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Iran PoliGAF: Presidential Debate
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Chrono said:
well.. it looked like a man had his hand to his throat, squeezing.. either way. it shows a man dying and a little warning would have been nice.
quadriplegicjon said:
They appear to be helping him. There seems to be a particular emphasis on his neck that doesn't edge on the violent given the womans light touch over the guy with a firmer grip, or the other womans grief reaction.
Furthermore the guy previously with the hands over the face, recoils in disbelief with his hands touching his head.
In addition, attempts are being made to open his jaws which apparently were clenched shut.
Overall, the man is suffering from internal hemorrhaging and people are trying to brace his head but don't exactly seem to know what to do.
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Chrono said:
its okay. it just caught me completely off guard ..
empty vessel
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Chrono said:
Well, it took the US about 180 years from independence to democratize. The important thing is that Iranians be left to democratize themselves.
There were massive amount of blood coming out of the guy's mouth. I think the people there were trying to secure his neck and apply pressure to an obvious external wound somewhere around the neck area.quadriplegicjon said:well.. it looked like a man had his hand to his throat, squeezing.. either way. it shows a man dying and a little warning would have been nice.
I don't know. The way you democrats talk about global warming, healthcare, gun ownership, car emissions, environmental protections, wage protections, union membership, etc etc you could fooled me about bad America is.speculawyer said:
He sounds like a college liberal at any political rally in 2008.:lol . Also lol at political parties bit as well.
I hope this ends soon.
Stoney Mason
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avatar299 said:
Only you could derail and go off topic with such a stupid post...
speculawyer
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1) I'm not a Democrat.avatar299 said:
2) You seem to be an authoritarian like Amedinijhad . . . if someone talks about trying to address an issue then they are just complainers and not patriotic people actually trying to improve their country.
Stoney Mason
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avatar299 said:
Your "joke" was as funny as An American Carol. Use better source material.
And as far as ignore I don't really remember ever "threatening" you with an ignore. I have one person on my ignore list because he is a nutbag. You're constantly foolish but not a nutbag.
1.:lolspeculawyer said:
2.:lol :lol
i'm just saying you can't talk about how awful a country is and how bad things have gotten and how terrible the leadership is, etc etc for the past 8, 16 or 32 years, than get offended when someone else says it.
Also I like how complaining makes you patriotic. I never knew it was so easy.
Stoney Mason
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avatar299 said:
Complaining can indeed be a patriotic act. As can action. As always it depends on the situation, the context, and the actual complaints. The world isn't black and white.
Stoney Mason
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avatar299 said:
You need a joke writer book. Sigh...
Conservatives just aren't funny. It's their achilles heel.
The Pirate Bay and Anonymous (whyweprotest) are teaming up to offer a reliable and secure way of communication for the Iranian people.
Take a look : http://iran.whyweprotest.net/ and http://thepiratebay.org/
Take a look : http://iran.whyweprotest.net/ and http://thepiratebay.org/
My achilles heel is my weakness for asian women and refusal to follow bullshit traffic laws like not talking on a cellphone. I'll text whomever I want wherever i want, thank you very much.Stoney Mason said:
Also I am a very funny guy. I am the green lantern of funny. Being called unfunny by a black atheist, a minuscule group that everyone knows is void of all feelings just confirms my humor ability.
Deadly Monk
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empty vessel said:
This man is absolutely correct. All of 20-30 something relatives there are just too damn afraid to do much right now though. I told them every single person their age should just "storm the castle" so to speak. Easier said than done. It has to be done one day and should be done by them. My logic was, for every revolutionary guard, 5-6 students to take them down. Sounds cold, I know, but a few of them have wanted to do this but never actually say it out loud. I'm just not sure how outnumbered the younger generation is..
^I think the regime will just die out honestly. It'll take a long time, but what can you do.
What's frightning is the prospect of technology enhancing the life spans of the mullahs. Really, this stuff is coming. Khamenie could still be ruling well into his nineties and the ones younger than him (the ahmadinejad generation) even higher - 100, 120, etc...It really could happen. :lol
Now it's not just people dying that changes a society, new generations come into the picture. However, this is also a problem in Iran. One of the only good policies pursued by the mullah regime is family planning and Iran's fertility rate I think is the record for fastest drop or something - it's now negative. And before anybody gets scared, know that it has dropped everywhere - including the rural and poor areas where people are most religious. Still, it's not like Iranians have stopped making babies. Also, many want to leave and most of those are liberal and educated ones, this helps the mullahs. To what degree this changes things though I don't know.
What's frightning is the prospect of technology enhancing the life spans of the mullahs. Really, this stuff is coming. Khamenie could still be ruling well into his nineties and the ones younger than him (the ahmadinejad generation) even higher - 100, 120, etc...It really could happen. :lol
Now it's not just people dying that changes a society, new generations come into the picture. However, this is also a problem in Iran. One of the only good policies pursued by the mullah regime is family planning and Iran's fertility rate I think is the record for fastest drop or something - it's now negative. And before anybody gets scared, know that it has dropped everywhere - including the rural and poor areas where people are most religious. Still, it's not like Iranians have stopped making babies. Also, many want to leave and most of those are liberal and educated ones, this helps the mullahs. To what degree this changes things though I don't know.
speculawyer
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avatar299 said:
Due to you inability to refute my point, I accept your surrender.
empty vessel said:
Very True
I actually came to the forum to complain about CNN's coverage. They are risking their credibility showing amateur videos which they themselves said are confirmed. During the Gaza conflict CNN would show a couple pictures inside Gaza but then claim they can't confirm anything going on inside Gaza. Aljazeera was smack dab in the middle of Gaza. CNN could have borrowed a couple of videos from them. CNN chooses to put its credibility depending on who they rooting for.
During their piece they even said this what the Iranian government doesn't want you to see.
I never heard them say anything like about Israel's military censorship.
speculawyer
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Naghshe Jahan Square, Iran, June 16 2009.
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What i think that is one of the most inspiring things about whats going on.. is the fact that its relatively peaceful on the part of the protesters. Most of the violence that ive read about has been from the people in power. Like others have said, its not impossible that Ahmadinejad could have won.. but thats why things like elections need to be as open and transparent as possible, to put to rest any doubt of deceit so it does not follow the next person to take office. Heavy handed tactics and violence betrays themselves even if they did win.
ill be honest, i do not know much about current Iranian politics. That being said the people taking place in these demonstrations have my support, for whatever thats worth.
ill be honest, i do not know much about current Iranian politics. That being said the people taking place in these demonstrations have my support, for whatever thats worth.
Cold-Steel
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GMB said:
One can only hope they can help provide a solution to this crisis.
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speculawyer said:
Just to give some context that this is not just a movement isolated to Tehran, that's a different city in Iran, Isfahan, not Tehran.
GMB said:
Holy fucking shit. I hope its true. Now Rafsanjani is not the best person (has made a huge motherfucking fortune since the revolution) but he knows what has to be done in order to keep power. He is very savvy. IF he is actually doing this, then it has to be a clear sign of how bad things have become for the current regime. And from what I have heard on persian television, he has always been in favor of a not too overly religious state (probably because he has no faith left). So we will see.
O please o please do something big Rafsanjani. Iran needs it!
I never thought I would say something like that *sigh*. Its crazy.
C- Warrior
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Chrono said:
No. I do rounds at a hospital. So I see stab wounds, failed suicides, skull fractures all the time.
The man appeared to drown in his own blood. There wasn't sign of exterior wounds so I'd imagine internal bleeding altered the pressure in his lungs - essentially filling the lungs and windpipe with blood.
Valkyr Junkie
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Software? I thought all voting/counting in Iran was done by hand?
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speculawyer said:
Naghshe Jahan Square, Iran, June 16 2009.
Carnival Time!!!!
~Devil Trigger~
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Solidarity. Via reader Dean, Iranian soccer players are wearing green wrist bands in their World Cup Qualifier match on Wednesday versus South Korea:
JonathanEx
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Mysteriously, ordered to take them off during half time. Also interesting:
Was the pro-Ahmadinejad rally Photosphopped to make it look larger?
Was the pro-Ahmadinejad rally Photosphopped to make it look larger?
exarkun said:
I really hate Rafsanjani. He's not as moderate as he seems because he always flip flops on his views, basically he changes his views based on whatever it is that can make him the most money.
He's also the most corrupt person in Iranian politics, he's made his fortunes at the expense of the poor people of Iran, and he was a terrible president too with inflation reaching over 45% during his presidency.
So to see Rafsanjani do something like this makes me suspicious that he's doing it only for his own good, not the good of the nation.
speculawyer
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~Devil Trigger~ said:
That is cool. Polite, discrete . . . but strong signal they want reforms.
speculawyer
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Well, if he is just part of the move to address the Mullahs, perhaps the other guys can keep on eye on him. Groups of people and transparency are the best thing to reduce corruption.GSG Flash said:
Wow I just read that Mousavi is calling for a mourning demonstration for the 'martyred.'
Heh, this is exactly what happened during the revolution. The Shah's police would kill one or two, and out came thousands mourning them. More were shot dead, more came out mourning them.
I don't think this is going to turn into another revolution, but things aren't dying down like I expected...
Heh, this is exactly what happened during the revolution. The Shah's police would kill one or two, and out came thousands mourning them. More were shot dead, more came out mourning them.
I don't think this is going to turn into another revolution, but things aren't dying down like I expected...
~Devil Trigger~
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Chrono said:
was'nt Mousavi one of the "Patriots" if you will, of the Islamic Revolution?
~Devil Trigger~ said:
Yeah. Like I posted earlier, the guy presided over the mass executions of opponents, a 'purge' if you will, during his stint as PM.
You can bet a lot of those cheering for him want a secular democracy and are much more liberal than his platform, but how many of his supporters are like that we don't know.
That's why I thought that picture of the old Iranian man with a Che tattoo in the demonstrations was funny. The guy probably was out on the streets shouting death to the shah and then saw this comrades fall one by one as khomeini consolidated power, and now he's out again protesting for the man that was one of khomeini's favorites. :lol
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