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[Battersea Power Station]

I hated this game at first -- didn't see anything even slightly compelling about it, unless you got a kick out of seeing video game icons duke it out in a cartoony manner.

That all changed a few months ago when I started to hang around some good players and eventually looked up some tournament videos online. I did a complete one-eighty with this game. I think it's probably one of the deepest games created, and one that allows for such free and creative competition that I've not yet seen in head-to-head games.

The problem is I've never really gotten into fighters, although I've admired them from afar, so I lack some of the experience-based habits that many fans have had for years. I'm slowly starting to get the hang of it, but I'm at a loss as to what I should work on.

When SSB Brawl hits, I don't want to be left out of the fun. It's going to be pure pandemoneum between the serious players and missing out would seem like a waste. I really want to get good before it launches and maybe someone can help me.

I don't suck at video games (and I'm pretty good at some other skill-based games) so I think there's hope for me.

What I'd like is someone to maybe give me some ideas about how I should start, what kind of fights I should try (e.g. is slow motion good for anything?), what techniques I should focus on at first and after I master those which moves should I add into my reportoir... you know, a coach.

If anyone takes up the job, you'll get no money from me. But, hey, you can take is a challenge to your understanding of the game and how well you can relay it to other people. And you'll feel good about yourself at the end. Eh? Eh?

 

[Zombie James]

That all changed a few months ago when I started to hang around some good players and eventually looked up some tournament videos online.

SSB has tournaments? How often do elementary schools hold them?

 

[Oblivion]

SSB has tournaments? How often do elementary schools hold them?

NINTENDO'S FOR KIDS LOL GET IT

 

[iceDragon7]

There are really only 2 buttons you use in the whole game. Special and basic attacks. Its not hard really just learn to use a character you like or really good with.

 

[AdmiralViscen]

There are really only 2 buttons you use in the whole game. Special and basic attacks. Its not hard really just learn to use a character you like or really good with.

You obviously don't know shit about competitive Smash.

 

[mugwhump]

SSB has tournaments? How often do elementary schools hold them?

You are bad nipples.

 

[Joe Molotov]

There are really only 2 buttons you use in the whole game. Special and basic attacks. Its not hard really just learn to use a character you like or really good with.

That might be enough to double your surival time from 10 seconds to 20.

 

[ant1532]

http://www.smashboards.com

 

[iceDragon7]

You obviously don't know shit about competitive Smash.

You obviously don't know shit about what I was trying to get through to him. Now am I right or am I wrong that their are basically only 2 buttons needed to fight. Since you can do a smash attack with the joystick + A and jump by pressing Up on the joystick.

 

[ant1532]

You obviously don't know shit about what I was trying to get through to him. Now am I right or am I wrong that their are basically only 2 buttons needed to fight. Since you can do a smash attack with the joystick + A and jump by pressing Up on the joystick.

your wrong. theres so much you dont know

 

[mug]

Just keep playing multiplayer using the same character, you'll get better eventually.

 

[AdmiralViscen]

You obviously don't know shit about what I was trying to get through to him. Now am I right or am I wrong that their are basically only 2 buttons needed to fight. Since you can do a smash attack with the joystick + A and jump by pressing Up on the joystick.

How about wavedashing? Tell me about that.

 

[Icicle]

You can't wavedash with only A+B.

Phail.

 

[GaimeGuy]

You obviously don't know shit about what I was trying to get through to him. Now am I right or am I wrong that their are basically only 2 buttons needed to fight. Since you can do a smash attack with the joystick + A and jump by pressing Up on the joystick.

Heheheh

 

[Battersea Power Station]

You obviously don't know shit about what I was trying to get through to him. Now am I right or am I wrong that their are basically only 2 buttons needed to fight. Since you can do a smash attack with the joystick + A and jump by pressing Up on the joystick.

That's why I like it -- it's extremely simple. But by being so simple it's also incredibly complex. I need to learn some techniques like when would you use a certain attack, what are some common ways to close the distance between you and the opponent, etc., etc.

 

[Joe Molotov]

You obviously don't know shit about what I was trying to get through to him. Now am I right or am I wrong that their are basically only 2 buttons needed to fight. Since you can do a smash attack with the joystick + A and jump by pressing Up on the joystick.

That's like saying there's only one button you need to know about on a gun, the trigger. Now, you've recieved your military training, get out there onto the front lines and engage the enemy!!

 

[Adagio]

Fight better players.

You're not going to get better by reading words.

 

[AdmiralViscen]

Oh, and for the topic creator:

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=516492&topic=22412185
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=516492&topic=23469883

Huge resource, despite its location.

 

[iceDragon7]

Ok you guys proved me wrong but I those ARE basically the main buttons. As for this wave dash is new to me, never heard of it. Please fill me in on that. I also use the c-stick for a quick smash when needed or R trigger+A to grab my opponent rather than using the Z trigger. Or doding witht he Right trigger as well are very important to becoming a better fighter in smash. But I'm no smash noob thats for sure so don't say I don't know shit about competitive smash.

Edit - and learn to fight without items.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Ok you guys proved me wrong but I those ARE basically the main buttons. As for this wave dash is new to me, never heard of it. Please fill me in on that. I also use the c-stick for a quick smash when needed or R trigger+A to grab my opponent rather than using the Z trigger. Or doding witht he Right trigger as well are very important to becoming a better fighter in smash. But I'm no smash noob thats for sure so don't say I don't know shit about competitive smash.

Yes, you are a newbie.

 

[AdmiralViscen]

Ok you guys proved me wrong but I those ARE basically the main buttons. As for this wave dash is new to me, never heard of it. Please fill me in on that. I also use the c-stick for a quick smash when needed or R trigger+A to grab my opponent rather than using the Z trigger. Or doding witht he Right trigger as well are very important to becoming a better fighter in smash. But I'm no smash noob thats for sure so don't say I don't know shit about competitive smash.

You obviously don't know shit about competitive Smash.

You've only made my first post more accurate. Watch some competitive videos on youtube, because your lame ass C-stick moves and grabs aren't even scratching the surface of the techniques used in competitive Smash.

See the links I posted above for definitions of terms.

 

[ant1532]

Ok you guys proved me wrong but I those ARE basically the main buttons. As for this wave dash is new to me, never heard of it. Please fill me in on that. I also use the c-stick for a quick smash when needed or R trigger+A to grab my opponent rather than using the Z trigger. Or doding witht he Right trigger as well are very important to becoming a better fighter in smash. But I'm no smash noob thats for sure so don't say I don't know shit about competitive smash.

Edit - and learn to fight without items.

no offence and i hate this fucking word

but your a newbie

visit smashboards.com and read up

 

[Icicle]

A prerequisite for competitive smash is knowing how to wavedash flawlessly, yet you've never heard of it?

Please tell me you can at least L-cancel.

 

[iceDragon7]

:lol Are you guys serious. Don't get the impression that I'm trying to troll on SSB but I already know most of what was listed in your "SSB dictionary" I'm just sorry for not knowing about the 'wavedash' -_-

 

[Battersea Power Station]

Fight better players.

You're not going to get better by reading words.

Of course -- I'm not looking for explanations. I know that this is one of the things that can only be learned from experience. But just like in sports, a coach or an experienced player can tell you what you should focus on when practicing and generally point you in the right direction.

 

[Son of Godzilla]

It's a shame SSBB won't use the remote. Then people could go on about how pro they are with their Wave-Wiggling and Wax-On-Wax-Off Cancels, and Fidgit Recoveries.

 

[iceDragon7]

edit, oops

 

[Joe Molotov]

But I'm no smash noob thats for sure so don't say I don't know shit about competitive smash.

I've had the game since Day 1 and have put over 600 hours into it, but I still know pretty much nothing about tournament style Smash. I played with friends, and we never really got into the Wavedashing, L-Cancelling, Spiking and all the advanced tactics until we'd had it for a long time. I'm not very good at it still, and I know I'd get toasted in a no time in a real tournament.

 

[AdmiralViscen]

Are you serious? Go watch some videos. Your little post about your pro moves (OMG using the C-stick, and grabbing with R+A!) really show your ignorance on the subject.

No one's accusing you of trolling, just of speaking of things you know nothing about.

 

[CB3]

:lol :lol :lol This reminds me of when someone enters the NFL/NBA threads and just gets SERVED cause they said something wrong :lol

 

[ant1532]

:lol Are you guys serious. Don't get the impression that I'm trying to troll on SSB but I already know most of what was listed in your "SSB dictionary" I'm just sorry for not knowing about the 'wavedash' -_-

but your saying smash is just the A and B button and saying that your not a noob, yet u are.

not even knowing what a wavedash is, makes you a noob, since you dont know any advanced techniques.(wavedash, l cancel, ect)

 

[iceDragon7]

I've had the game since Day 1 and have put over 600 hours into it, but I still know pretty much nothing about tournament style Smash. I played with friends, and we never really got into the Wavedashing, L-Cancelling, Spiking and all the advanced tactics until we'd had it for a long time. I'm not very good at it still, and I know I'd get toasted in a no time in a real tournament.

Oh yeah I know I'll get served but I'll use everything I know in the game to at least stand a chance against any opponent. Heck just yesterday I got beat by a pretty good Marth player but I at least left him with 1 stock left. (its been years since I played the game btw)

 

[GaimeGuy]

Oh yeah I know I'll get served but I'll use everything I know in the game to at least stand a chance against any opponent. Heck just yesterday I got beat by a pretty good Marth player but I at least left him with 1 stock left. (its been years since I played the game btw)

Dude, there is no shame in admitting that you are not that good at smash. Stop damage controlling. :lol

Who knows? Maybe you are pretty good at the non-advanced techniques.

But simply being good at the non-advanced techniques and average with the advanced techniques will allow you to school someone who is good at the beginner techs, so you're not that good.

 

[Icicle]

Get Ken, Isai, or Azen down to one life and then people will take you seriously.

 

[Crocodile]

I hated this game at first -- didn't see anything even slightly compelling about it, unless you got a kick out of seeing video game icons duke it out in a cartoony manner.

That all changed a few months ago when I started to hang around some good players and eventually looked up some tournament videos online. I did a complete one-eighty with this game. I think it's probably one of the deepest games created, and one that allows for such free and creative competition that I've not yet seen in head-to-head games.

The problem is I've never really gotten into fighters, although I've admired them from afar, so I lack some of the experience-based habits that many fans have had for years. I'm slowly starting to get the hang of it, but I'm at a loss as to what I should work on.

When SSB Brawl hits, I don't want to be left out of the fun. It's going to be pure pandemoneum between the serious players and missing out would seem like a waste. I really want to get good before it launches and maybe someone can help me.

I don't suck at video games (and I'm pretty good at some other skill-based games) so I think there's hope for me.

What I'd like is someone to maybe give me some ideas about how I should start, what kind of fights I should try (e.g. is slow motion good for anything?), what techniques I should focus on at first and after I master those which moves should I add into my reportoir... you know, a coach.

If anyone takes up the job, you'll get no money from me. But, hey, you can take is a challenge to your understanding of the game and how well you can relay it to other people. And you'll feel good about yourself at the end. Eh? Eh?

While this is all a nice idea, who knows how the mechanics of the game may change in Brawl. Melee added TONS of stuff to the metagame from the original game and while I don't expect Brawl to be as large a leap, I suspect not all the old strategies will work or work in the same way and new ones will have to be made. That and characters are likely to undergo balance tweaks. I'd be damn shocked if Marth, Peach, Shiek and Fox didn't get hit with the nerf bat pretty hard in Brawl. As long as you're there as Brawl launches and keep up, you'll probably get up to ball with everyone else as I expect a learning/transition period from Melee to Brawl fo everybody as they come to grips with additions, changes and new characters.

It's a shame SSBB won't use the remote. Then people could go on about how pro they are with their Wave-Wiggling and Wax-On-Wax-Off Cancels, and Fidgit Recoveries.

:lol :lol :lol

 

[Ristamar]

As an aside, do you guys use R+A to grab? I always stick to Z. Seems quicker, IMO.

NOTE - Though I know of wavedashing and other "advanced" techniques, I'm only a casual player.

 

[Zeed]

Get Ken, Isai, or Azen down to one life and then people will take you seriously.

This punk probably dosen't even know who they are. What a disgrace to Smash.

I also am a casual, but even if I can't perform them, at least I know of and respect competitive techniques and players.

 

[Joe Molotov]

This punk probably dosen't even know who they are. What a disgrace to Smash.

Come on, let's not get too crazy here, people. :lol

 

[IAmtheFMan]

To the original poster:

Like all fighting games, just get the basics down first, make sure you're comfortable with whatever characters you like and then move on to the more advanced techniques like wave dashing etc. The thing with Melee is that there is a great deal of depth that is there, and so learning the complete intricacies of it will take some time...

I definitely don't play melee as hardcore as I did with the 64 version, but I probably have more fun with Melee. It got to the point in the 64 version that my friends and I were essentially masters at edge guarding (Ness and Mario's in-air instant down-A, Kirby's up-B... basically stuff they eliminated in Melee :lol) and it wasn't as much fun anymore. Thankfully, IMO, Melee provided much more variety.

 

[Beezy]

This punk probably dosen't even know who they are. What a disgrace to Smash.

:/

 

[CB3]

few of you guys are getting just a TAD too hardcore here. You would think Ice just talked bad about your mothers

 

[Dr.Hadji]

Smash is all about defining space. You strengthen your game by maintaining control over your space. You weaken your opponent's game by breaking down their control over space. Thats it, thats the whole game. Its simple but some people tend to look over this fact far too often.

I see far too many new comers getting caught up in the tecnical side of smash. Sure you can move like the wind but why are you doing all those facy things? I see far too many people who can do %70 combos but can never land them because they can't negotiate the space well enough to land them. I see far too many people playing on the assumption that their borrowed skills are the real deal.

If you want to learn the game the right way, take it slow. Trying to speed to the top will only result in you losing the race.

Get Ken, Isai, or Azen down to one life and then people will take you seriously.

My brother played Ken yesterday in a friendly and got him down to one stock .

 

[AdmiralViscen]

You a few of you guys are getting just a TAD too hardcore here. You would think Ice just talked bad about your mothers

Saying that Smash can be played with just A&B is like saying that basketball can be played just by walking and throwing stuff.

I wasn't taking my original post too seriously, but to see him constantly try to reassert himself as a Smash pro when he obviously had no clue what he was talking about was irksome.

 

[Zeed]

I wasn't taking my original post too seriously, but to see him constantly try to reassert himself as a Smash pro when he obviously had no clue what he was talking about was irksome.

I say we burn him at the stake.

 

[Beezy]

You a few of you guys are getting just a TAD too hardcore here. You would think Ice just talked bad about your mothers

Seriously. I didn't know that not knowing the top tournament players by name makes you a disgrace. I just heard of them last week.

I say we burn him at the stake.

You're hilarious. :lol

 

[iceDragon7]

<---- Disgrace =(

I am not worthy.

Edit - but you guys did take it seriously.

 

[Zeed]

I didn't know that not knowing the top tournament players by name makes you a disgrace.

I was half joking, and I didn't make myself clear. It wasn't just him not knowing the top players that ticked me off, but his claiming that the whole game could be played with two buttons. And after the infinite depths of his ignorance was revealed to him, he tried to damage control and still act like he's a pro. That's honestly pretty sad.

<---- Disgrace =(

Who's got the matches?

 

[CB3]

Saying that Smash can be played with just A&B is like saying that basketball can be played just by walking and throwing stuff.

:lol :lol :lol

I wasn't taking my original post too seriously, but to see him constantly try to reassert himself as a Smash pro when he obviously had no clue what he was talking about was irksome.

Still, you dont just come out like that. Using your analogy, im sure i could beat many people in basketball, but even if i beat some noob who is talking trash im not gona start yelling at him and saying he is a disgrace to basketball. Take It down a notch

Edit: This kinda shit happens in NBA/NFL threads everyday. No big deal :lol :lol :lol

 

[ant1532]

<---- Disgrace =(

I am not worthy.

Edit - but you guys did take it seriously.

:lol

lol we are assholes and we take videogames to seriously

 

[AdmiralViscen]

<---- Disgrace =(

I am not worthy.

Edit - but you guys did take it seriously.

Hey man, you're the guy who was putting in the effort to show us how skilled you were.

I think most of the people making comments about you were being facetious.