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[ShockingAlberto]

im more annoyed by how a bulk of the characters don't have anything to do with overwatch or talon.

Well Overwatch isn't really a thing anymore. It's just a file of older people Winston keeps and some new heroes that would totally be in it if it still existed.

D.Va is an Eva pilot in Tokyo 3 a mech pilot for her country. She would probably be in Overwatch proper if it still existed.

 

[Grisby]

Reaper has enough darkness in him for two or three villains IMO.

What? Mei is definitely a villain.

Boooooo.

 

[Phrozenflame500]

and my point is there aren't alot of "heroes" as well.

Characters who are heros:
Genji
McCree
Pharah
Solly 76
Tracer
Bastion
Mei
Torbjorn
D.Va
Reinhardt
Winston
Zarya
Ana
Mercy
Lucio
Zenyatta

Only six characters out of I think 22 can be clearly said to be "not heros"
You could maybe add an asterisk to Zarya/Torb for being robo-racist, but they're still clearly fighting for the heroic side.

 

[Ophelion]

I disagree OP.

there are more like benevolent good heroes, heroes that are just in the Grey area where they aren't necessarily benevolent good heroes and not necessarily evil, and then you have some evil characters.

I'd actually wager there are less benevolent do gooder heroes than there are heroes in the grey area.

It's very true based on digging into it with that Overwatch Lore thread. However, because all the characters are DreamWorks levels of bubbly, the morally dubious heroes just seem like heroes without reading into things. Their design and personality don't frequently communicate conflicting morals or complication. Which is fine and would be kind of a cool contrast in a more story-oriented game. Without it, it mostly just gets lost.

Mercy is guilty of mad science experiments that have produced monsters.

Mei is not nearly as innocent as her dialog would lead you to believe.

I doubt I would've gotten that Symmetra isn't that pristine either.

Of all the heroes, I think the only ones without stains on their souls are probably the dynamic duo of Winston and Tracer.

But you'd never know it just from the game.

 

[Goodstyle]

Zaraya is a good guy but super racist (against robots).

Roadhog is a Purity First member.

Widowmaker and Reaper are traditional villains.

Some of Hanzo's lines indicate he's neutral at best, veering toward bad at worst.

Symmetra's country is actively trying to oppress Lucio's and she's all for it.

Need more of those... and criminals like Junkrat/Roadhog. The others you listed are too... grey.

 

[Loxley]

I demand more bad guys dressed in black, preferably with copious amounts of spikes, chainz, and skulls.

 

[papertoonz]

Zarya is anti-omnic
Junk-Rat is a criminal
Roadhog is a criminal
Reaper straight up edgelord
Symmetra is anti-omnic
Hanzo is a member of a crime family
widowmaker is brainwashed evil

Pretty decent.

didn't hanzo leave the Shimada Clan after the fight he had with genji

 

[Azoor]

Remember that more heroes are coming to Overwatch in the long run.

 

[capitalCORN]

It's a popular game, I agree.

I'm saying Overwatch is getting more than it's share of criticism because of what? Other multiplayer only games don't receive this kind of scrutiny. No one bats and eyelash when 'hot new game' features nothing but white (or whitewashed), bland protagonists. This game somehow has been chosen as a gamer wide pinata for some inexplicable reason.

 

[shoreu]

Zarya is anti-omnic
Junk-Rat is a criminal
Roadhog is a criminal
Reaper straight up edgelord
Symmetra is anti-omnic
Hanzo is a member of a crime family
widowmaker is brainwashed evil

Pretty decent.

Torb is anti omnic that doesn't make you evil.

And hanzo left his family

 

[Ophelion]

Surely at some point, we'll get Doomfist, right?

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Need more of those... and criminals like Junkrat/Roadhog. The others you listed are too... grey.

I like the grey ones.

It makes more sense than Winston and Ow The Edgehog teaming up to fight Zenyatta and Tracer.

 

[Gnome Scat]

They don't have too many villains but there are definitely grey area characters like Hanzo.

 

[KZXcellent]

Zarya is anti-omnic
Junk-Rat is a criminal
Roadhog is a criminal
Reaper straight up edgelord
Symmetra is anti-omnic
Hanzo is a member of a crime family
widowmaker is brainwashed evil

Pretty decent.

Being anti-omnic doesn't make you evil. Hanzo is no longer following his family business.

Symmetra is evil because she works for an evil corporation. She's basically the evil character who's desperate to create a world of Absolute Order.

 

[capitalCORN]

It's a popular game, I agree.

A lot of them, it's just that you love this game and feel like any thread criticizing the title is offensive to you / bothers you in some weird way


the topic is actually a good one

Street Fighter V, easily.

Pokemon Go

Really, each of those games may face one moral quandary that Overwatch received. If you're going to act like this game somehow doesn't catch the 'moral' outrage of all these games combined, I'd like to see links. And page views as well.

 

[wwm0nkey]

I'll admit it, OP got me good <3

Game needs its own "Dio" or someone though. Villains with a sense of humor not jokes themselves) would be cool too (or I guess more of them?).

Fuck it, just add Dio so I can throw knifes at people and shout "Za Warudo!"

 

[wamberz1]

I agree op, I love me some villains.

I feel like this is a problem SF5 faces as well. I'm blad we're getting urien and juri soon.

Zaraya is a good guy but super racist (against robots).

Roadhog is a Purity First member.

Widowmaker and Reaper are traditional villains.

Some of Hanzo's lines indicate he's neutral at best, veering toward bad at worst.

Symmetra's country is actively trying to oppress Lucio's and she's all for it.

So is torb

 

[BannedEpisode]

Being anti-omnic doesn't make you evil. Hanzo is no longer following his family business.

Symmetra is evil because she works for an evil corporation. She's basically the evil character who's desperate to create a world of Absolute Order.

I'm not saying they are evil, just pointing out that not everyone on the cast is a straight laced goody two shoes.

I actually think roadhog and junkrat seem like okay guys at heart. I might just be a sucker for the goofy outside the law archetypes though.

 

[Chuck]

Reaper, Widowmaker, Roadhog and Junkrat.

Hey! Don't you put them in the bad guy camp. They're rogue! And answer to no one, especially those omnics...

 

[Lavalamp1138]

Torb is anti-omnic? Pretty funny considering he's practically in love with his turret.

 

[Leunam]

Are Roadhog and Junkrat just part of the universe and opposed to Overwatch or are they recruited by the team despite being criminals?

 

[Ophelion]

They don't have too many villains but there are definitely grey area characters like Hanzo.

It's kind of interesting that, looking at the lore, Genji is probably closer to "good" than Hanzo is. Just looking at the characters, I totally would've thought it would be the other way around.

 

[PdotMichael]

Well, the characters are forced to operate in six members large groups somehow.

 

[Apathy]

What? Mei is definitely a villain.

Agreed

 

[Enforcer]

I vote for an evil animal character, and I want a Velociraptor with shoulder mounted machine guns.

I have only a passing interest in Overwatch (haven't actually played it yet, but will get around to it eventually), but I would play the crap out of any game that allowed me to be this character.

 

[Warnen]

thought this topic was going to be about the limited amount of maps...

 

[Ophelion]

Torb is anti-omnic? Pretty funny considering he's practically in love with his turret.

Lots of people who hate wolves love their dogs.

 

[Sou Da]

Why does everyone call Roadhog evil? That man is a gentle soul that found his land after his government sold their people out to robots.

Shit happened and dude lost his mind, he never asked for this

 

[Mass One]

Doomfist is a generational character that takes up the gauntlet. Given the hints on the Numbani map "The Successor" would be the current Doomfist and is probably Omnic.

Ooooh. That's my diversity. A Omnic character who isn't F-Tier.

 

[KZXcellent]

I think it's perfectly reasonable for these characters to be against Omnic. In the game's lore the Omnic waged war with humans 30 years ago and were defeated by Overwatch and the military. Even in the story now there is another conflict with Omnic being waged in Russia while the non-autonomous Omnic are trying to be treated as equals and live in peace. It makes sense for people to be anti-Omnic and not be "villains"

 

[Sou Da]

Ooooh. That's my diversity. A Omnic character who isn't F-Tier.

Post buff Racecar Zenyatta?

 

[Data West]

Ana not being an evil support character felt like a real copout

 

[Siphorus]

Characters who are heros:
Genji
McCree
Pharah
Solly 76
Tracer
Bastion
Mei
Torbjorn
D.Va
Reinhardt
Winston
Zarya
Ana
Mercy
Lucio
Zenyatta

Only six characters out of I think 22 can be clearly said to be "not heros"
You could maybe add an asterisk to Zarya/Torb for being robo-racist, but they're still clearly fighting for the heroic side.

I would personally take Mercy off that list. From what I understand she put Genji back in his current state without his consent, and made reaper into what he is.
At the start of the game Reaper will sometimes respond to mercy: "You knew exactly what you were doing".

But she's more of a "do good at any cost" character rather than true good.

 

[PhilipDoesMatter]

I thought it was diversity of modes

 

[Mass One]

Post buff Racecar Zenyatta?

That's like strapping a rocket engine to a dumpster fire. Fast Trash

 

[capitalCORN]

Why does everyone call Roadhog evil? That man is a gentle soul that found his land after his government sold their people out to robots.

Shit happened and dude lost his mind, he never asked for this

Just ask the long procession of South American environmental/native activist who where 'disposed' for their message!

 

[Phrozenflame500]

From what I understand she put Genji back in his current state without his consent,

Wasn't he like literally dead (or near enough to it)? I admittedly haven't brushed up much on my Overwatch lore but it doesn't seem like Genji had much of a choice in the matter. And while I recall he had some trouble being a cyborg he doesn't seem to prefer being dead.

And I'm not sure there's enough information on the reaper situation to make a judgement call on whether that was actually a malicious act.

 

[LambdaTeos]

Really, each of those games may face one moral quandary that Overwatch received. If you're going to act like this game somehow doesn't catch the 'moral' outrage of all these games combined, I'd like to see links. And page views as well.

Search for Fire emblem fates (same sex relationships, censorship, localization)
Search for Tokyo Mirage Sessions (main audience, censorship)
Search for Street Fighter V (not enough content, expensive AF, online issues)

Games are gonna be criticized, get over it man ad let people with genuine questions establish a debate

 

[I-hate-u]

I would personally take Mercy off that list. From what I understand she put Genji back in his current state without his consent, and made reaper into what he is.
At the start of the game Reaper will sometimes respond to mercy: "You knew exactly what you were doing".

But she's more of a "do good at any cost" character rather than true good.

She is evil and not to mention, not a human.

 

[Eumi]

For me I just want the villain. There's no actual central evil and it kinda feels lacking. Reaper feels more like a henchman, and widowmaker is mind controlled. We need a goddamn moustache twirling maniacal laughing super villain.

 

[InsaneTiger]

Not the diversity I expected to be discussed.

This. What a weird complaint.

 

[capitalCORN]

Search for Fire emblem fates (same sex relationships, censorship, localization)
Search for Tokyo Mirage Sessions (main audience, censorship)
Search for Street Fighter V (not enough content, expensive AF, online issues)

Games are gonna be criticized, get over it man ad let people with genuine questions establish a debate

I did mention moral outrage... I don't do this because of blind 'love' for the game. I'm establishing a pattern.

 

[Plum]

Torb is anti-omnic? Pretty funny considering he's practically in love with his turret.

He's fine with machines with no sentience, he just really hates any that have it. He hates being in the Numbani map, an Omnics paradise, for example.

He's basically what you'd get if you mixed a racist, a Luddite and Gimli.

 

[darkwing-buck]

Mercy is a villain?!

 

[Sou Da]

That's like strapping a rocket engine to a dumpster fire. Fast Trash

He's got a health buff and discord and harmony orbs are instant. He's good now m8

 

[Fixed2BeBroken]

Characters who are heros:
Genji
McCree
Pharah
Solly 76
Tracer
Bastion
Mei
Torbjorn
D.Va
Reinhardt
Winston
Zarya
Ana
Mercy
Lucio
Zenyatta

Only six characters out of I think 22 can be clearly said to be "not heros"
You could maybe add an asterisk to Zarya/Torb for being robo-racist, but they're still clearly fighting for the heroic side.

you're wrong. All of those people you listed are not the "Benevolent Do gooder heroes" the majority of them are in the grey area.

 

[Chobel]

Not the diversity I expected to be discussed.

.

 

[Raging Spaniard]

no matter how you try to spin this, it sounds like you didn't read the OP

Lol except I totally did

 

[MadLaughter]

Is there more specific lore regarding Zarya?

 

[Maligna]

Evil girls are the best and there aren't enough of them in most games. I'd love to use WidowMaker but I suck at sniping.