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Independence Day:Resurgence|SPOILER THREAD|Today we celebrate our idenpendendneys day
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There's a big difference between a bad straight to DVD film...
and a bad 165 million dollar summer blockbuster with A list actors, directors, and writers. You hold people with more experience and paychecks to a higher standard.
Machine
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But that's not the argument here. You have people saying in threads like this and Batman v Superman that it is literally the worst movie they have ever seen. There are never qualifiers like it's the worst big budget movie they've ever seen. It's like they have only ever seen five movies in their lives or they are some kind of aesthete that never stoops to going to a movie made for the masses except for this one-time mistake in judgment.
This post is really selling me on the movie.
Fallout-NL
Member
Just saw it. I really wish they could make one of these but smarter. I mean, I've seen some dumb shit in my time, but this really took the cake. To make matters worse, they somehow feel the need to keep up this incredible pace. I don't think there was a shot or a conversation in there that lasted for longer than a second or two. I thought the movie was going to choke. Man, give it some room to breathe :-/.
Rhomega Beta
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It's a good popcorn movie, but it felt like it was over as quickly as it began. After reading Crucible, I find that the characters haven't developed at all since then. I think the worst plot point is Jasmine dying. After Jake and Dylan talk about it, I completely forgot about it. There's no real weight to it. Since Julius didn't run over the queen, his presence feels completely unnecessary. Why wasn't the ship dragged into the laser with all the water rushing into the hole?
Yeah, it's a rental at best.
Yeah, it's a rental at best.
Just got back from the movie. The first movie is definitely better but I still had fun with this one. The only major issues I have are Jasmine dying after a glorified cameo, her death having rather little weight to it, and President Whitmore sorta having a pointless death. Beyond that the pacing of the movie is interesting mostly because it never let's off the gas pedal. The original movie actually took a lot good amount of time to breathe and let it's characters grow.
Overall: Probably a C or C+ grade. (I'd give the original an A- or B+)
Oh, the lack of Will Smith was REALLY felt though
Overall: Probably a C or C+ grade. (I'd give the original an A- or B+)
Oh, the lack of Will Smith was REALLY felt though
Elitist1945
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Would Will Smith really have helped this movie much, though? The writing was just atrocious, not even in a good cheesy way either.
a few thing i believe would have improved the film
needed to cut the main pretty boy actor and just have it be about smith's son and the president's daughter
remove the deep sea salvage subplot
ditch the 'they need our molten core' motivation for the aliens--the white destiny orb is motivation enough
ax goldblum's father's subplot with the children
spend a bit more time inside the alien ship, developing their background and story
expand on the guerrilla war in africa thus giving the warlord guy some reason to be in the film
anyway, it was fun i guess. the first film is superior in my opinion
needed to cut the main pretty boy actor and just have it be about smith's son and the president's daughter
remove the deep sea salvage subplot
ditch the 'they need our molten core' motivation for the aliens--the white destiny orb is motivation enough
ax goldblum's father's subplot with the children
spend a bit more time inside the alien ship, developing their background and story
expand on the guerrilla war in africa thus giving the warlord guy some reason to be in the film
anyway, it was fun i guess. the first film is superior in my opinion
Gabriel_Logan
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Hey didn't they get a few thousand feet from the molten core??? Wouldn't that be like bad even if they didn't finish?
Rhomega Beta
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I dunno. That's why the aliens came in '96. The Harvester really came to finish the job. The Sphere was just something they found out about while they were here.
Now that I think about it, if there was one specific ship sent to drill to the core in '96, what was the point of the mothership? Why wasn't it drilling?
It was a retcon, but not a very well thought out one. In the first film they were just there to conquer worlds for their own, which seemed like enough of a reason for invasion to me. Coming back to finish the job, but with a more overwhelming force to ensure victory, only to be thwarted by the last of their ancient, nearly defeated enemy (Orbie) would have worked, IMO.
Fixed2BeBroken
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I've watched The room and Troll 2.
I'll take low budget funny bad over high budget not funny/corny/boring waste of my time ANYTIME.
Especially considering the movie that predates this is a Classic.
Fucking this.
Of course, but based on the rest of the movie, this is the least of its problems.
this is what i was thinking. the retcon just didnt work. it was only there to add a ticking timebomb element to the drama, which was apocalyptic enough without it
legacyzero
Banned
Not exactly accurate. In the lab scene, The President mentions how they're "Like locusts". They go from planet to planet, taking their resources, and moving on.
They just never went into detail about what and how. I see the retcon as valid, It's just not stable on the idea that they were after the core.
MrToughPants
Brian Burke punched my mom
Felt like I watched an over budget D-rated movie.
Shouta
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Yep. It's actually funny that most folks don't remember this from the first movie. It was very clear that they were after the resources on the planet but we simply didn't know what resources they wanted. So I don't really consider it a retcon at all.
Maybe if they wait another 20 years.
No way do you axe that subplot with the kids.
Solely because the rest of the film has NO consequences for the average person. That subplot is the only one putting across actual loss. I mean, Hillier's Mum dies and the film spends fuck all time with him - the teenage girl driving the car having a breakdown is the only time the film conveys the stakes of what's going on from a regular persons POV.
I am also an aficionado of terrible movies, I've seen stuff like Abraxas. Those are movies so terrible that you go to see them for their terribleness. No, ID42 isn't the worst movie I've ever seen. But it's annoyingly ho-hum.
With stuff like BvS or ID:R there's always one redeeming factor at least. Whether it's the opening of BvS or Brent Spiner in ID:R. The truly bad stuff (like George Anton's Romeo & Juliet) has NO redeeming features whatsoever.
The Elite
BOSS
Yeah. I have to agree with this. Someone was asking me for my impressions yesterday and one of my big gripes is that no one seems really all that afraid. That problem stems from the fact that we spend most of our time with trained military personal and scientists in a bunker who have directly dealt with this before. We see very little of how the mass destruction affects average people.
Devilgunman
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Just watched this few days ago and it's exactly what I expected it to be: a forgettable summer blockbuster. This movies needs Will Smith badly. The Jake character is awful. The movies should be fine without him. The comedy felt flat and forced. However I like the action and....for fuck sake there was a mother alien chasing down a school bus! It's so stupid it's so good.
*Sigh*
The more I let the movie sink in the less I like about it. Kind of wish Whitmore and David spent more time on screen together. Will Smith was desperately needed because the new characters/actors introduced were painfully lacking in charisma (even Little Thor). The Dylan Hiller character was so obviously written to be Will Smith's character, and Jessie Usher simply doesn't have the swag that Smith had.
The Queen bit was pretty fucking cool though. Even though I didn't like that it was basically a video game bullet sponge.
The more I let the movie sink in the less I like about it. Kind of wish Whitmore and David spent more time on screen together. Will Smith was desperately needed because the new characters/actors introduced were painfully lacking in charisma (even Little Thor). The Dylan Hiller character was so obviously written to be Will Smith's character, and Jessie Usher simply doesn't have the swag that Smith had.
The Queen bit was pretty fucking cool though. Even though I didn't like that it was basically a video game bullet sponge.
Slurpy2k20
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Yep.
I'm jealous. I wish I could have turned my brain off.
I enjoy brainless popcorn flicks - that's what I was hoping for when I went - but I thought this fell short of that. To me a good popcorn movie is one that knows what it is and rolls with it. ID: Resurgence had a level of dumb to it that kept startling me out of the action stupor I was hoping to be in. As CassSept touched on, I found myself thinking, "Wait, that's stupid," at nearly every scene. The aliens plan didn't make sense, what the humans did in response didn't make sense.
Thinking back over it, I'm realizing I didn't enjoy a single action scene in the entire film. The falling gun/rescue scene at the beginning was perfunctory and tension free. The ship landing on a good swath of earth somehow has less visual impact and none of the build up, tension or spectacle of the initial attack in ID4. When they do stage an action scene well, we get stuff like the school bus full of kids driving around in the open under the alien queen's feet. I wanted to switch my brain off, but it kept rebelling.
It made me realize the casting director was the real hero of ID4. Can you imagine that movie had with the cast of newcomers this movie had? Swap out Will Smith for Not Will Smith in Resurgence, or Bill Pullman for...whoever the President was in this. Replace Goldblum with his female counterpart in Resurgence, and Hemsworth for Randy Freaking Quaid. Those characters won us over, they had us pulling for them, they elevated material that had no business working as well as it did. (Goldblum and Pullman do it again in Resurgence, to their credit.) Randy flying off into the big alien dong in ID4 was that nexus between cheesy and sincere that this movie never landed.
I never once found myself rooting for anyone, like I was in ID4. Stuff just happened for convoluted reasons while characters I didn't care about went through the motions of an action movie with sub-par action staging. I really wish I could have shut my brain off, and I'm actually envious of those who were able to.
Yep.
The problem isn't that this movie isn't good. It's that it's so, so bad, that it's actively offensive and insulting to the audience in its sheer stupidity, nearly every single minute, and makes it so difficult to enjoy any scene, really.
I don't think a single character showed a bead of sweat on their faces. Nobody seemed to give a fuck, and jokes were ALWAYS being cracked, which contributed in the movie having zero tension. it also felt so disconnected, jumping from set piece of set piece, unlike the first which seemed like a cohesive plot and world.
The Elite
BOSS
I swear Dylan Hiller had six lines total in this movie. I just don't remember him saying or doing that much. Completely missed him. I liked Liam Hemsworth's character but there wasn't much to him either. They should have given Usher a bit more to do. The new cast was sort of sent out there to die.
With how much it seems like this movie cribs from macross and yamato etc, sure would be nice if them fighter jets could have had a humanoid form eh?
Considering they now know Queens are small-Kaiju tier, that could be a possibility if we ever see a third movie
Aggelos
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Independence Day: Resurgence | On-set with Charlotte GainsBourg 'Catherine Marceaux'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlXVj2MlnnE
Independence Day: Resurgence | On-set with Angelababy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQDEYxisxzk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlXVj2MlnnE
Independence Day: Resurgence | On-set with Angelababy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQDEYxisxzk
Insane Metal
Gold Member
I just stumbled upon this video which shows a deleted scene in ID4 that would explain the whole virus planted in the alien's craft thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsTguQvmq8k
Also the video is really cool, I'd make a thread if I could, but I'm juniored. lol
Also the video is really cool, I'd make a thread if I could, but I'm juniored. lol
Lashley
Why does he wear the mask!?
Just got back from seeing it.
That...Really wasn't good. The "jokes" were terrible, the story was nonsensical, I've no idea why they're setting up another sequel.
Not for me, and I'm the kind of guy who enjoys mindless popcorn flicks, I loved Pixels last year, for example.
That...Really wasn't good. The "jokes" were terrible, the story was nonsensical, I've no idea why they're setting up another sequel.
Not for me, and I'm the kind of guy who enjoys mindless popcorn flicks, I loved Pixels last year, for example.
Shouta
Member
Perhaps they aren't that common? As I recall, liquid cores and ice cores are a thing.
The Elite
BOSS
I felt like they explained it well enough in the film.
TheClimaxan
Member
I was expecting bad, but that was Die Hard 5 bad. Will Smith is a goddamn genius for staying far far away from this turd.
And what the fuck was up with Vivica A. Fox? What an amazingly unnecessary cameo.
This might not even be worth a Red Box rental.
And what the fuck was up with Vivica A. Fox? What an amazingly unnecessary cameo.
This might not even be worth a Red Box rental.
FaintDeftone
Junior Member
My wife took me to see this on my birthday this weekend. We both walked out basically hating it. It was strangely boring, had terrible performances, and the dialog was cringe-worthy throughout the entire thing. Just a huge disappointment.
Should have went with The Shallows instead...
Should have went with The Shallows instead...
Aggelos
Member
Independence Day: Resurgence VFX Breakdown By Scanline VFX.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfS8Cs55QrM
Independence Day Fails to Resurge at Box Office - IGN News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDdbJXo08JM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfS8Cs55QrM
Independence Day Fails to Resurge at Box Office - IGN News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDdbJXo08JM
I understand that, it's what I meant, but I wasn't clear. Take the planet for their own means they can take what they want from it. I still think the retcon of the drilling ship we never saw was poorly thought out and ultimately undermined the story.
The Elite
BOSS
Vivica A. Fox's death was meant to give her son a personal vendetta to fight for. Too bad they never doing anything with it.
It almost feels like Judd Hirsch and Vivica A. Fox's roles got reversed or something. It makes way more sense for Fox's character to be the one driving across the country with survivors considering that's what she did in the first movie, Hirsch's character just coasted with Goldblum the whole first movie.
So who was the 'gay character' mentioned in an interview back in 2013?
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/26/independence-day-2-will-feature-a-gay-character
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/26/independence-day-2-will-feature-a-gay-character
DonMigs85
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Doc Brackish
Interfectum
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It honestly doesn't get much worse than this movie. When the credits rolled I was left questioning why they resurrected a 20 year old movie for this. It brought nothing to the table and retroactively hurt an already cheesy as fuck movie.
This movie was so bad it's hard for me to pinpoint or call out the most egregious examples. It's all bad. Even Goldblum phoned this shit in.
This movie was so bad it's hard for me to pinpoint or call out the most egregious examples. It's all bad. Even Goldblum phoned this shit in.
makes sense. Man am i having the hardest of time remembering anything about this movie besides School Bus, Chinese Space Milk, final queen battle.
Interfectum
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It's totally a retcon. Why would they have an invading force land on earth if they were burning through the crust in Africa? Their strategy makes zero sense if all they were doing was burning through to the core.
The first movie and the locust reference was most likely a political statement on how us humans treat our environment and move on to the next piece of land to plunder. The aliens were just a hyper-realized version of that. They were going to set up a colony on Earth after they wiped us out, use our resources and move on.
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