It's odd, the movie looks older than it is. Like it came out in the 90s or something.
I did not like how completely incompetent Tony Stark became in the movie. Why does he give his home address to a terrorist group? Why does Tony Stark have hundreds of extremely fragile suits lying around? In Avengers his suit withstood Thor's hammer and now one falls apart after being hit by a truck?
Also, the villian and his mooks were awful. I'm not a comic reader and I was actually kind of glad they didn't go with the Chinese criminal stereotype baddie, but Killian was not a good replacement.
In the year since New York Tony has dealt with his PTSD in the same way he dealt with his Afghanistan PTSD: he makes suits. But while the original Iron Man armors were generalized protection systems, post-New York Tony starts making individual suits for any possible problem that could come his way. He becomes obsessive, looking at the world as a series of dangers from which he must protect himself. The suits are a symptom of that obsession, a wall that he’s putting between himself and every single part of life.
Yup. What he really get banned for?
I think it didn't live up to the trailers. I mean, after this trailer, how more hype can one get?
Still, even though it wasn't as good as Iron Man 1, I enjoyed it (and found it better than IM 2)
the movie was shit
the worst in MCU, literally everything(except maybe Tony's PTSD) was handled HORRIBLE bad; the fight scenes, Mandarin reveal/twist, the Mandarin himself, Pepper, the ending.
By far the most useless movie in the overall MCU plot.
You have to buy Thor 2 to get the full story.Don't buy Thor 2
People complain when the movies only exist to promote the next movie. Now when you basically have a stand alone movie people complain about that too.
Im probably one of the only people who likes Ironman 2 and Captain America The First Avenger
First Avenger rules, found myself liking it more than The Winter Soldier on a recent rewatch.
People complain when the movies only exist to promote the next movie. Now when you basically have a stand alone movie people complain about that too.
YOU. I like you.Im probably one of the only people who likes Ironman 2 and Captain America The First Avenger
The New York's world fair, Tony's dad being basically Walt Disney, Richard Sherman composing Make Way to the Future Today to sound like a Walt Disney ride...
And then the innocent comic adventure, and 1940's americana vibe of Captain America, with the musical number and all that jazz...
I cant hate those movies, I simply can. I love those themes too much.
I never understand this criticism.
The Mandarin that was teased in the trailers, the one you want as described in your post, his ideology, his "threats", were fucking BORING and represented the stale terrorist posturing that embodies practically all theatrical villainy in action movies.
"Heroes, there are no such thing."
"Do you want an empty life, or a meaningful death."
Some dumb phiilosophically vapid shit about fortune cookies.
Give me a break. I'd take what we got over that any day, especially considering that the Mandarin character from the comics, he of eastern philosophy and magic rings, was never interesting to begin with.
I think a lot of people are so wrapped up in the "betrayal" they feel when IM3 pulled the rug from under them that they overlook what the film tried to do with the Mandarin, or what Killian tried to do with the Mandarin.
Killian IS the Mandarin. Yeah, that guy with the dragon tattoos that you're deriding, he's the Mandarin. Or at least, he based parts of his persona on a mythical figure by that name he heard of somewhere along the way to building AIM and developing better tech than Tony. The fake Mandarin? All that grandstanding and those threatening soundbites? Manufactured by Killian to be the kind of threatening presence that the American public would rally against, all the while the real threat operated well out of public focus. His was an entirely new form of terrorism, one that completely subverts expectations. The comic Mandarin is said to be an industrial genius and master tactician, is Killian not that? Strip the Mandarin of his Asian heritage and nobility, what do you get?
So maybe you can complain that it turns out that the villain of this Iron Man movie is another business man in a suit. Well, that's not really a problem when you look at the greater picture. The 3 prominent villains of the Iron Man franchise Obadiah Stane, Justin Hammer, both represent the worst aspects of who Tony was before fate and metal shrapnel forced him off that path -- unscrupulous weapons dealer, immoral hack inventor, respectively.
Killian is even closer to Tony as a character. A twisted mirror image of Tony. He is a man who, by his own ingenuity and willpower, overcame a disability to create an empire like Tony's and managed to beat Tony (albeit temporarily) by doing the one thing that no one thought was possible: he created tech that was better, even more cutting edge than Tony's. It's a tech that Killian relies on, like a crutch. Tony had Iron Man, Killian had Extremis. And the only way Tony could beat Killian was to believe that he was more than his tech, that he, Tony Stark the person, was Iron Man.
That's way more interesting than a vague terrorist who may or may not have any magic powers.
I never understand this criticism.
The Mandarin that was teased in the trailers, the one you want as described in your post, his ideology, his "threats", were fucking BORING and represented the stale terrorist posturing that embodies practically all theatrical villainy in action movies.
"Heroes, there are no such thing."
"Do you want an empty life, or a meaningful death."
Some dumb phiilosophically vapid shit about fortune cookies.
Give me a break. I'd take what we got over that any day, especially considering that the Mandarin character from the comics, he of eastern philosophy and magic rings, was never interesting to begin with.
I think a lot of people are so wrapped up in the "betrayal" they feel when IM3 pulled the rug from under them that they overlook what the film tried to do with the Mandarin, or what Killian tried to do with the Mandarin.
Killian IS the Mandarin. Yeah, that guy with the dragon tattoos that you're deriding, he's the Mandarin. Or at least, he based parts of his persona on a mythical figure by that name he heard of somewhere along the way to building AIM and developing better tech than Tony. The fake Mandarin? All that grandstanding and those threatening soundbites? Manufactured by Killian to be the kind of threatening presence that the American public would rally against, all the while the real threat operated well out of public focus. His was an entirely new form of terrorism, one that completely subverts expectations. The comic Mandarin is said to be an industrial genius and master tactician, is Killian not that? Strip the Mandarin of his Asian heritage and nobility, what do you get?
So maybe you can complain that it turns out that the villain of this Iron Man movie is another business man in a suit. Well, that's not really a problem when you look at the greater picture. The 3 prominent villains of the Iron Man franchise Obadiah Stane, Justin Hammer, both represent the worst aspects of who Tony was before fate and metal shrapnel forced him off that path -- unscrupulous weapons dealer, immoral hack inventor, respectively.
Killian is even closer to Tony as a character. A twisted mirror image of Tony. He is a man who, by his own ingenuity and willpower, overcame a disability to create an empire like Tony's and managed to beat Tony (albeit temporarily) by doing the one thing that no one thought was possible: he created tech that was better, even more cutting edge than Tony's. It's a tech that Killian relies on, like a crutch. Tony had Iron Man, Killian had Extremis. And the only way Tony could beat Killian was to believe that he was more than his tech, that he, Tony Stark the person, was Iron Man.
That's way more interesting than a vague terrorist who may or may not have any magic powers.
I never understand this criticism.
The Mandarin that was teased in the trailers, the one you want as described in your post, his ideology, his "threats", were fucking BORING and represented the stale terrorist posturing that embodies practically all theatrical villainy in action movies.
"Heroes, there are no such thing."
"Do you want an empty life, or a meaningful death."
Some dumb phiilosophically vapid shit about fortune cookies.
Give me a break. I'd take what we got over that any day, especially considering that the Mandarin character from the comics, he of eastern philosophy and magic rings, was never interesting to begin with.
I think a lot of people are so wrapped up in the "betrayal" they feel when IM3 pulled the rug from under them that they overlook what the film tried to do with the Mandarin, or what Killian tried to do with the Mandarin.
Killian IS the Mandarin. Yeah, that guy with the dragon tattoos that you're deriding, he's the Mandarin. Or at least, he based parts of his persona on a mythical figure by that name he heard of somewhere along the way to building AIM and developing better tech than Tony. The fake Mandarin? All that grandstanding and those threatening soundbites? Manufactured by Killian to be the kind of threatening presence that the American public would rally against, all the while the real threat operated well out of public focus. His was an entirely new form of terrorism, one that completely subverts expectations. The comic Mandarin is said to be an industrial genius and master tactician, is Killian not that? Strip the Mandarin of his Asian heritage and nobility, what do you get?
So maybe you can complain that it turns out that the villain of this Iron Man movie is another business man in a suit. Well, that's not really a problem when you look at the greater picture. The 3 prominent villains of the Iron Man franchise Obadiah Stane, Justin Hammer, both represent the worst aspects of who Tony was before fate and metal shrapnel forced him off that path -- unscrupulous weapons dealer, immoral hack inventor, respectively.
Killian is even closer to Tony as a character. A twisted mirror image of Tony. He is a man who, by his own ingenuity and willpower, overcame a disability to create an empire like Tony's and managed to beat Tony (albeit temporarily) by doing the one thing that no one thought was possible: he created tech that was better, even more cutting edge than Tony's. It's a tech that Killian relies on, like a crutch. Tony had Iron Man, Killian had Extremis. And the only way Tony could beat Killian was to believe that he was more than his tech, that he, Tony Stark the person, was Iron Man.
That's way more interesting than a vague terrorist who may or may not have any magic powers.
So basically, it's fine to dismiss the total mishandling of the character because you never cared for him to begin with, and a twisted mirror-image of the protagonist with a dragon tattoo is more interesting than Sir Ben Kingsley with alien power rings and Fin Fang Foom?
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To answer your questions.
Yes.
And I say this as a comic book reader.
stop acting like the mandarin was some super iconic villain like the joker, he's D tier at best.
Well, I say this as a comic book reader
I'm not saying the Mandarin is as iconic as the Joker, but Killian was still a much less engaging villain, and the movie lost most of it's momentum once he was revealed to be the mastermind. If he was actually interesting, the twist wouldn't be such a point of contention, and people would focus on all the other terrible shit in the movie.
I disagree. A lot of what I see comes down to a particular emotional reaction to how the character they thought they were getting in The Mandarin was revealed to be completely unlike the comics
Just watched it again because of this thread. It is much better the second time around when you know what's going to happen. Whoever said this was a 90s action movie starring Tony Stark is absolutely correct. Iron man 1 is better, but 3 is fun, funny and much better than a lot of people give it credit for.
Im probably one of the only people who likes Ironman 2 and Captain America The First Avenger
You are not wrong. But even IM1 wasn't perfect, the final battle was a bit mediocre.
First Avenger rules, found myself liking it more than The Winter Soldier on a recent rewatch.
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People don't like First Avenger? It's my favorite of all the Marvel films so far - so much damn charm.
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