Relax, you can make another advertising thread the other day and try again. Just remember that this forum is basically an echo chamber for your folk right now so maybe it's time to go wider, like other social media? Remember, you make a difference!Jesus christ there's a lot of fragile personalities about.
You made a crap point. I told you why it's a crap point.
If you don't like it, make better arguments than "I don't like Gamepass because I value the ability to do what I want with my game".
A service costing about 10$/month where you can either download or stream games not tell me what's the difference.
Psnow has about 8 to 900 titles half of which are downloadable or streamable on ps4 the rest need to be streamed (works on PC too).
Gamepass has around 200 games that will be able to be streamed once xcloud is launched globally (and works on pc too).
Besides Ms first party on day one what is the difference ? Heavy marketing push ?
I guess it depends on how much of a backlog you have. If it's huge like mine, there's no much point in paying for a subscription that increases it even more without having the time to play them.
"Hey, a Gamepass thread. You know What'd make everyone see how cool I am? If I go in there and shit on it, and then get really delicate because Im not sharp enough to come up with an actual criticism of the service."Relax, you can make another advertising thread the other day and try again. Just remember that this forum is basically an echo chamber for your folk right now so maybe it's time to go wider, like other social media? Remember, you make a difference!
not really but it's just to nitpickHe does not own any of those games. The guy on the right owns his game.
Oh, probably. I always forget about All Access. We'll see.I think this should be easy thanks to All Access.
I'm doing fine. How are you? Maybe another insult my way?"Hey, a Gamepass thread. You know What'd make everyone see how cool I am? If I go in there and shit on it, and then get really delicate because Im not sharp enough to come up with an actual criticism of the service."
It's getting boring.
Yeah, no. You don't get to accuse someone else of shilling and then pretend like you're being unfairly attacked.I'm doing fine. How are you? Maybe another insult my way?
Don't forget to report me! Your coworker Billy will gladly ban me again. It's an efficient organisation.Yeah, no. You don't get to accuse someone else of shilling and then pretend like you're being unfairly attacked.
It's rental service.
Except when the music license runs out, see Forza Horizon 3.Besides, XGS games will never leave the service
It kinda is, but much better! You don't have to go return games at a specific time and don't have to bother with too late fees and stuff like that. Meanwhile you keep acces to all first party games as long as you are subscribed and get to play all new first party releases without any additional fees.
I would rather pay more for better quality games than what's offered there, but glad that some people like it.
Better is very objective. /s
Totally true, but you can't say AAA franchises aren't getting nerfed budgets to fit the gamepass model. Halo Infinite cough cough.
So yeah better games...
If you think video streaming is the same as remote processing of game data, you are making a big mistake.Here’s what I know, Disney went from no streaming to 100 million subscribers in a couple of months.
Good on MS for fronting the money though.
You must remember that this is like the whole industry. "Straight to them" is every publisher that has games on gamepass that gets money for their game. It's not that great especially if it kills sales.Currently game pass has around 15 million subs paying something around $10 a month. So Xbox is bringing in something like $150mil a month. In this next generation let's say they double the subs to 30mil. That's $300 million a month. It's all digital and all funds currently flow straight to them.
Maybe that's why some people has the need to say every single day: "Have you heard about gamepass?" Stay preaching.
I think it is unquestionably making a loss right now. And let's not forget just how many people converted their Gold into GP for up to 3 years for just $1. And you can still do that today if you haven't done so already.They never said it was running at a loss. They said it’s not a big money maker right now. There is a big difference.
They are reinvesting profits right now to get more games, until it can become self sustaining as the OP suggested.
Yep. Gamepass is the reverse of the game console buisness model.You must remember that this is like the whole industry. "Straight to them" is every publisher that has games on gamepass that gets money for their game. It's not that great especially if it kills sales.
You don't get to decide something is already a massive success, and then pretend it is already reality. That was what Stadia did, and they paid the price.With Gamepass and xcloud I can see not owning any gaming only hardware ever again (save a controller) by end of this coming gen.
With the turn to digital this current gen, not a huge leap to think that streaming will be the standard not to far in the future.
Physcial media buffs, your time is coming to an end.
150m then substrac off operating costs(servers, salaries, data, etc)
Then marketing budget
Then other costs.
And then they have to divide the rest for +100 games to pay devs/owners.
I could imagine that one launch AAA title costs them full months or more of profits.
Gamepass is kind of a scam/trick to get something you dont need, it sells the image that you need it.
Like "hey, one bag of candy is 2€, but why dont you subscripe and get 200 bags/year for 10€/month? You save hundreds?" Deals
On paper it looks that you get lot with little, but in reality most will pay hundreds in a gen and play only 1-5% of what they offer. And in the end you just needed the one bag
GP ultimate is 13€/month = 155€ year. That is fucking expensive as subscription service to many.
When looking at statistics, doesnt average gamer buy only like 4-6games/gen?
Less than 1/year.
So having hundreds for cheap goes waste if they dont play more than few games year or even month, then it is just cheaper to buy games from sales.
Could be cultural thing, but here nobody I know is willing to pay for more than 1 video service or similar.
Like netflix only, prime only etc. Multiple are seen as being stupid consumer. And it includes other services too, so people dont want to have multiple subs of any kind, unless they really like it or need it
And people with ps+ pay for one sub, no room for more.
If costs vs what you get would not matter then people would not get the cheap 9.90€/month 100/10mbps internet connection as it is fast enough, they would get the 29-39€ 1000mbps connection.
Im really sceptical that it fucks ups games by lower quality, but we will see in 3-4 years I guess
You don't get to decide something is already a massive success, and then pretend it is already reality. That was what Stadia did, and they paid the price.
Game streaming is both an inferior gaming experience for the user, and a more costly service for the provider. The only justification for the provider to do it is the dream of one day forcing a price increase when there was no alternative. But you forget one thing; that it requires the alternative to be shut down. And you haven't planned how to do that part.
Usually you do it by simply providing a superior service. But in this case streaming is not cheaper, it is not more powerful, and it is not more convenient. You can't plan for what to do with the success of Gamepass, before you actually GET that success first. you are better off buying lottery tickets.
Digital games is already a massive success. It is on PC for a long time. Game streaming, especially a rental service? Less so. And as i said, there is a good reason for that. Game streaming is not video streaming, and just because you want them to be equivalent doesn't make it so. Have a nice day, we won't have long to see where Gamepass is headed.1st off I didn’t decide anything, I stated my opinion.
Your post echos ones at the launch of the PS4 and Xbox in reference to Digital games.
Physical media is all but obsolete at this point anyways. Streaming will just dig the grave deeper.
Digital games is already a massive success. It is on PC for a long time. Game streaming, especially a rental service? Less so. And as i said, there is a good reason for that. Game streaming is not video streaming, and just because you want them to be equivalent doesn't make it so. Have a nice day, we won't have long to see where Gamepass is headed.
How does Gamepass differ from PlayStation Plus? Honest Question...
For what I can see, Gamepass is very similar except that you don't need to "buy" the games on the month they're free (if you've been on PlayStation Plus for a few years, you've probably accumulated a ton of games whereas if you jump in on Gamepass now you will have all the older games that were released previously), games can be taken off Gamepass (go in rotation) and MS always release their 1st party titles on the service. Anything else? Is there something I'm missing..?
Could you run those numbers by us? Because I think it actually makes senseIt’s great for us as customers but it will never be profitable. The numbers make no sense. First thing I’ll do when I get a Series X will be signing up for GP.
How long will it take to recoup the 7.5 billion purchase of Bethesda when their consoles sell at a loss, they won’t move 1st party software at full price because people will play for a small amount via gamepass, millions have gamed the system to get three years of game pass for a pittance, and they have to subsidise 3rd party games on the platform.Could you run those numbers by us? Because I think it actually makes sense
How long will it take to recoup the 7.5 billion purchase of Bethesda when their consoles sell at a loss, they won’t move 1st party software at full price because people will play for a small amount via gamepass, millions have gamed the system to get three years of game pass for a pittance, and they have to subsidise 3rd party games on the platform.
The latency is the only thing holding back game streaming, when that obstacle is overcome the sky is the limit.
Giants in this field are working on it, some one will crack it.
You don't know how much Game Pass is currently generating in revenue. It's somewhere between 15 million - 8.1 billion over 3 years time.How long will it take to recoup the 7.5 billion purchase of Bethesda when their consoles sell at a loss, they won’t move 1st party software at full price because people will play for a small amount via gamepass, millions have gamed the system to get three years of game pass for a pittance, and they have to subsidise 3rd party games on the platform.