel. :/ I see how possibly adding such stereotypes can possibly make them feel excluded, and no one wants to feel that way, but it's also nintendo's choice to live with those consequences.