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Ivy Bridge GPU to support 4Kx4K displays!


Where is your 1080P God now?

for all the people who didn't think that Next Gen Consoles would be anything over 1080P 60FPS what's your thoughts now that more & more products are going to be using 4K resolution next year?

 

[badcrumble]

Supporting 4K for regular OS GUI stuff isn't the same as supporting 4K for polygon-heavy 3D gaming.

 

[InfiniDragon]

for all the people who didn't think that Next Gen Consoles would be anything over 1080P 60FPS what's your thoughts now that more & more products are going to be using 4K resolution next year?

...That they won't be $599 US dollars, and therefore won't have this in them.

 

[DSN2K]

don't think anyone going to have 4K displays any time soon, years off till that hits mainstream.

 

[Salsa]

Oh man this will come really handy..

...

 

[les papillons sexuels]

for all the people who didn't think that Next Gen Consoles would be anything over 1080P 60FPS what's your thoughts now that more & more products are going to be using 4K resolution next year?

yeah, kinda limited by T.V resolutions there bud.

(unless there are HDHDTV's out on the market being sold en masse)

 

[sentry65]

PC monitors suck

1080p HD formats pretty much killed monitor R&D to higher resolutions

in 1997 it was all about 800x600
in 1999 it was mostly 1024x768
2001 was finally seeing 1600x1200

2003 saw 1920x1200

2005 went with mainly 1920x1080 and pretty much stayed there for the last 6 years...

 

[Chris R]

Any significance to those pixel values? And what is up with all the different 4k standards?

edit: I know what 4096 is, just seems strange to not go for 4x 1080p, instead going for 4.5whatever

 

[outunderthestars]

I don't see any reason for console makers to support a resolution that has no market presence.

 

[antonz]

This means next to nothing for gaming.

 

[AzureNightmare]

modern multi monitor video cards support resolutions in excess of 5k. This is non-news.

 

[Joe Molotov]

Oh man this will come really handy..

...

20 years from now, you'll totally regret not getting on the Ivy Bridge bandwagon.

 

[AzureNightmare]

PC monitors suck

1080p HD formats pretty much killed monitor R&D to higher resolutions

in 1997 it was all about 800x600
in 1999 it was mostly 1024x768
2001 was finally seeing 1600x1200

2003 saw 1920x1200

2005 went with mainly 1920x1080 and pretty much stayed there for the last 6 years...

30" monitors generally have a native resolution of 2560x1600

 

[eastmen]

You miss understand basics.


All this CPU/Gpu combo is doing is displaying images in 4k res . Its not actually drawing games at 4k resolutions.

1080p is 2,073,600 pixels. 4k is 9,437,184.
This is roughly a 4.5 times increase in pixels. So your only looking at needing hardware roughly 4 times faster to draw the same image at the higher resolution . Your also going to need an increase in ram to hold the frame buffer too .

I'm playing games at 5760x1080p which is 6,220,800 on my pc and some people are playing even higher resolutions like 7680x 1440 which is 11,059,200 . So people are already playing beyond the 4k resolution .


THe reason why we wont see 4k next gen consoles is because there are no displays for 4k currently and we wont see them at any kind of market penetration till some time next decade.

Next gen consoles are due 2012/13 . Even if a 4k tv was released then , it would take years for it to reach enough market penetration for it to matter.

This gen is 720p and under . 1280x720 = 921,600 . 1080p as said is 2,073,600 . So we will already see next gen consoles needing to absorb a 2.25 increase in pixels , to go to 4k they will have to absorb a 10 times increase in pixel density .

So in many key area's a next gen console would have to be 10 times more powerful just to display a simlar experiance as todays games. Its just not going to happen

 

[Xyphie]

PC monitors suck

1080p HD formats pretty much killed monitor R&D to higher resolutions

in 1997 it was all about 800x600
in 1999 it was mostly 1024x768
2001 was finally seeing 1600x1200

2003 saw 1920x1200

2005 went with mainly 1920x1080 and pretty much stayed there for the last 6 years...

The saddest part is we are starting to see ~4" phone displays with 1280x720 resolution and ppi well over 300.

Panel manufacturers really need to step up their game.

 

[les papillons sexuels]

30" monitors generally have a native resolution of 2560x1600

yeah, but the OP singled out consoles, not PC games. We know what resolutions we have for consoles and unless there's t.v's with huge resolutions coming out soon things arn't going to change.

as for PC...

Eyefinity is already doing 7680 X 3200.

 

[TheExodu5]

I'd like to see a 3840 * 2160 monitor. Ultra high resolution for when the performance is available, and perfect scaling of 1080p content.

 

[woober]

You miss understand basics.

...

I'm playing games at 5760x1080p which is 6,220,800 on my pc and some people are playing even higher resolutions like 7680x 1440 which is 11,059,200 . So people are already playing beyond the 4k resolution .

Yup. This is true with Dolphin (Wii emulator) that can run Wii games up to 4x the native res at 2560 x 2112p. Most games run without a hitch.

I'd like to see a 3840 * 2160 monitor. Ultra high resolution for when the performance is available, and perfect scaling of 1080p content.

I believe I read somewhere that companies are gearing up to manufacture "Retina Display" monitors soon.

 

[Drkirby]

Ok, now I just need a 4k Resolution Monitor. Nice to see that they are planing to build this right into the standard Intel Chips, should make companies more willing to produce consumer grade Higher Resolution monitors.

 

[Death Dealer]

2005 went with mainly 1920x1080 and pretty much stayed there for the last 6 years...

Diminishing returns. They can make the graphics prettier by doing more with the pixels they have.

 

[dragonelite]

Give superAmoled screens first with fast refresh rates.

 

[Massa]

I have a laptop with an Intel 945GM and it has a horizontal limit of 2048 pixels. That really sucks when doing presentations on an external monitor, and I suppose fixing this is about all the good this change will do.

 

[Ezduo]

I thought after a certain point this started to become difficult to even tell the difference with on all but the biggest screens.

 

[Typographenia]

I can't keep buying so many pixels! Do you realize how hard it is to fit them all in my screen?

 

[TheExodu5]

I believe I read somewhere that companies are gearing up to manufacture "Retina Display" monitors soon.

That's good to hear, but I'm also very interested in someone providing a monitor that can actually scale properly. Hopefully they allow perfect scaling if the resolution being displayed is a perfect fraction (1/2, 1/4, 1/8, etc...) of the native res. So, with my example, 1080p could be perfectly displayed on a 2160p monitor. This would help a lot when you just don't have the hardware to push the higher res. Though, of course, that's a 400% performance differential.

I thought after a certain point this started to become difficult to even tell the difference with on all but the biggest screens.

For film? Maybe. For 3D content, it's extremely easy, especially when there's a lot of aliasing. I could tell 1440p from 1080p at 4' away on a 32" screen, no problem.

 

[Forsaken82]

Considering people have only just begun to adopt 3D HDtvs, don't expect to see this take off television wise for at least another 5 years.

 

[eastmen]

Diminishing returns. They can make the graphics prettier by doing more with the pixels they have.

Pixel density really helps. The problem is 1080p is on everything from like 17inch all the way up to 27 inches. Now though 27 inch monitors are switching to 2560x1440 over 1080p.


I personaly wish 4k would have changed from 16:9 to something much better so we'd get a better view of things instead of a bigger rectangle.

 

[Plywood]

When is enough pixels, enough? Never?

 

[androvsky]

2304 is a really strange number of lines. Oh well, not exactly news, how long has it been since there's been a major GPU that didn't support 4K? I set up an nvidia 7800-class card (similar to a PS3's RSX) to output 4096x2160 to a prototype projector back when that was still a pretty nice card.

And as mentioned, ATI's been doing much larger than 4K for a year or two now.

 

[Smiles and Cries]

how many years are we away from 4k television? Broadcast standards would have to go up as well... I see nothing to get hyped about maybe in 10 years?

 

[BurntPork]

Where is your 1080P God now?

for all the people who didn't think that Next Gen Consoles would be anything over 1080P 60FPS what's your thoughts now that more & more products are going to be using 4K resolution next year?

I lol'd. That's like saying that 10MP cameras and 4K video cameras are similar.

 

[NullPointer]

Oh man this will come really handy..

...

Yeah. I'm not exactly seeing the glory here.

 

[mr stroke]

4k is coming. I can't wait for it. CES should have a shit load of 4k stuff to look forward too. 1080p sucks IMO.

Once you use an iPhone 4 with retina display or a 2560x1600 monitor you realize 1080p isn't that great. Bring on 4 and 5k please

 

[Dennis]

OP is so silly.

2560 x 1600 monitors have been available for years but guess what - few people have them because they are very expensive.

And now you think there is going to be some rush towards 4k ?

Not happening. You will be lucky if next gen console games are 1920 x 1080 as standard. I expect 1280 x 1080 games for the same reason we have sub-HD games this gen.

 

[·feist·]

...That they won't be $599 US dollars, and therefore won't have this in them.

Because consumer Ivy Bridge parts are going to cost $600, right?

I'd like to see a 3840 * 2160 monitor. Ultra high resolution for when the performance is available, and perfect scaling of 1080p content.

Close enough...

30"

4096x2160

 

[bgassassin]

Where is your 1080P God now?

for all the people who didn't think that Next Gen Consoles would be anything over 1080P 60FPS what's your thoughts now that more & more products are going to be using 4K resolution next year?

What does Intel have to do with the next consoles?

 

[eastmen]

I thought after a certain point this started to become difficult to even tell the difference with on all but the biggest screens.

Depends on how far you sit .


As you can see however the bigger the screen the further away you can sit with the benfit of higher resolutions being apparent.

1080p is fully noticable at a 120 inches all the way to 15 feet away.

With prices continuing to drop in price your going to see larger and larger tvs come on the market , vizio and other companys are already putting out 70-80 inch tvs . I expect when 4k comes out we will see 100inch + tvs.

As you can see 4k is a huge benfit on the pc. You can see 1440p on screens 20-40inches within 5 feet which is the distance most pc users will within .

 

[Warm Machine]

how many years are we away from 4k television? Broadcast standards would have to go up as well... I see nothing to get hyped about maybe in 10 years?

Yeah, we sat at a top level of 728x486 for 50 years. The infrastructure shift to move to 1080p was collossal. When we can confidently move 1080p through a cable to everyone's homes for a decade we might move on to a new resolution. The change is more than just the display, it goes from cameras for content creation through post to editing to delivery.

 

[duk]

wat does this mean for ps4

 

[eastmen]

OP is so silly.

2560 x 1600 monitors have been available for years but guess what - few people have them because they are very expensive.

And now you think there is going to be some rush towards 4k ?

Not happening. You will be lucky if next gen console games are 1920 x 1080 as standard. I expect 1280 x 1080 games for the same reason we have sub-HD games this gen.

Monitors are expensive at higher resolutions because 1080p is whats used across the board for tvs , laptops and monitors. So to put something more complex in the same production line will drive costs up even more.


I think however the market for 1080p monitors has crashed , you can get 25 inch 1080p monitors for under $200 now. So we are going to start seeing higher resolution monitors coming out so they can start charging more again.

Thats why the 27 inch monitors have a new ersolution , i've heard its moving to the 25inch format also.

 

[MickeyKnox]

Depends on how far you sit .


As you can see however the bigger the screen the further away you can sit with the benfit of higher resolutions being apparent.

1080p is fully noticable at a 120 inches all the way to 15 feet away.

With prices continuing to drop in price your going to see larger and larger tvs come on the market , vizio and other companys are already putting out 70-80 inch tvs . I expect when 4k comes out we will see 100inch + tvs.

As you can see 4k is a huge benfit on the pc. You can see 1440p on screens 20-40inches within 5 feet which is the distance most pc users will within .

That bullshit chart is close to a banable offense

 

[jambo]

Been cranking a 30" S-IPS @ 2560x1600 for a few years now, love it like fat kids love cake!

 

[Drkirby]

wat does this mean for ps4

Nothing.

 

[Emitan]

What does this have to do with gaming? Nothing.

 

[mr stroke]

OP is so silly.

2560 x 1600 monitors have been available for years but guess what - few people have them because they are very expensive.

And now you think there is going to be some rush towards 4k ?

Not happening. You will be lucky if next gen console games are 1920 x 1080 as standard. I expect 1280 x 1080 games for the same reason we have sub-HD games this gen.

In the Home theater space yes. We are already seeing 4k at trade shows. Its the manufactures next logical step to get people to buy new TV's. Once the displays are out there(2012-2013?), Blu Ray, GPU's, and consoles with eventually follow.

Just thinking about a 4k OLED PC monitor makes me wet.

 

[eastmen]

Yeah, we sat at a top level of 728x486 for 50 years. The infrastructure shift to move to 1080p was collossal. When we can confidently move 1080p through a cable to everyone's homes for a decade we might move on to a new resolution. The change is more than just the display, it goes from cameras for content creation through post to editing to delivery.

it could happen faster.


Dvd was a huge push , but pcs at the time (97ish) couldn't decode mpeg 2 , so they needed add in cards. now anything can decode 480p . With bluray you needed a decent pc to decode it , now tablets and phones do 1080p easily thanks to dedicated hardware.

Bluray was 2005. IT gave us mpeg 4.

Now there is HEVC being worked on which is supposed to provide a 25%bit rate reduction along with a 50% reduction in complexity as compared to h.264 high profile.

It should be finale lized in 2013 . so we wont see any movement till after that.

However with the way things are moving it will be quickly adapted. Everyone is doing trasnfers in 4k now anyway . So the content will be ready to go with little changes. The biggest change will most likely come with new cable boxes

 

[NullPointer]

Nothing.

Low framerate and screen tearing as always, but now you'll be able to use an optional gimmick available in the latest Sony TVs. 4D finally arrives.

 

[eastmen]

That bullshit chart is close to a banable offense

care to explain why its bullshit ?

 

[eastmen]

In the Home theater space yes. We are already seeing 4k at trade shows. Its the manufactures next logical step to get people to buy new TV's. Once the displays are out there(2012-2013?), Blu Ray, GPU's, and consoles with eventually follow.

Just thinking about a 4k OLED PC monitor makes me wet.

HDTV's came on the scene in 98ish and still in 2005 were very expensive with a small install base . Many questioned MS on why they were moving to 720p .

The install base of 4k monitors in 2012/13 will be even smaller than hdtv was in 2005. i don't see anyone supporting 4k other than as a scalable option . There just wont be an installed base to justify it until 2020 + if the tvs start to be avalible in 2012.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

You miss understand basics.


All this CPU/Gpu combo is doing is displaying images in 4k res . Its not actually drawing games at 4k resolutions.

1080p is 2,073,600 pixels. 4k is 9,437,184.
This is roughly a 4.5 times increase in pixels. So your only looking at needing hardware roughly 4 times faster to draw the same image at the higher resolution . Your also going to need an increase in ram to hold the frame buffer too .

I'm playing games at 5760x1080p which is 6,220,800 on my pc and some people are playing even higher resolutions like 7680x 1440 which is 11,059,200 . So people are already playing beyond the 4k resolution .


THe reason why we wont see 4k next gen consoles is because there are no displays for 4k currently and we wont see them at any kind of market penetration till some time next decade.

Next gen consoles are due 2012/13 . Even if a 4k tv was released then , it would take years for it to reach enough market penetration for it to matter.

This gen is 720p and under . 1280x720 = 921,600 . 1080p as said is 2,073,600 . So we will already see next gen consoles needing to absorb a 2.25 increase in pixels , to go to 4k they will have to absorb a 10 times increase in pixel density .

So in many key area's a next gen console would have to be 10 times more powerful just to display a simlar experiance as todays games. Its just not going to happen

My brain hurts