-ImaginaryInsider
Member
"It didn't feel like Spider-Man to me because they didn't throw food at him"
This thread is special level of comic fandom hell.
This thread is special level of comic fandom hell.
I actually like in the comics how after years of hard work he finally made it. His potential was underutilized all that time and he finally was able to land a good job and then go on to build his own business. They made the character grow up some. Although it does feel like his interpersonal relationships have been less of a focus.
Reading all of Ultimate Spidey right now. Man, let the kid be happy and not talk about his uncle 24/7 and shit. Haven't even watched Homecoming, but some of you make it sound like because Peter isn't in the garbage, he ain't good enough.
Go watch Spectacular! Look at that, he makes friends and shit while still trying his best. >.>
People need to read the books.
Fresh out of high school Parker landed grown woman Betty Bryant.
Tbh, we both know the MCU Spider-Man is going the Ultimate route, so we just have to be patient to get both of these.Man, he can be happy and sad too, y'all. Like, he can display more than one mode of emotional output. Ultimate Peter was more overwhelmed & brooding than happy go lucky and fuck it, I prefer it that way
Peter didn't join the Avengers until the 2000's but always, always had tons of friends in the Marvel Universe. Heck he had a monthly series for decades called "Marvel team-Up" featuring a different buddy every month. He also relied on the Fantastic Four to do a ton of things i.e. get rid of the symbiote. Heck the first issue of Amazing Spider-Man was about him trying to join them.I liked the idea that for years, Spider-Man was the guy who never joined a team. He and Daredevil were the two holdouts for a very long time.
This new interpretation is okay, but it changes Peter's motivation. Instead of being a hero because with great power comes great responsibility, now it seems like Peter is being a hero to be more like Tony Stark. Or so he can become a member of the Avengers.
So now Peter's got a super-suit. And it gives him advice and does detective work for him. The old Spider-Man invented tools to fight his enemies. He fought alone and struggled to get better without anyone helping or giving him wonderful technology.
I'm more comfortable with this Spider-Man than I was with Andrew Garfield, the supermodel Peter Parker/Spider-Man. But being so reliant on another hero definitely alters Spider-Man in some very real ways.
Really? He wears a pointy purple hat and purple underpants on top of his novelty goblin costume and the dude wearing a spider onesie is trying to shame him for carrying a messenger bag? I think someone needs to go back to quip school.
I liked the idea that for years, Spider-Man was the guy who never joined a team. He and Daredevil were the two holdouts for a very long time.
This new interpretation is okay, but it changes Peter's motivation. Instead of being a hero because with great power comes great responsibility, now it seems like Peter is being a hero to be more like Tony Stark. Or so he can become a member of the Avengers.
So now Peter's got a super-suit. And it gives him advice and does detective work for him. The old Spider-Man invented tools to fight his enemies. He fought alone and struggled to get better without anyone helping or giving him wonderful technology.
I'm more comfortable with this Spider-Man than I was with Andrew Garfield, the supermodel Peter Parker/Spider-Man. But being so reliant on another hero definitely alters Spider-Man in some very real ways.
"It didn't feel like Spider-Man to me because they didn't throw food at him"
This thread is special level of comic fandom hell.
The idea of Peter Parker as an underdog went out the window like 30ish years ago, when he married a famous actress/supermodel. Dude's in the 1% at that point. The problem is, you can't really walk that back.
so im not gonna be dropping some widespread and specific comic-knowledge bombs in here, but here my hot take anyway.
so every adaptation, interpretation and implementation of spiderman (at least in his earlier years, the CEO stuff from recent comics is kinda an outlier here) that i can think of has had pretty much one thing in common, and its how being spiderman kinda sucks for peter. like how being spiderman all the time actively makes peters life much more difficulty, but he chooses to anyway because he feels its his responsibility (holyshitits like that one line!).
and this is something that homecoming nailed repeatedly.
like thats what set spiderman apart from pretty much every other hero when he was made right? the idea that getting superpowers would actually make your life worse, that they would be more a burden that a relief, i think thats where the underdog nature of spiderman comes from.
there is definitely an argument to be made that an increased emphasis on just how shitty peters life can get by being spiderman (as seen in the seemingly deified raimi films) can carry this theme more effectively, but to argue that it has to be done this way, that not having the universe shovel another scoop of suckstobeyou in his direction every single time he puts on the mask is a blatant failure of the character just seems narrowminded.
Peter didn't join the Avengers until the 2000's but always, always had tons of friends in the Marvel Universe. Heck he had a monthly series for decades called "Marvel team-Up" featuring a different buddy every month. He also relied on the Fantastic Four to do a ton of things i.e. get rid of the symbiote. Heck the first issue of Amazing Spider-Man was about him trying to join them.
And why do people keep citing the AI suit as if he actually had the thing during the entire climax of the movie? He solved it all on his own man.
HowI have no desire to play "But What About?" You understand the examples you cited were weak. You have some grasp of Marvel history and know that Spider-Man, save for a few occurrences, was largely self-reliant.
Spider-Man was given his suit by Tony Stark well in advance of the Homecoming movie. It's just another instance of him relying on another hero. Again, the interpretation is okay, but it definitely changes Spidey's motivations and character.
A Spiderman who is just having a ball as Spiderman with no sacrifices just isn't Spiderman to me. The ideal Spiderman is definitely having fun with the suit on, but it certainly costs him in his personal life.
That said, even Homecoming has costs for Parker's personal life.
It's like people are projecting onto this character.The most you could say is he kept to himself. People have this weird idea he was some neckbeard weirdo in highschool or something
What I said was not "What About". The fact that Spider-Man has teamed up with more Marvel heroes in his history than most Avengers combined is not a what about.I have no desire to play "But What About?" You understand the examples you cited were weak. You have some grasp of Marvel history and know that Spider-Man, save for a few occurrences, was largely self-reliant.
Spider-Man was given his suit by Tony Stark well in advance of the Homecoming movie. It's just another instance of him relying on another hero. Again, the interpretation is okay, but it definitely changes Spidey's motivations and character.
People have this conception of Spider-Man that simply doesn't match up to anything and Raimi's films were a part of that.
LolRaimi's films were about as pure a distillation of the original core of the character as you're likely to find for any character in superhero movies.
Raimi's films were about as pure a distillation of the original core of the character as you're likely to find for any character in superhero movies.
I think so, in regard to the early 60s comics and throwbacks like Untold Tales of Spiderman.
Raimi's films were about as pure a distillation of the original core of the character as you're likely to find for any character in superhero movies.
What I said was not "What About". The fact that Spider-Man has teamed up with more Marvel heroes in his history than most Avengers combined is not a what about.
Spider-Man has always been someone who is willing to work with and rely on others when he needed their help, and this characteristic is even more prominent this day and age. But even then, the movie manages to show both sides of him which is why this is the truest he's been on the big screen.
That's what Raimi grew up on and that's what he wanted to recreate. It's part of why those films were so successful. They're a pure honest, retelling of the source material from a real fan.
Got invited to a party by what was seen as the most popular hot chick in school (that liked him) and was seen as the smartest dude in the debate team.. with the high iq bully that isn't anywhere near as smart as Peter and is literally their back up.. Dude is so wanted that he comes when they're about to leave and they easily accept him when they're about to leave on the bus. Dat #outcast doeNot an outcast? Ahem, "Penis Parker." Also he and his friend were so desperately uncool, even at a nerd school, they were going to fake being friends with Spider-Man to try to be popular.
"I'm going to rewrite the point of OP because I don't like what he says.. afterwards I will apply for FOX news. They will appreciate my bullshit skills""It didn't feel like Spider-Man to me because they didn't throw food at him"
This thread is special level of comic fandom hell.
I liked the idea that for years, Spider-Man was the guy who never joined a team. He and Daredevil were the two holdouts for a very long time.
This new interpretation is okay, but it changes Peter's motivation. Instead of being a hero because with great power comes great responsibility, now it seems like Peter is being a hero to be more like Tony Stark. Or so he can become a member of the Avengers.
So now Peter's got a super-suit. And it gives him advice and does detective work for him. The old Spider-Man invented tools to fight his enemies. He fought alone and struggled to get better without anyone helping or giving him wonderful technology.
I'm more comfortable with this Spider-Man than I was with Andrew Garfield, the supermodel Peter Parker/Spider-Man. But being so reliant on another hero definitely alters Spider-Man in some very real ways.
yeah, this is actually a thing i notice about the ultimate spiderman run, and its what i think made it so effective. its pretty much a constant that spiderman always wins, but peter always loses. like he comes out on top of every villain he goes up against, very rarely losing a straight up fight and always wining the rematch if he ever did lose, but damn does peters personal life go to shit despite (and often directly because of) the victories.
A real fan that doesn't have spider man jokeThat's what Raimi grew up on and that's what he wanted to recreate. It's part of why those films were so successful. They're a pure honest, retelling of the source material from a real fan.
For context, in the panels before Osborne assumes the person in Peter's body is Octavius, who for a time took over Peter's mind and became the Superior Spider-Man. And Otto didn't joke. So cracking this joke is a sign towards him that Peter is back in control.Really? He wears a pointy purple hat and purple underpants on top of his novelty goblin costume and the dude wearing a spider onesie is trying to shame him for carrying a messenger bag? I think someone needs to go back to quip school.
Rich Evans thinks Holland is the best Parker and Spider-Man ever put on film.
A real fan that doesn't have spider man joke
Rich Evans thinks Holland is the best Parker and Spider-Man ever put on film.
For context, in the panels before Osborne assumes the person in Peter's body is Octavius, who for a time took over Peter's mind and became the Superior Spider-Man. And Otto didn't joke. So cracking this joke is a sign towards him that Peter is back in control.
Its a cool moment.
Don't know what the point of this post is, but this has nothing to do with the thread. Rich Evans, as the fan of the comic books back in the day when he read them, made it clear that for him this is the best Peter Parker and Spiderman, plus arguably the best movie because it's about Spiderman dealing with petty thieves for one thing . He really loved how spidey is a massive newbie and still will be past this movie.Rich Evans thinks Holland is the best Parker and Spider-Man ever put on film.
In the early comics Peter is a raging dickhead and "professional wallflower" who blows off the other kids when they ask him to have fun. He's an outcast by choice. There was a good comic about that in the 80s where you see it from Flash's perspective and he never felt like he bullied Peter, just tried to loosen him up.
You know we run on the Highlander ruleset.I don't understand why people can't see both versions of the character (Raimi and Watts) as valid, yet prefer one over the other. They're both very different takes on the character but they're both very much Spider-Man.
I don't understand why people can't see both versions of the character (Raimi and Watts) as valid, yet prefer one over the other. They're both very different takes on the character but they're both very much Spider-Man.